Says he will most likely stay at UM.
"A year under my belt is going to help me a lot," Robinson said. "I think I can do some special things next year."
Says he will most likely stay at UM.
"A year under my belt is going to help me a lot," Robinson said. "I think I can do some special things next year."
No way he makes the jump now.
I know it is a 99% probability he's staying, but i'm still really gunshy after the Morris/Manny/Warren departures.
to have a bad relationship w/ the coaches. Dude was poison in the lockerroom as far as I could tell. Not to knock the guy, I loved watching him play and he did some great things for M, but just watching his demeanor with B and his teammates you could tell he thought he was better than everyone else (rightly so, dude was good). I also seem to recall an incident of him elbowing Stu in practice one time. Also the benching against Purdue (?).
Anyway, point is we don't have to worry about any of that with DRob. I'm not concerned.
I'm relieved to know you're taking a more measured approach this time. We can't have you fucking this one up, too.
But he still has to improve quite a bit if he wants to make it in the NFL. If not improve, he at least has to prove quite a bit. I think he already knows though so I'm thinking he's seeing what the NFL wants him to improve on.
I'm not sure I agree with this. Since he's not going to play QB in the NFL anyway, there's nothing he's going to do over the next year to make himself better for the NFL, other than maybe put on 5lbs.
If he stays, it's much more about Michigan than it is about him raising his NFL stock, I think.
Say what you will about his skill set, but he is our best qb without a doubt, and from what I saw, it's by a significant margin.
I'm all about helping a kid get to the league, but not at the expense of the team... And I think Denard would agree.
Put him behind centre and hunt. If he lines up anywhere else, it won't be often. 3-4 times in a game occasionally to keep defenses honest.
He can go to the combine and light up the stop watches and help his draft stock that way.
Meant to reply to the guy above you
Leaving the office at 8 will drop you iq to the single digits, which I just proved.
Keep calm and move along. Nothin to see here.
winning the Heisman will increase his stock?
was a reply to WolvinLA2 and if Denard continues to do next year what he did the last 5 games of this season he should be a frontrunner for the Heisman. With a Heisman under his belt you can't tell me that won't have the potential to push him into earlier rounds in the draft.
he's going to make the NFL the question is where. as a quarterback I totally agree with you, but he's such a freak athlete he'll make the league. my guess is he's getting the nfl evaluation now to see just how far off he is from being nfl qb material. that way he will have realistic expectations next year when he gets drafted.
...here is the button for public use. I presume he stays - if he wants to be a QB in the NFL, he likely should anyway.
Dang I just clicked on this and nothing happened.
Precisely, my friend.
no rainbows and unicorns? especially from you. Me sad.
OH GOD, make it stop!
Damn you and your interwebs sorcery!
This button makes me panic more than Denard's NFL Evaluation.
Fun Fact: Clicking on the stickers also spawns more stickers!
now my eyes are bleeding, please make it stop!
Honestly, I never actually considered him a candidate to leave early, but perhaps that was a mistake?
At what position?...........If it's QB, we'll be seeing him in the Maize and Blue next year 100%
Good god guys, knowing what we know about DRob there is 0% chance he goes pro. He loves this university, loves his coaches, but most importantly he loves his teammates. They were the reason he didn't bail when RR left (he said something about them having gone through so much together, and that he couldn't leave them), there is no chance in hell he leaves now.
We all know he wants to be a QB at the next level, I have every reason to believe that he is just doing this to impress scouts/so they can tell him what he needs to work on.
I don't understand the 'good god guys' or the panic buttons. I havent see one post where anyone has panicked. I think everyone here understands that DRob isn't ready for the NFL if he plans to play QB. Besides, if he does decide to go pro, I wish him well and get ready to watch Gardner run the offense. It hapens to every team and there is nothing we can do about it.
I hate my life!
Scouts should be able to give him specific things to work on. Probably good for him to hear what he needs to do in order to maximize his stock. I don't think he's ready to be an NFL QB.
that teams would be planning on drafting him as a QB.
That doesn't seem like a good assumption.
didn't we hear this about Morris to though?
Yes we did along with "no way he goes they are about to have a lockout"
Who is "though?" The long awaited Manitoba NBA franchise?
Darius was looked at as a late first round pick. If Denard left it would be comparable to Jevan Sneed, a very talented QB who entered the draft at the wrong time and payed for it.
he'll be evaluated as a QB? Pat White was drafted in the middle of the second round as an athlete despite not being as explosive as Denard is. I think (and devoutly hope) Denard comes back, but I wouldn't be shocked if some team were willing to grab him as an athlete at the end of the first or top of the second.
and Manny Harris...and Donovan Warren. They were all players who most felt that they weren't good enough to go pro, yet they did anyways after their evaluation. I'd like to say there's no way Denard gets enough positive feedback and that he'll leave early, however, my heart's been broken like this 3 too many times...
For the NFL at this point in time. He just wants to see where he stacks up against his peers and what he needs to improve on
is too fast for the NFL
Everybody on this thread is getting negged, simply because everyone who clicks on this thread is in a shitty mood...
I hate that, having to go back and upvote whole threads because 1 or 2 guys are grumpy.
I'm not worried about him leaving, but my question is- say he gets an eval that says "you are a slot receiver and if we see you in that position next year (at least some plays) it will really help your evaluation/draft stock." Is he used more in a receiving role next year (rather than just end arounds)?
I think no, but it is interesting to ponder whether he might ask for more (as in some) receiving plays to help his stock.
Personally, I see him as more of a RB in the NFL than a receiver, and I think there has been, and will continue to be, plenty of tape on him carrying the rock. He's fast and has great field vision. He's not as big as a typical NFL running back, but he's as big as Chris Johnson, and that has worked out pretty well.
That is a good point. I actually see him as a hybrid. Someone like Darren Sproles or CJ Spiller - technically a RB, but also somebody who is shifted out to the slot to create mismatches or thrown to on screen passes, because you want to get the ball in their hands. The NFL will have no tape of Denard catching the ball (not that a lack of tape has ever been a hangup) and he may be told that having tape is good.
Yeah, I was thinking Darren Sproles as well. He might never the guy at RB, but he'll get reps and he'll make an impact. He might also return kicks like both of the guys you mentioned.
I doubt he'll get much tape catching balls, they might just need to go on faith on that one, but they can have him run routes at the combine and at his pro day.
I'm looking forward to his Heisman season next year.
...for to see this smile in NYC would bring world peace, in my mind. Who would have thought it? Denard gets the Heisman, civilization makes a gigantic leap forward.
I mean, does Denard look like a guy who is gonna leave early?
I know that we've lost a couple guys to the pros before, but this is a guy who passionately spoke in front of his teammates to tell them he was staying. The kid loves his teammates, he loves his coaches, and he loves Michigan. Denard isn't going anywhere. He's going to see what he needs to work on, and he's going to be a much better player next year.
Denard is fine.
I have no idea if he has any ability for or want to coach, but he is a kid you want around your team. His optimism, passion, and love of the game and Michigan are evident every time you see him or hear him speak. He is the ideal person to represent our program and it is truly a shame that he only has a year left. He is truly the opposite of a team cancer.
Denard, after a long, lucrative, and very successful career in the NFL, come back. Michigan will create a new position for you, "Team Smiler."
DRob is an elite talent .. And I think he will generate great reviews. This often results in a player bolting ... I.e. Darius Morris .... This definitely concerns me
Since we're going up against VT soon I looked at how Drobs numbers stand up against a similar college qb who plays qb in the NFL (Vick) and a similar qb who switched positions for the NFL (Randle El).
Note: even though Denard should have redshirted and I believe we have yet to see the "real" Denard that will enter the draft I think Vick was a slightly better passer entering the draft as a sophomore than Drob was the last 3 games of his second year as a starter.
Vick: 6'0" and currently around 215 lbs at 31
Denard: 6'0" and currently around 195 lbs at 21
Randle El :5'10" and roughly 190 lbs at 32
Vick Freshman (19 yrs old)
Pass: [90/152 @ 59.2% w/ 1840 yds. 12 td. 5 int] Rush: [108 for 585 yds @5.8 and 8 td]
Vick Sophmore (20 yrs old)
Pass: [87/161 @ 54% w/ 1234 yds. 8 td. 6 int] Rush: [104 for 617 yds @5.9 and 8 td]
Denard Sophomore (first year starting, 20 yrs old)
Pass: [182/291 @ 62.5% w/ 2570 yds. 18td. 11int] Rush: [256 for 1702 yds @6.6 and 14td]
Denard Junior (21 yrs old)
Pass: [133/237 @ 56.1% w/ 2056 yds. 18td. 14int] Rush: [208 for 1163 yds @5.6 and 16td]
Randle El RSFreshman ( first year starting)
Pass: [127/273 @46.5% w/ 1745 yds. 6td. 11int] Rush: [227 for 873 yds @3.8 and 10td]
Radle El RSSophmore
Pass: [150/279 @53.8% w/ 2277 yds. 17 td. 7 int] Rush: [224 for 788 yds @3.5 and 13td]
Randle El RSJunior
Pass:[133/277 @48% w/ 1783 yds. 10 td. 14 int] Rush: [218 for 1270 yds @5.8 and 13td]
Randle El RSSenior
Pass:[118/231 @51.1% w/ 1664 yds. 9td. 5 int] Rush: [188 for 964 yds @5.1 and 8td]
Randle El never had a chance at being a pro qb being 5'10" and barely completing more than 50% of his passes.
Vick has gone on to put up similar numbers in the pros. Completing around 55% of his passes throwing 93 tds to 58 ints (some years closer to 50/50) averaging fewer tds with his feet (30 in 7 seasons) and averaging around 8 rushing attempts per game for roughly 57 yards per game. Even in his ProBowl 04 and 05 seasons his passer rating was in the mid 70's and he only threw 3 more td's than int's in both years combined. Denards numbers are also abbreviated. Last year he sat for large portions of games due to injury, and this year the offense was struggling to find itself for the first half of the season. Denard still has a long way to go with his accuracy and mechanics, but based on what we saw against Illinois, Nebraska, and Ohio he's obviously making strides under Borges tutelage. If he can maintain consitency in his passing game then I don't see why he wouldn't be a pro qb somewhere like Michael Vick or Tim Tebow.
that this is buried in the comments of another thread. I dont know if its because you dont have enough points or what (on my phone, can't tell) but this should be a board post. Better than most of the stuff that makes it there, because Im guessing it took you at least a little while to put it together.
No objection to it being an MGoBoard topic. You could post it if you want to. I put it here more to get the info out, I figured if I made it a forum topic the debate would get a little heated since he's only recently made some dramatic strides as a passer.
I'd be amazed if Robinson left - he'll need to make a position switch in the NFL anyway, and I don't foresee a decision to leave early translating into a better draft position. Plus, he seems like a smart kid who would want to take advantage of the educational opportunities the school has to offer, so why not when you are this close?
I think this does warrant some worrying. Denard has to know he won't get a high grade as a quarterback. If he's entertaining the thought of going pro that means he's most likely open to entering the league at another position. And he may get an enticing evaluation as a non qb.
He has a lot of good reasons to stick around, but it's a scary thought.
In 1944 the Detroit Lions made Otto Graham the 4th overall pick in the draft. Graham was 6'1 196 and made the HOF in 1965. So I figure Denard 6'0'' 195 is just like Otto Graham. an HOF'er in the making and predict right here and now, the Lions will trade up in the draft in 2013 to draft Denard with the 4th overall pick. I hope Denard is prepared to make Michigan his permanent home. Bill Ford will offer Denard mad money and also purchase Belle Isle for Denard.
Players were 100-200 lbs lighter in 1944.
/s meter broken...
To those questions didn't reduce my panic. "we'll see what happens" and "most likely" don't sound so strong.
Don't let the tape fool you. Denard is slow. And I mean SLOW. He can't change direction, and he has poor vision and acceleration. Off the field, he has been known to be a cancer in the locker room, and has had multiple run-ins with the law (petty larceny, homicide via trident, etc.).
You DO NOT want to draft this guy. Trust me. He needs another year of college.
Totally Serious Michigan Fans
and to all NFL Scouts it is my duty as a citizen to go to the police with this confession...Denard killed Five hookers...
He definitely will need to really shine and stay healthy to go pro as a slot receiver. Right now there is zero chance he will get drafted. Howevuh, I know he is tough. He will kick ass next year and work out as a KR or receiver.
He is just trying to see what he needs to improve next season
He is just curious
It has something to do with buying insurance
I feel a little better...
Not panicking but I really want to see what he can do as a senior. I am already excited for that opener against Alabama.
I just can't see Robinson leaving. If he has any hopes of playing QB at the next level, which I'd be amazed if anyone even gave him the chance, he needs to have another year under his belt. In addition, he just seems like the kind of guy who has a "my work here isn't finished" mentality. There's too many good reasons for him to stay, and not enough for him to leave.
Besides, I already have this vision in my head of him scoring the game winning TD against Alabama next year, something to the effect of a 70 yd TD run.
now i can't get rid of this damn unicorn!
I don't see him leaving now but he would be foolish to not get their opinions. One thing that can really help him is if Tebow keeps getting better - that could really change the way NFL teams are looking at dual-threat QBs. Denard is already a better passer than Tebow. At worst teams will increasingly want that kind of player to use situationally, especialy if he can help elsewhere - kick returns, third-down etc. Denard will be in the NFL.
I wounder if all purpose back will bring on new meaning in years to come.
Nobody is going to want Denard as an NFL QB at his current state of development. If he gets accurate feedback from the NFL, he will know what he needs to work on individually while he is helping Michigan win the B1G next season.
I would imagine that Al Borges is going to do all he can to help Denard develop into a bona fide NFL QB. Sadly, though, I think "6-1" is a tad generous, and the NFL still seems to want QB's not named Drew Brees to be at least 6-4.
I think it is a very reasonable bet that Denard will decide to stay for what could be a storybook ending to what is turning into a great career at Michigan.
It is either shoelace or denard. Don't lump him in with that mindless trend of nicknames
This process is about Denard's future. If I were to guess, the coaching staff probably has a meeting with the juniors and seniors (maybe everyone) on the team to find out were they want to go after football. The coaching staff probably recommended that Denard get evaluated in order to see were he needs to improve. This coaching staff really seems to be devoted to each team member and wants to help them succeed in life. Nothing to see execept helping a student athlete continue to work towards a goal beyond college.
not drafted at QB. Will come back, win the Heisman, picked late 3rd round next year as QB.