Here's a potential list.
-Past shady recruiting practices, in re Lloyd's health
Here's a potential list.
-Past shady recruiting practices, in re Lloyd's health
You forgot eating grass.
-Doinking wives of other asst. coaches
Or Head Coaches
Other than being bat-shit crazy, there is nothing wrong with Les Miles.
I actually want to send Dave Brandon an email with that subject line, even though I'm pretty sure he's filtering through the random emails sent to him by alumni and fans. But maybe if a bunch of us sent that email ....
Anyway, I've decided that Charlie Strong would be a fantastic hire - very good defensive coach, great recruiter, awesome name, fairly young, etc. Plus, he kind of looks like a badass, which thanks to the Power of Groban might be a welcome change for our image.*
Normally, I would think this would be doable: we could offer more money, more prestige, far better facilities and institutional resources, etc. Also, Louisville is puported to be a bit of a shithole, so it's not like we're convincing him to leave NorCal.
Here's the catch: since the timeline is so fucking short at this point, Strong will effectively be putting the dagger in his current school's back, since they'll have almost no time at all to name a successor before signing day. Many of the apparently stand-up guys we might want to hire will balk at this, undoubtedly.
Still, I'm going to hope and pray that Brandon moves heaven and earth to get Strong ... which will at least give me something to focus on until I'm inevitably disappointed with whoever we finally convince to come here in Februrary.
So yeah - if anyone wants to give me Dave's email address and join me in my barrage of CHARLIE STRONG messages to his inbox, holla.
3 of the 5 qualities you listed (awesome name, fairly young, kind of looks like a badass) do not rank terribly high on the list of qualities I look for in our next head coach. Nice plusses, all of them, but there are more important measurements.
I guess you went ahead and took those seriously, huh? For god's sake man, don't ask me to put a fey little smiley face like that Irish fucker when I'm goofing around in a comment.
Actually, I stand by "fairly young" as a positive attribute. Maybe it would make sense if it read "not old," or "not kinda old like Les Miles." Not as important as other characteristics, but not negligible, I'd say.
But the big things Strong has: very successful defensive coach, reputed to have considerable leadership qualities and charisma, killer recruiter in Florida ... these things would seem to recommend the man. Plus he's not in a situation that looks impossible to pry him away from.
I like Strong a lot. But he has always struck me as a really good guy. I suspect leaving after only one year this late is something he probably wouldn't do.
I think that's an important point wrt ANY of the coaching options out there. If these are 'stand up' guys that 'do the right thing' then leaving their current team in the lurch on the eve of nat'l signing day would probably be fairly uncomfortable and unpalatable. This to me is one of the huge flaws in the whole 'process.' We're essentially saying we want men of character, discipline, etc. (Michigan Man characteristics) but because we're doing it at such a late hour in the overall scheme of things, we're also basically saying we want them to veer from those principles to accept our overtures just because we're Michigan.
That's my biggest beef with the timing of the 'process.' Do it in Dec. and you can have a standard (at least for a major leadership change) transition. But doing it this way basically ensures there is bad blood, casualties (recruiting, etc.), hypocrisy, and/or all of the above.
I agree. no coach wants to lose out on two recruiting classes in the same year, it has to be quite disheartening.
Any post meeting comments from the players, yet?
anyone catch what Cox had allegedly put up as his facebook status? Someone posted it during the liveblog.
yeah, it had about as much class as the average buckeye education.
what a douchebag.
If he actually changed his status from "Coach Rod" to "Dick Rod," then jebus. If that's at all a shared sentiment, then I'm not optimistic that Denard will return, or that it will be a happy locker room next year.
Are you a current player on the team? Do you know how Cox was treated by Rodriguez? You don't? Do you think calling one of our current athletes a douchebag is appropriate?
DB is in such a bad spot now, he has no choice but to throw alot of money at someone, and that won't sit well with alot of people.
Never be the one to set the reservation price... which is bascially what DB did today when he told the world that Michigan will no longer be middle of the pack in HC pay.
he has no choice but to throw alot of money at someone, and that won't sit well with alot of people.
Unless that "someone" is Jim Harbaugh. Seriously, I think people will just be happy to have a damn coach again. We'll squabble about him over the next 240 days or so and argue about them being good enough or not, but I for one will be relieved when someone is hired, regardless of the cost. Hell, as an alum now, I's be willing to throw in a little bit of my share to get the big money to land the guy we NEED to get.
As I told me mom today when she asked me if I was sad to see RR go:
"No, I'm just pissed that we don't have a coach AT ALL now!"
I think that sums up a lot of people's angst during the presser today. Money is secondary or even tertiary at this point.
I love the word normal.......would like things to get back there.
There was an article in the Washington Post today about a high school student athlete who was about to leave for early enrollment at UConn only to find out about Edsall leaving UConn to become the new head coach at Maryland. The article pointed out that if he attended even one class at UConn and then wanted to transfer, he would have to sit out for a year. That is a pretty harsh rule when it is applied to kids who find themselves in that situation, as will a few new students who said they wanted to enroll early at Michigan so that they could participate in spring practice. There are a lot of ripple effects from what happened today that are truly unfortunate. I hope things happen quickly enough for them to be able to be fully informed about one of the most important decisions they will get to make.
Here are the big names, with my odds:
Les Miles, 3-1: He truly is a Michigan Man, and he's won a national title. There's been a lot of talk about how he still secretly would like to get this job and doesn't feel appreciated at LSU. But he does have a hefty buyout.
Brady Hoke, 4-1: Gets the Michigan Man tag because he was a Lloyd Carr assistant, and Carr figures to have more input in the search this time around. Hoke did a very good job at Ball State and San Diego State, but many UM fans are still lukewarm about him. It's certainly a bigger jump from SD State to Michigan than from WVU to Michigan.
Gary Patterson, 5-1: Coming off a fantastic season at TCU. His teams are 25-1 in their past 26, and you'd think if anyone could fix the mess that is the horrible Wolverines D, it's Patterson. Plus, his offense would fit with Denard Robinson. I also think he'd have a hard time saying no if offered, but will Michigan folks buy in? No head coach is more hands-on. If they thought RichRod could be rough, Coach P might make him seem like Mack Brown.
Jim Harbaugh, 6-1: Until he signs an NFL contract he's still a contender here. Did an unbelievable job turning a dismal Stanford program into a powerhouse that was as physical as any team in the country. The Cardinal played like Michigan used to.
Jon Gruden, 8-1: Flirted with a few college searches before and supposedly would like to stay in the broadcast booth at least for another year, but my hunch is he'd be very tempted by Michigan and would be curious to try out all that scheme studying he has done of Chip Kelly's and Urban Meyer's offenses the past few years.
Mike Trgovac, 15-1: Longtime NFL assistant Trgovac was a star D-lineman at Michigan (he played in three Rose Bowls) and spent five years as the Carolina Panthers' DC. He certainly is a Michigan Man and also a well-respected defensive presence, although having not been a head coach hurts.
Kyle Whittingham, 20-1: Stock may have fallen a little in the past two months after the Utes got routed a few times this season, but still a hot commodity and like Patterson, would bring a tough, physical style and boost a bad D.
Chris Petersen, 25-1: Boise State's head coach is well-regarded but always has been reluctant to leave the land of the blue turf for supposedly greener pastures.
Fuck Les Miles. This board and others have already gone over how poisonous he is as a person and in-game coach. LSU is currently winning in spite of him...partly because somehow the other team screws up even more than Miles.
Fuck Brady Hoke. The "Michigan Man" tag is really all he has to his name. As Desmond Howard said, this should mean jack shit in the search. Took 6 seasons to get over .500 at Ball State and has never been a head coach (or coordinator) in a BCS conference.
Mike Trgovac shouldn't be anywhere near this list.
I'm not sure about Trgovac. :)
Fuck Mike Trgovac, too.
Here's the order I would take those:
6. Gruden - has never been more than a position coach at the college level
7. Trgovac - ditto, and has never been a head coach at any level, might make a good DC
8. Miles - old, don't like him as a game coach, runs a sketchy program
The young, upcoming, and very promising Nick Sheridan! He should be between Patterson and Peterson, IMO. Kid's gonna be DYNAMITE!
I'm liking your list, especially the top 4.
Hoke MAY be palatable if he can pull in some major assistant coaches, but Hoke alone is not going to excite high school recruits.
Your post beat me to my question.
But I also think DB meant that statement FOR the big names like JH, Patterson, Mullen and Peterson, not the Brady Hokes of the world. If we have to settle for Hoke in the end, I doubt we'll be making it rain for him.
DB made the point of saying that they will no longer be "middle of the pack" with paying the coach's salary. Which available candidates are worth ~$5M? Harbaugh, Miles, and ??? You don't pay an unproven Hoke, Fitzgerald, or I'll go as far to say Patterson or Petersen, given the conferences they play in. Does DB have a big name coach in waiting, or was that to draw other names?
we need a unified fan base whoever the hell our next coach is
good luck friend, just good luck.
officially the worst day in the 29 years of my being a Michigan football fan. Im done, it was a hell of a ride but for me it's all come to an end, thanks mgoblog for partly ruining my last season as a M fan with the inability to see a bigger picture (not all of you), thank you dave brandon for making probably the worst decision in the history of M football moving forward, thank you to all the haters, idiots who don't know shit about shit. My only hope from here on out is that RR goes somewhere and comes back to beat the shit out of M in the Big House, blah blah tell me i was never a true fan, you'd be wrong, i have lived died laughed and cried from day one, but i now realize that life is way bigger than this shit, dave brandon is trippin, goodbye denard it was fun while it lasted. goodbye the other 20 kids who are gonna transfer, Michigan=Notre Dame. Sorry people, don't fool yourselves, anyone who thinks firing RR was a good decision is without a doubt living in the dark. Last post ever goodbye.
When I say that we don't really care.
Michigan=Notre Dame. Sorry people, don't fool yourselves, anyone who thinks firing RR was a good decision is without a doubt living in the dark. Last post ever goodbye
Think more like Alabama post Bear Bryant. They chased off a some decent coaches who were not from the Bear's coaching family and I see the same BS playing out here with the Old Guard wanting the mythical Michigan Man as a coach. Until the Old guard is gone we may be in for more of the same.
All I heard was this high-pitched whining noise then a door swiftly closing. Oh well, I guess we'll never know what that really was....
Michigan Men stay and root for their team regardless of who the coach is and whether some fans or alumni abuse them!
Oh my God we killed Kenny! Us bastards!
Yeah way to be a drama queen. At least gsimms was well-respected around here when he vanished.
Please take all of your 450 MGoPoints with you.
Promise? Cause we'll hold you to it.
But I did really want to ask you: you've been a fan for 29 years and still use "trippin'"?
Too bad you won't be around to answer.
(OK, not really)
No one wants to join the Charlie Strong Mafia with me? If even the MGoBoard isn't taking the possibility seriously - the same group that has occasionally touted Gruden and Meyer - than I'm afraid he's not on DB's radar either.
I'd be up for Charlie Strong. And I'm sure he's come across Brandon's mind -- with all the emails, calls, and looking-through-the-records-of-recent-hires he's doing, I'm sure he's come to mind. But then again, probably has every other HC in D1.
*edit,YES! Finally back in!!
Ummm...In three years what is one positive thing Rich Rod has done for Michigan on the football field...the blind Rich Rod love is amazing...wow