No thank you, I don't like coffee. It keeps me up.
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No thank you, I don't like coffee. It keeps me up.
The one thing that really pissed me off from the conference that no one is discussing is that Dave Brandon said he wants to win big ten championships and go to the Rose Bowl and isn't concerned with National Championships. F that, thats a major issue. Who settles for that.
But to win a MNC you pretty much need to witn the B10 championship first, and being in a BCS game or the national championship game will then take care of itself - at least that's how I took what he said, and I have no problem with that.
If you were able to conclude that from what he said than i am obviously on board with that. But everyone wanted to change the offense and move away from Lloyds way because we weren't happy with rosebowls and winning seasons but wanted to take that next step. So now were not for that?
agreed that's what he meant-
Who settles for that
Bo. I think that's the reality of being in a state/region that doesn't have the home-grown talent of Cali/the Southeast.
Tell that to Ohio State
Michigan ... not so much.
Also MSU eats into our recruiting these days - what competition does OSU have in Ohio? Cincy?
That was a major "what?" moment. Are we conceding the National Championship or was DB trying to harken back to the days of Bo and Woody? DB makes me cringe when I hear snippets of his opionions. Truth be told, the more I hear and perceive, the less I like. MSU has an athletic department mentality I envy, I'm thinking of Hollis, I believe. Maybe it's wrong, it is starting to be bigger league than UM. Honestly, we look archaic, stuck in the past and kinda bush league.
No, it wasn't a "what?" moment, the poster that had a problem with the statement just had a "I want to be angry where's my keyboard" moment and typed a silly response. And I don't know who would envy MSU's athletic department outside of their W-L on the field this season.
MSU has a ridiculous amount of off the field incidents involving student athletes, scheduled a no-win game with Boise to raise THEIR OWN profile, their facilities are less than stellar outside of Spartan Stadium, and they can't seem to fill Spartan Stadium (or Munn) without giving away free tickets with Subway 6" subs. I also don't want to be the athletic department that has to beg for a BCS bid.
The reason why you may not like snippets of DB's comments are because they are snippets and probably not in context. Watch the whole presser (or the whole conversations with comments that you don't like) and if you still disagree, then I take back my statements.
If you asked point blank if DB thinks Michigan should win national titles, I bet he'd say yes. But he would be foolish to place that burden on his next coach before he's even hired him.
I really hoped that my school was better than that. I really hoped that the admin at my alma mater couldn't be so short sighted as to fire a coach after only three years. I thought my school was better than that.
Now our program is as tasteless as Domino's pizza. Brandon has a lot of experience selling a cheap, boring product.
With Stewie half way out the door at WV, i really hope RR goes home and takes Denard with him.
people who love a coach more than their program
Yes, thank you. Michigan football is and always will be bigger than one name.
"there is no one and I mean no one that is bigger than the team, including me."
Bo, I hope you are laying your soft hands upon DB today and give him strength to make the correct coaching decisions. -Amen
Bo is in a casket six feet under. Just like the program.
It seems to me that many college football fans have this unrealistic idea of what it takes to win a NC. With the exception of Princeton and Yale, since 1869 no program has won more than 13 national championships (and thats debatable) depending on your source. This idea that a coach has to take you to a NC is unrealistic at best. A shot at the conference championship and with the bowl system being what it is, a chance to play in the Rose Bowl (BCS Bowl) is a sensible expectation. It's not out of the question to expect that you give it a run every few years but with the rarity of actually playing in and/or winning a NC, I don't think he's out of line by what he said.
Who the hell is REALLY thinking about National Championships? I just want to beat OSU for the first time in forever.... We could go 1-11 next year and I frankly don't give a shart if that 1 is Ohio State
you said it all. Oh how I hate Ohio State
Have we turned into MSU now?
No we haven't turned into MSU because OSU feels the same way about us as we do about them. MSU on the otherhand thinks of us as their primary rival but doesn't get that reciprocated.
That being said, I'd much prefer to go 2-9 with wins over MSU and OSU next year (12-0 would be great too...).
That's not what he said. He said that if you can do that - win the B1G- consistently, then "all kinds of good things" will happen, and you'll get to play for the MNC "every few years".
First of all, the universally-revered Bo Schembechler said exactly that with regards to the nat'l title. Win what we can control: The Big Ten. The rest will take care of itself. DB may just be emulating that attitude.
Second, and a poster made this point already, if you win the Big Ten, there is a pretty damn good chance that you'll be in contention for the NCG after winning the B1G championship game. If you win the B1G, aren't undefeated, and don't get to go to the NCG, do you really have much to complain about? You could've won them all.
Third, would you be angry to be Wisconsin heading into January 1? Go to the Rose Bowl? If our #1 goal is to win the Big Ten and we do so as frequently as Lloyd (5 times, albeit some were shared, in 12 years), I'd say the hire will be thought of as a universal success unless we go 3-9 in between those seasons.
I feel like this is a "step away from the keyboard" moment.
That sounded really stupid back when Bo was preaching it too. Did you miss the part where DB explained that the strength of the B10 usually places its winner in a position to contend for a national championship?
How about we figure out how to beat Michigan Agricultural College and then worry about winning a f**king national championship.
Having not personally been there when Bo said it, the context of his win the Big Ten go to the Rose Bowl statement was that all we can control is winning on the field. If we win all of our games then we will win the Big Ten and go to the Rose Bowl which we can also win. The National Championship is not up to the players or coaches it's up to polls and writers and now computers. We can't control them, so we will do everything thing we can to take care of what we can control.
Do you really think DB would need to pay Hoke more than $2.5M/year? Here he is, quoted in AA.com.
No matter who the next coach is, Brandon acknowledged Wednesday the next Wolverines football coach will get a raise.
I agree Brandon's comments about competitive salary are (yet another) reason Hoke is just not happening. In particular, he emphasized that he'd made clear to MSC and the regents -- "my boss and my boss's bosses" -- we should no longer be paying middle of the pack salary. No way, no how could Brady Hoke command even as much as Rich Rod, let alone more -- heck, I think he'd do it pro bono.
I'd be surprised if Hoke is one of the early targets, but it would not surprise me at all if he ends up being hired after our first choices turn us down. This job is not nearly as attractive as it was 3 years ago now that people have seen how Rodriguez was treated.
I wanted to say the same thing. Brian's going too far with the Hoke-bashing. And the legions of posters who parrot everything he says aren't helping things any.
welcome to start your own blog and voice your opinions there. Brian has his own blog and do you really want it to turn into some msm, corporate, yes-man type blog??? I for one like to read what Brian has to say and form my own opinions based on what I take in.
Only Seinfeld can bring me joy right now. thank you.
It's funny you say this. As soon as the press conference was over, I went to the gym then popped in season 4. Now im on season 7 and in a good mood.
Frankly it disgusts me.
Dave Brandon: "I'm from Ann Arbor and I'm on a mission of mercy. Mary Sue sent me."
I had the chance to meet Jack Lemmon once. What a classic actor!
(Your name's Brandon?)
Maybe we want to see what happens with Harbaugh and everyone else before we draw this conclusion. If Brandon's statements are to be taken at face value, the coaching search is officially a couple hours old.
So he may just be a poor opener?
I had the utmost respect for Brandon. I just can't believe that we're literally at square one right now. It seems inconceivable to me that this great businessman did not have and research and potentially check out the possibility of a Plan B if his obvious Plan A failed.
David Brandon, your pimp hand is suspended pending permanent revocation and banishment to wherever Bill Martin's spine went based on how you handle this coaching search.
At least you know where you are. Nobody ever messes up and then says, "Oh well, back to Oval Eight."
"We’re surrounded. That simplifies our problem of getting to these people and killing them." — November 1950, during Chosin Reservoir campaign
-Lieutenant General Lewis Burwell "Chesty" Puller
That's not really how I took it.
It seemed fairly obvious from what was said (and what wasn't) that talks with JH are still ongoing. I have the feeling that a lot of DB's comments (or lack thereof) were aimed directly at JH. He went out of his way to both confirm that talks with Harbaugh had occured, but was very broad in his timeline of said talks (over 3 years). You don't parce your words that carefully without a good reason, and I don't think "JH rebuffed us" qualifies.
His comments about not finding fault in whoever is chosen scares the shit out of me, but it could all be a very elaborate ruse aimed directly at Jim. He also made sure to say that money wasn't going to be an object.
I don't know, this whole thing is impossible to read. I just hope it ends well, for all of our sake.
I heard an air of negotiation in his voice. I saw a look of plea bargaining in his eyes.
Points are down on the MGoBoard?! I can say whatever I want with no repercussions?!?! FARTY FARTY POO PANTS FARTY POOP CRAP.
Negged for not acknowledging the power I wield. Unless nothing happens when I hit "save," and then self-negged for hubris.
EDIT: I changed my mind. MGoBlog should be a neg-free zone at least until the collective binge drink wears off.
If I could say shitballs on MgoBlog, I would be soooo happy...
He looked like a deer in headlights to me. I didn't hear it because I had to have the presser muted. But the look did not inspire confidence.
My gut feeling is JH was interested until THE BOWL WIN put him at the top of the world and he may have verbally committed and then Dee-committed, putting DB in an unanticipated quandry. DB will still wait until it's proven JH has signed with another team before he starts plan B. Miracles may occur. Look ! A flying pig !
But that's the point. If DB;s statements are taken at face value and the search IS only a couple of hours old, then he screwed this up already. In fact, if he isn't getting JH, then there was no need for the delay in the first place and he should have made this move in November. After losing part of the 2008 class and having massive attrition, we cannot affort a "lost recruiting class" which is exactly what we are now guaranteed. Guaranteed - there is no scenario (even JH) in which we do not lose a few recruits AND fail to close on the few kids still considering us.
But, putting the who insane time table aside for a second, even if he wanted to wait to "evaluate" RR under now, he should have lined up coaching replacement because he certainly knew that there was a non-zero chance that he would be firing RR. He didn;t have to name a replacement at the presser, but he should have been far along in his search and been able to have someone in place by the LATEST Friday so that the new coach and his staff can hit the recruiting trail ASAP!
Major fail, DB.
If we manage to lure JH, he'll bring some of his own recruits and find others based on how hot he is right now. Otherwise, not only is this recruiting class down the drain, but we'll have significant attrition from current players.
Plane, meet mountain.
For the record, I don't actually take his comments at face value. I recommend waiting and seeing what happens. (And I recommend doing the same after the new coach is announced.)
Evidence of the major fail to me is in the cancelled recruiting visits this weekend. If there's a plan A or B, someone in the works, just a few i's to dot on the contract, then why cancel the visits? This was the thing that worried me most from the press conference.
I've seen enough from members gloating about people losing their jobs to not wish to be associated with this blog.
But you were okay when everyone was calling for GERG to be fired?
Um. Don't type in "mgoblog.com" in your address bar. Pretty simple.
Sympathy not found
Please take this +alot instead of an actual pos. Post. So. Hilarious.
You'd think RR was a wife beating, dog fighting, serial rapist or something with the way some people treat him. I believe another poster in another thread said it best: "Brock Mealer (and the kids at Motts) would (not so) kindly tell them to fuck off". Parentheses are my little additions.
All the guy did was take a job he didn't solicit from the best, most storied program in CFB and tried to help it along during a somewhat rocky stretch. That fucking bastard!
fuck him... /s
Anybody who throws RR under the bus should no longer associate themselves as fan of the University of Michigan. I am sad today not only because of the turmoil on the football program but, how genuinely bad I feel for Rich Rodriguez, his family, his staff, and the players.
It won't take long for him to get hired into a program where the fans support him from day 1.
What happened to your "hot" avatar?
I can't tell if you're joking or not.
"Anybody who is angry with the worst years we have ever encountered at Michigan isn't allowed to be a fan because I loved RR"
rodriguez initiated contact with michigan, for the job, not vice versa. he wanted to see if he could work here. don't feel sorry for him.
He got 1.5 million. Making an analogy between that and someone losing their job in the real world is just stupid.
and is planning to take the year off and relax with his family. You or me should only be so lucky....so lets not start crying him a river.
RR went through a lot, so you can question whether that 2.5mm was earned or not. I feel bad for him, not everything is about money, his kids and Ms. Rita went through enough. If the story about the kids getting harassed in school, true? If so, the 2.5mm wasn't enough.
I feel bad for us. RR will get another job, maybe before we get another coach. However, the next coach will know that he needs to win right away or things will get worse unless he is a Michigan Man. That meme and the wrong interpretation by the MSM is destroying this program.
... but I won't know until it actually posts. I tried to upvote you and got an error message. But I was brought to this reply box... Forgive me if This is a Test This is Only a Test serves as my up-vote.
so how exactly is any new coach going to win with no recruits this year and the myriad of transfers that WILL happen very soon along with martin now definitely entering the draft? We know tate's gone, denard will leave no question, and devin is a spread QB who more than likely is gone. I was never sure of dave brandon considering dominoes pizza was one of the worst pizzas and franchises in history, this confirms my suspicions. How many Rodriguez hating hypocrites here are going to be preaching patience when it takes at least 3, I'd actually say 4 more years, to see a bowl game again? Notre Dame is pointing northeast and laughing.
Did you get the impression that I was a RR hater from my post? I guess I wrote that wrong or your interpretation is off. Actually a RR supporter, thought he should get at least 4 years, but can't blame the people who weren't willing to give him that extra year.
I am disgusted that people were against RR when he was hired initially. I am sick of the Michigan Man term that has been misused by the MSM. I want the best coach, I don't care if he went to OSU.
I don't even want to start talking about the recruiting class. I always thought that if you are going to fire RR, do it after OSU. I am not going to call this a disaster, but we are close.
by crapping on the dominoes pizza. I am sure there are legitimate reasons to question his abilities, but really, its weak.
When you're the lead man in a bad corporation, it reflects on you, i.e. ken lay-enron, the tyco ceo who I can't think of at the moment and dominoes-DB. when he took the michigan job, the new leadership ran the series of "our pizzas suck serious #@&# and we're changing everything" ads.
If you add his buyout onto his salary. Its a big boy game. I agree he got treated like sh!t here but his family is well taken care of with the money he made.
I don't feel bad for, his assistant coaches who didn't get 2.5mil there the ones I feel for.
i'd plus one you if i could.
that MGoBlog was the last bastion of rational support for Rich Rodriguez. I think you'd be better served if you chose not to associate yourself with this football program and the fanbase in general.
He'll get all the coffee he wants if his HC hire turns out to somehow miracle our ass up into the upper echelons of college football again. But...it'll be brewing for a loooong time before it gets served (if ever).
While I am trying to give DB the benefit of doubt in that he has a plan in place, where I think he has failed is in communication. He has literally millions of people, including alumni and fans, hanging on his every word and yet does not communicate that he has been diligently pursuing coaching options should it not work out with RR. He doesn't need to name names, but I would feel better about the situation if he demonstrated his understanding of the urgency of the situation.
It seems as though he is just starting a search today, if that's true, I think he has failed. If that's not true, he needs to communicate it with all us crazies speculating our asses off. A little more information from him would go a long way.
If he left people waiting with uncertainty at a corporation for two months, productivity would grind to a halt with speculation. Clearly we've done that here and our own companies have probably lost productivity! I'm disappointed that a former CEO handled it this way, with an artificial timeline, before starting a search. I *hope* the non-communication is because he has a sensitive plan that results in a great coach but unless something big happens soon, we'll probably never know the reason.
I really don't care who coaches the team. I am an M fan and whoever the coach is that's my coach. With that being said, I can't believe that DB had no clue that he was firing RR and if so he should have had more than just a friggin list. Mark my words, if DB doesn't pull his head out of his arse soon we are going to lose recruits and games faster and more frequently than a columbus oh 13 y/o loses her virginity to a relative.
BTW: Thanks Brian for turning us back on. Yesterday was painfull. I felt like an Mgomime and no matter how I tried I couldn't get out of my imaginary box.
It seems like our posting abilities aren't complete yet. I can't seem to post on the front page, still, or start new threads on the board.
We've been moved from "being grounded" to just "sitting in time out"
Did JH pimp us? Did DB think he had JH (bleeding maize and blue) wrapped up? Will DB pull a rabbit out of his hat? God this is bad!
Put yourself in the shoes as a parent of a recruit - what are you thinking right now? The visits for this weekend have been cancelled. No coaching decision on the horizon. You son needs to make a decision!!! Who would still come here with the uncertainty.
Time to drink and pray that a big time savior walks through the door. No Brady Hoke please.
I am wondering if Stanford's great year didn't work against us. If Brandon had, say, a handshake agreement with Harbaugh weeks ago, if Stanford doesn't finish 12- 1 maybe Harbaugh isn't such a hot name.
If Stanford had gone 10 -3 maybe we would have a coach now.
i think the whole draw of the nfl is what is keeping JH away. whether he went 12-1, 10-3 people were going to go after this guy for their HC position in the offseason.
I guess my question would be: Why now? Why not last year? I guess I see a connection between Stanford being better than good this year and Harbaugh being so hot now.
Edit: I am also thinking: Isn't it unfortunate the San Francisco job opens up now.
It's possible the 49er job opens up now precisely because of the opportunity to grab JH, and the concern that he would go to Michigan. Not good to be competing with NFL owners for a head coach.
Good point. But it won't let me posbang you. I get an HTTP error.
we are going to lose recruits and games faster and more frequently than a columbus oh 13 y/o loses her virginity to a relative
Thanks, the small laugh I got from that line is the first break I have had from crying since about 11:32 AM CST.
but unfortunately must be a virtual posbang, as the MGoBoard is still a bit wonky and won't allow me to up-vote you
I had luck logging in with the iPhone app. No luck on the computer
Yeah it makes him jittery.
He prefers five hour energy.
if brandon comes back with hoke, he should be the next out the door.
Hoke wouldn't put together an all-star U-M Alum coaching staff? Loeffler is available for OC/QB coach, Heater is available for DB coach, Trgovich would probably come back to be DC. Retain Fred Jackson as RB coach.
It could be a vision of his. Bring back all of these former players/coaches that have gone on to other colleges in different divisions with there new coaching philosophies. It's definately a possibility.
I think that has already been tried when the Tigers thought it would be a good idea to put Trammel as manager, Parrish at third, Gibby as a bench coach, etc.
I like the idea of a "Michigan Man" but strictly from the perspective that they "get" the program and understand it and respect it.
Any outsider can quickly get to this point with some effort.
like rodriguez did, in three years? he still doesnt get it.
rodriguez broke double digit negative records for the program, and guys like you feel sorry for him.
no need to beat a dead horse, RichRod has already had a crappy day.
Why is an angry man with a chicken wing being bucked off a four-legged Kirk Cousins?
You're lucky negs are still off-line.
Just because he ended up not succeeding doesn't mean he didn't understand the program - yeah, he made some mistakes with traditions, but quite frankly, sometimes traditions need changing.
The feeling sorry for him (and yes, I do) is because of people that never gave him their support from day 1 and would never have supported him, even if he had won, just because he didn't play for or coach under Bo.
Perhaps Hoke has a kingsnake in his sock drawer that calls plays for him. Anything is possible at this point, though I suppose yours may be more optimistic.
has some oil to go along with it. As it will be needed from hire until signing day
Bands do this all the time... usually to horrible effect. I am *not* endorsing Hoke. But if it did end up being him, I'd prefer he bring a fully intact staff that he's comfortable with along.
I just want this week to be over. I have the week off and all i've done for the past two days is refreshing mgoblog/espn/twitter hoping for updates. I am trying to gradually ween myself off by limiting to checking them once every hour, then once every two hours, etc. I feel so empty inside.
I finally had to snap myself out of it when I received emails from the boss and her boss and his boss about the shit I was going to send them Monday that normally takes me 3 minutes to finish. Back at it now, hehehehehe!
Or it won't. But take a break anyway
The Denard stay/transfer saga is going to take a lot of your strength
did a whole post on this yesterday, check it out. Funny stuff.
I love it
I can Log in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Deny us all login rights, and then grant them back in the midst of all this gloom. Before you know it, BAM!@ We're all so happy about getting the blog back we temporarily forget about Dave Brandon and the cruelty of life. Thanks Brian, for taking care of my emotional needs.*
Can I stop using morse code and smoke signals to post messages now?
Prepare for the flood of comments!
Is anyone else having problems voting?
I tried to downvote you but it failed.
My first laugh of the day! Gracias, amigo!
Fuck off - show me a post where I supported GERG being fired - No, I don't have to come in here, but I want my name removed.
it's a login, my friend. You want to disappear, it is in your power to do so.
As far as I'm concerned, you're not worth the -1, ha
unless your real name is "502 Bad Gateway" i don't think you're going to have a problem. also, people aren't celebrating that other people were canned. look, when you get into a business like college coaching you do so with the understanding that it is cut throat and that if you don't produce you might be fired. and in exchange you get paid quite lucratively. these aren't people who need unemployment insurance to keep themselves afloat. no one's hope for a new coach is mean spirited.
Sorry we don't feel bad for a guy who made 10 million for doing an indisputably poor job.
I really can. It's just that I, as well as a lot of other UM fans, feel bad for those close to RR who were collateral damage as a result of his firing which was, admittedly, because of an extremely poor performance on the field.
I think it grinds people the wrong way because many feel he wasn't given a chance or time from the start to do what he needed to do with the team in order to be successful. Also, I personally hate how RR and his family were left swinging in the breeze the last 48 hours while Fox2/ESPN/Freep/DetNews/Nancy Grace/Ryan Ermanni/Everyone on the Tweeters and FaceSpaces were reporting he was gone when they possibly hadn't heard a damn word otherwise. That's torture to his wife and kids and the families of the assistants as well whose jobs hung with Rodriguez's. It was shameful,and that's what really pisses me off!
/soapbox because I haven't been able to post in forever
I dispute this.
He had the offense headed in the direction he wanted it to go but the 2010 starting defense was a mash unit. We had a semblence of a defense in the first couple of games and we beat two teams that ended up being bowl eligible. Then injuries. Then Doom.
I wouldn't even want you as a cell mate...GO AWAY!
At first you were entertaining. Now you're out of touch with reality and acting like a whiny brat.
Funny thing is, you joined the site 3 days ago. Can you say troll?
But I sure as hell picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue. I trust Brandon and believe he had a plan in place for all contingencies. He doesn't seem like the kind of person that flies blind into situations.
I am sick and tired of all the commentators saying RR lost to App State. Can they at least get that right. As for DB, hopefully as he said, he was prepared to for not getting JH.
Ugh! Today I couldn't help myself and I read some of the comments on ESPN, and a lot of these jackwads believe that DB was the one that hired RR back in 2007/2008. I guess I can assume that they are the same people who listen to the mindless dribble you heard on ESPN. Get a brain, MORANS!
thanks for the link.
DB was pretty frank. he called the defense "bad" said, said we "weren't competitive".
he did a poor job of explaining his timeline again though.
he also said that he'd be visiting people, so flighttracker away!
Knock off the media events and get to work hiring a coach.
I'm with Lou Holtz on this one, M fans getting what they deserve (glory days are over) because of impatience, entitled attitude, refusal to really support this young team. Like a young bride who leaves after 3yrs for a BBD (bigger better deal). It never works out and M is now screwed for a long time. Maybe the next coach will buy me flowers and pick up his underwear....haha hahah hahah. BTW this is me, Nevada Wolfpack fan now (I play rugby there) eating David Brandons head...
And there was a guarantee that next year our defense was going to magically get better, Denard and the offense would stop the fumbles and droppsies that have plagued us all three years, and the special teams would get better? No one knew that Rodriguez was going to turn this around next year or ever. To presume otherwise smacks of unrealistic optimism.
And really, you're a Nevada fan now? Adios. Don't try to hope back on board later subway.
But there was a reason to believe that it would get better considering that it would be RR's first year with a two deep full of experience and depth on both sides of the ball.
I'm curious. What's your guarantee with whatever coach we end up with?
And, please........ don' t say someone who will bring us back to what we had before RR. I was not exactly satisfied with 4 loss seasons despite having some of the best talent in the conference.
Hopefully they are just refueling. Not sure why we would hire that guy.
I am so bummed that we can't neg.
Brady Hoke is not a bad coach who cares if hes not the sexy hire
Agreed! He turned around Ball St. for goodness sakes. That is no small feat. He is a great football coach, seems to be a good guy. The same people complaining about his sub .500 record are the ones who poo-pooed Rich's losing record, attributing it to the empty cupboard, etc. No cupboard was more empty than Ball St. I'm sure if he's hired there will be people at the airport chanting "we don't want you" - just as there were when Chizik was hired.
I'm not saying he will/should be hired, but it is a solid hire if they go that route.
as much as Millen did the Lions.
|Ball State (Mid-American Conference) (2003–2008)|
|2003||Ball State||4–8||3–5||T–4th (West)|
|2004||Ball State||2–9||2–6||6th (West)|
|2005||Ball State||4–7||4–4||5th (West)|
|2006||Ball State||5–7||5–3||T–3rd (West)|
|2007||Ball State||7–6||5–2||2nd (West)||L International|
|2008||Ball State||12–1||8–0||1st (West)||Invited to GMAC*|
|Ball State:||34–38||27–20||* Did not coach Ball State in bowl game.|
I'm sorry, one good season does not constitute turning around a program.
Millen had winning seasons with the Lions? Oh, wait...
Not to mention it took him 6 yrs to get there. Everyone keeps talking about how he's turned around BS and SDSU. I don't see it myself. I'm not saying the guy is bad. But I just don't see any evidence he's all that either.
I'm sorry, one good season does not constitute turning around a program.
In the case of a MAC program, it may be instructive to focus on the conference record, since MAC teams regularly play nothing but BCS-conference teams in September. In conference play, Hoke posted three straight winning seasons before he left, and got them from finishing in the bottom of their division (in his second year) to a perfect season. It evidently was good enough for SDSU to offer him. He's since taken a formerly downtrodden SDSU program to a bowl, and their future seems bright. I don't look forward to our game against them next year.
how what Hoke did in the MAC is any different to what RR was doing at Michigan, taking into account that theywere each playing against comperable talent, and also taking into account that Hoke was allowed 6 years to take Ball State to their break out season (the 8-0 does not include the pasting that Ball State took at the hands of Buffalo in the MAC championship game).
Are you saying that you will be willing to give him 6 years to get Michigan back to elite status in the B1G?
They were 6-4 in 1961 and 8-2-1 in 1962 so stronger than Ball State but still being 23 games over .500 is a lot different than being under.
|Miami Redskins (Mid-American Conference) (1963–1968)|
who cares? the leader of the lowest rung, thats who. and you can see how all the lemmings follow, here.
fact is, hoke is a great hire. francesa even said so about an hour ago on the radio, that hoke would be a great success at michigan.
So some dude on the radio says it would be a good hire, and that automatically makes it true?
Err, put blogger in there and we have? You never know how a coach is going to work out at the highest level. Remember that Rodriguez was a slam dunk hire.
I hate to break it to you but the average person in this conversation knows more about Michigan football than Mike Francesa.
you just put it on the internet, so yes, now it's 100% undeniable fact.
Poor Mr. Brady. I wonder how he's feeling right now . . .
hey coach schiano - NO SOUP FOR YOU!
And by 'him', I mean Harbaugh.
I know it's not going to happen...I just wish it would.
Is our jet never coming back to pick up DB? It's now going to Palm Springs, CA.
wasn't it in lubbock?
It is now in Lubbock but now going to Palm Springs, CA.
Headed to Palm Springs from Van Nuys. Our plane warped from Texas to LA. Amazing.
Is Palm Springs closer to San Diego or Palo Alto?
San diego..palm springs is in the so cal desert near arizona
Palm Springs is a suburb of Los Angeles.
is purposely eating Pizza Hut tonight?
If you are in Ann Arbor, I would vote for Pizza Man over Pizza Hut. That place is/was fantastic. Sadly, did not make it there during my pilgrimage for the Illinois game.
Or how about Hungry Howies?
As long as it's ok for me to eat Jets. Damn, now I really might order pizza. I'm super hungry now. Thanks a lot guys! If I keep eating pizza I'll be fatter than Hoke [just getting you guys used to the fat jokes that will inevitably come our way, relax].
fingers are jittery from the greasy Pizza Hut goodness.
seen my order of ashes and sackcloth arrive yet?
No martyr's uniform is complete without a whip for self-flaggellation. Clearly the program / fanbase has a lot of repenting to do for some past transgressions (as seen by defensive back injuries, etc.) so lets get to work!
Birch branches work well, too...
We've all been very bad, and God is punishing us. Pray for salvation.
I feel like Budd's quote from Kill Bill reflects how this decision will come back to haunt us one day
"That woman deserves her revenge, and we deserve to die."
Mark it down. Rich's new team will win a BCS bowl before michigan gets near one.
Daves best option is to send some dominos out to San Fran with please spelled out in pepperoni to Jimmy H. That should get the job done.
For all those people that hated Rich Rod maybe Brandon, himself, turns out to the athletic director version of Rich Rod. That would be sweet justice to them if this fiasco spirals even more out of control than it is currently.
In that BTN interview it looks like DB hasn't slept for days.
No sleep 'til Brooklyn.
I'm guessing that's where I our next coach will be found.
I think we should all be prepared to give Hoke a chance, if he's the guy.
no excuses, based on the current criteria
i'll give him the same chance Rich got, 1 bad year with no good players and he's gone.
Crime will have to wait or something.
I don't think it has anything against waiting, however
But like I said, I won't be getting any work done this week, so all the crime reporting I would normally do will have to wait.
this way. Because DB waited so long to evaluate Rich and let him go, well, Rich didn't go to Florida or Miami, nor did anyone on his staff. Given how good they are at recruiting in Florida, that would have been killer for us.
On the bright side for Rich: because he got fired this year, he gets a $2.5M buyout, versus the other way around ... Sucks to get let go, but a $2.5M severance makes things a whole lot better.
Well - good luck to Rich and his staff. And good luck to DB in his search.
DB thought he had him locked up. 50% blame to DB for all eggs in one basket. 50% blame to JH for screwing with his alma mater.
Although JH could have told DB he wouldn't make a decision until afte the Orange Bowl, that really put DB into a bind.
And with DB saying he'll open up the checkbook, it probably means no Brady Hoke and it means we'll poach some other teams coach, another debacle.
but don't agree with the debacle part - too bad for the other program if we have more tradition and can out-spend them.
Harbaugh gets 0% of the blame unless he promised Brandon that he would definitely come here and went back on his word. It looks like Brandon rolled the dice on this one, and it came up snake eyes.
Bull. If JH goes to the NFL I will hate his teams with a passion for the rest of my life.
Up until yesterday at least Brandon could have pulled back by retaining RichRod. No doubt he would have caught a lot of flack any which way, but most of us would have understood that decision even if we disagreed with it.
As it is, there's no doubt Brandon's got himself a PR fiasco and a coach search under very tough conditions. Maybe he recovers from this with a solid hire. Maybe he catches a break and Harbaugh winds up in AA anyway, or Brady Hoke turns out to be the steal of the century. Brandon's a smart guy and the thing about smart guys is not that that they never make mistakes, but that they recover from them quickly. That's what I'm hoping for here. But there's no denying he's taking a huge, and probably unnecessary, risk.
What did DB know and when did he know it? I have to assume he knew something -- that there was an "understanding" of some sort. Otherwise, DB's simply a madman. What we need to know is whether there was, for all intents, a deal: verbal, wink-and-a-nod, whatever. If so, then Jimbo is a weasel and fuck him.
But, quite possibly, Jim (or his intermediary) said, "Gee, Dave, that's an exciting thought. And I'd love to discuss it at some point. But not until after our bowl game." In which case, DB is a fool and fuck him.
In either scenario, though, DB would have surrendered the power in the negotiation. I think many strong ADs would have made an offer on the school's timeline, not the candidate's. Can't get burned that way.
Assuming we do not land Jim, one side or both will begin leaking their version of the story. One of the other will fail the sniff-test. Then, hopefully, we'll know.
Not sure I agree. JH's market value may have changed (possibly because of Michigan alum Stephen Ross) between the verbal and now. What if a junior player states his intention to finish his degree, but then over the course of the season becomes projected as a top 5 pick in the draft? Can you really blame him for going pro?
My guess is that Harbaugh has options and doesn't want to work for an idiot. Personnel-wise, the cards are now almost as stacked against a pro set guy as they were against RR. Maybe JH realizes what a loose cannon DB is and doesn't want to be the next guy that "didn't work out."
Besides, JH's brother let it slip that there was contact before anything was announced, so there would always be conspiracy theories/facts if JH took the Michigan job. Maybe JH just doesn't want to walk into the cesspool that David Brandon has created when he can make more money in the NFL.
The only way we aren't in for two more years of waiting for next year is if a spread-based coach comes to Michigan. Maybe JH is a lot better off in a league where the spread is still verboten. If he goes to the NFL, he won't ever have to defend against it or be compared to it, and he won't have to remember giving up 55, 35, 51, and 52 points for an average of 48.25 a game against Oregon's spread during his tenure at Stanford.
Not only do I not blame Harbaugh for this situation, I applaud him for washing his hands of it. I am confident in saying that the next time we see Jim Harbaugh on the Michigan sideline, it will be in a situation that won't risk compromising his repuation. And that is fine with me.
I agree that if it was Brandon's plan all along to announce an open search on January 5 he's an idiot. But I am not so sure that's the case. Why are you so sure that Harbaugh didn't waffle once it became clear that he would field multiple NFL offers and could play hardball to get favorable terms? Isn't it at least plausible that it's Harbaugh who has put Brandon in a tough spot by getting cold feet?
Or maybe the sheer awfulness of the team's performance in the Gator Bowl led him to the conclusion that a change was needed.
If all that happened was Harbaugh backing out, Brandon had a way out: keep Rich Rod for another year. Folks would have been disappointed but most of us would have understood.
Guh. He took over a 1-11 team. That didn't scare him away.
If JH had led DB to believe he would come, then some of the fault would have to lay on him. On the other hand, when billionaires are throwing money at you to come coach their NFL franchises, it's hard to complain about his decision-making. Sort of like Stanford fans complaining if/when Andrew Luck decides to declare for the NFL draft. Can you really blame him?
How bad can things get. We're as bad or worse than Notre Dame.
How so? Come on...we're not there...yet.
we're there and we did it faster than they did too(thats what she said).
Let's not say things we can't take back.
We are two failed coaching changes at a minimum from getting anywhere near Notre Dame status!
I think you're right, but it's not that bad. Let's look at it like this: pretend we're already dead. We've already achieved ND status in the eyes of the sports-watching world (read Maisel's ESPN article, which skewers Michigan's "arrogance" and "championship" culture). Ofer 3 against Sparty, Ofer 7 against Ohio St. Only bowl appearance in three year was a total disaster.
I thought RR should have been given the chance to improve upon this year, which showed promise. But the next guy has to beat 15-22 over three years. We're not a school who fires coaches who win 58% of their games--that's what ND did. We're a historically-strong program in need of rebuilding. There's no shame in that. We have a proud past, outstanding facilities, a rabid fanbase, and still offer a big stage (like ND, people will tune in because it's Michigan, just to hate/gawk). Even if we hire Hoke, I think we will improve on the last three years.
Even if we hire Hoke, I think we will improve on the last three years.
If we kept RR and got a new DC (hell, even if we didn't) we'd be guaranteed to improve due to new players and players getting older/more experienced. If we hire Hoke, we'll have no players left.
What new players? And what players that are getting older and more experienced are really going to get better under Rodriguez? Is Roundtree going to suddenly realize his potential under Rodriguez? How about Stonum?
And the defense? Please.
These guys are underachieving under Rodriguez and I'm frankly tired of it.
is that bad???
IIRC that's his wife, dude.
Dude, that's his wife! Stephen R, you can blame yourself for the creeped out/jealous feeling you're having right now.
I say, well done, StephenRKass, well done!
In my amcult 208 class and my teacher is trying to explain what history means...
"Rich Rod is history" booooo
...can we at least give the next guy the time it takes for him to step up to the podium before we declare him a failure?
again, I like Rodriguez and know he's a good coach who was trying to drag michigan football kicking and screaming out of the great depression era. the new coach will get the respect Rich got from alledged fans from day 1.
You guys are borderline ridiculous. I'm sad and frustrated too, but lets not treat this like the end of the world. It's not.
Sit back and see what happens. And, by God, support the new coach.
I will be so disappointed if this blog and its members do to Hoke, what y'all keep bitching people did to Rich
Go Blue, Beat Western
It's gonna happen jamiemac. If anyone but JH or Les Miles come in here, you know the "Ol guard" will bitch about them not being Michigan men. And they'll bitch about Hoke having "not won at a big program", book it.
Doesn't matter who it is, this is what Michigan fans do. We cannabalize. I'm sure even Bo got bitched about by Op-Eds and Armchair QBs before Gore invented the internet. We don't venerate our coaches or players till after they're gone (see Lloyd Carr and John Navarre).
We don't venerate our coaches or players till after they're gone
Yeah, our fanbase does have a bunch of whiny idiots. But the current situation is a complete cluster.
of this could have been avoided with just a little support from Carr after he left.
"He's boring and predictable and conservative". It was the same. I was in the bus back from his final Rose Bowl, and heard stuff like "well maybe now our offense can enter the 20th century". There's just more ways for your "opinion" to be "heard" now. There's a reason outside of press conferences coaches and players really don't like or give a damn about fans.
Guys, I'm really scared.
It's during times like these that I wish DB would hold me and tell me its going to be ok. So much is riding on the next coach. We can't afford to have back-to-back failed coaching tenures. I don't want to see a decade of losing/mediocre seasons. This is Michigan. The greatest and most admired university in the world. We are great at everything, except football. We need to change that and it needs to happen soon. Please reassure me everything will be ok.
...some of these people drink way to much coffee.
Thank you jamie.
Seriously, everyone else, chill the fuck out.
I'd rather people bitch now and back the eventual choice than the other way around.
With RichRod, people were largely supportive right up until he started, you know, doing stuff.
You might want to talk to your fellow podcaster Brian on that one. He's leading that band here.
Apparently there are limits to what even the pimp hand can accomplish. DB must have had some kind of verbal agreement with JH at the time of the OSU game and decided to wait to announce it so everyone could save face and coach their teams through the bowl games. Otherwise why wait to can RR? Only a funny thing happened on the way to the altar - JH became THE hottest thing in the land. a bunch of NFL jobs opened up and now we're Notre Dame. Who would have thought we'd be going through ANOTHER coaching search debacle three years after the last with a supposedly brilliant executive driving the bus? OTOH, if DB does pull off some kind of miracle and deliver JH, I will build a shrine to him in my backyard.
why? what the hell is he going to do in the next 3 years that Rodriguez didn't do. take over a bad team with transfer hell, no recruiting class, no experienced QB and a change from the spread back to prehistoric offensive scheme. his first three seasons at stanford were horrible and the same will ring true at michigan.
Didn't DB say " we have a coaching list with no shortages"? If it had no shortages, why don't we have a coach in place?
What happens to our crazy S&C difference maker?
Separate contract, according to the News. The only staff member who has not been fired.
barwis has been with rodriguez for a while and he'll follow him to the next school.
But we get to keep the redesigned S&C facilities
for the next S&C coach. No one can accuse DB of not knowing about pizzas.
Obviously the "search" has not started today. He is not stupid. Once he concludes his review and makes a choice I will stand by the decision. To me, if I don't, then I'm part of the problem. We all need to support the program. Most of you got what you wanted today. A new coach will be coming so support him. Heck, if its some no-name with the right qualities so be it. This will be done soon. Let the media speculate and fabricate ... they do that well.
He is not getting the benefit of the doubt from me but happy to recant if he delivers us a tier-1 coach in 30 min or less. Otherwise, is Papa John still available? Always thought his pizzas were better anyways
I believe DB knew from the beginning that he might have to replace RR this year and that he had a list of candidates. I don't think the only name on that list was Harbaugh.
Most of the very successful coaches we know today (e.g. Tressel) were unknown before their current job so it is imperative that we cut a little slack for the new hire. Our returning starters and redshirt freshmen are looking at an easier schedule next year and might have some success. This will hopefully stop all the garbage that we hear and read on a daily basis.
If RR sits out a year, that would probably prevent Denard from transferring because he obviously wouldn't know where to go. I can't believe he would leave his friends to play for a coach and teammates he doesn't know. The attrition will be small compared to what happened three years ago.
Almost nothing would make me happier than seeing RR hoist the nc trophy a few years down the road. I would take a picture and send it to some of the local media who have hounded him from the beginning. The only better site would be to see our next coach lift it up to a unified fan base.
has nothing to do with offense. Miles has lowered himself to the SEC level and has gotten greasy as a result. He was just portrayed in a terrible light a few weeks ago on an Outside the Lines on oversigning. Also, there were lots of rumors about him snakeoiling recruits from Michigan by making claims that Lloyd's health was on the verge of giving out (or something along those lines). LSU got a couple of recruits from Michigan, and they snakeoiled cornerback Jai Eugene on signing day a few years ago.
And yes, you will most likely have to wait for the site to rise like a Phoenix from the recent days' ashes to change your avatar.
Here's a potential list.
-Past shady recruiting practices, in re Lloyd's health
You forgot eating grass.
-Doinking wives of other asst. coaches
Or Head Coaches
Other than being bat-shit crazy, there is nothing wrong with Les Miles.
I actually want to send Dave Brandon an email with that subject line, even though I'm pretty sure he's filtering through the random emails sent to him by alumni and fans. But maybe if a bunch of us sent that email ....
Anyway, I've decided that Charlie Strong would be a fantastic hire - very good defensive coach, great recruiter, awesome name, fairly young, etc. Plus, he kind of looks like a badass, which thanks to the Power of Groban might be a welcome change for our image.*
Normally, I would think this would be doable: we could offer more money, more prestige, far better facilities and institutional resources, etc. Also, Louisville is puported to be a bit of a shithole, so it's not like we're convincing him to leave NorCal.
Here's the catch: since the timeline is so fucking short at this point, Strong will effectively be putting the dagger in his current school's back, since they'll have almost no time at all to name a successor before signing day. Many of the apparently stand-up guys we might want to hire will balk at this, undoubtedly.
Still, I'm going to hope and pray that Brandon moves heaven and earth to get Strong ... which will at least give me something to focus on until I'm inevitably disappointed with whoever we finally convince to come here in Februrary.
So yeah - if anyone wants to give me Dave's email address and join me in my barrage of CHARLIE STRONG messages to his inbox, holla.
3 of the 5 qualities you listed (awesome name, fairly young, kind of looks like a badass) do not rank terribly high on the list of qualities I look for in our next head coach. Nice plusses, all of them, but there are more important measurements.
I guess you went ahead and took those seriously, huh? For god's sake man, don't ask me to put a fey little smiley face like that Irish fucker when I'm goofing around in a comment.
Actually, I stand by "fairly young" as a positive attribute. Maybe it would make sense if it read "not old," or "not kinda old like Les Miles." Not as important as other characteristics, but not negligible, I'd say.
But the big things Strong has: very successful defensive coach, reputed to have considerable leadership qualities and charisma, killer recruiter in Florida ... these things would seem to recommend the man. Plus he's not in a situation that looks impossible to pry him away from.
I like Strong a lot. But he has always struck me as a really good guy. I suspect leaving after only one year this late is something he probably wouldn't do.
I think that's an important point wrt ANY of the coaching options out there. If these are 'stand up' guys that 'do the right thing' then leaving their current team in the lurch on the eve of nat'l signing day would probably be fairly uncomfortable and unpalatable. This to me is one of the huge flaws in the whole 'process.' We're essentially saying we want men of character, discipline, etc. (Michigan Man characteristics) but because we're doing it at such a late hour in the overall scheme of things, we're also basically saying we want them to veer from those principles to accept our overtures just because we're Michigan.
That's my biggest beef with the timing of the 'process.' Do it in Dec. and you can have a standard (at least for a major leadership change) transition. But doing it this way basically ensures there is bad blood, casualties (recruiting, etc.), hypocrisy, and/or all of the above.
I agree. no coach wants to lose out on two recruiting classes in the same year, it has to be quite disheartening.
Any post meeting comments from the players, yet?
anyone catch what Cox had allegedly put up as his facebook status? Someone posted it during the liveblog.
yeah, it had about as much class as the average buckeye education.
what a douchebag.
If he actually changed his status from "Coach Rod" to "Dick Rod," then jebus. If that's at all a shared sentiment, then I'm not optimistic that Denard will return, or that it will be a happy locker room next year.
Are you a current player on the team? Do you know how Cox was treated by Rodriguez? You don't? Do you think calling one of our current athletes a douchebag is appropriate?
DB is in such a bad spot now, he has no choice but to throw alot of money at someone, and that won't sit well with alot of people.
Never be the one to set the reservation price... which is bascially what DB did today when he told the world that Michigan will no longer be middle of the pack in HC pay.
he has no choice but to throw alot of money at someone, and that won't sit well with alot of people.
Unless that "someone" is Jim Harbaugh. Seriously, I think people will just be happy to have a damn coach again. We'll squabble about him over the next 240 days or so and argue about them being good enough or not, but I for one will be relieved when someone is hired, regardless of the cost. Hell, as an alum now, I's be willing to throw in a little bit of my share to get the big money to land the guy we NEED to get.
As I told me mom today when she asked me if I was sad to see RR go:
"No, I'm just pissed that we don't have a coach AT ALL now!"
I think that sums up a lot of people's angst during the presser today. Money is secondary or even tertiary at this point.
I love the word normal.......would like things to get back there.
There was an article in the Washington Post today about a high school student athlete who was about to leave for early enrollment at UConn only to find out about Edsall leaving UConn to become the new head coach at Maryland. The article pointed out that if he attended even one class at UConn and then wanted to transfer, he would have to sit out for a year. That is a pretty harsh rule when it is applied to kids who find themselves in that situation, as will a few new students who said they wanted to enroll early at Michigan so that they could participate in spring practice. There are a lot of ripple effects from what happened today that are truly unfortunate. I hope things happen quickly enough for them to be able to be fully informed about one of the most important decisions they will get to make.
Here are the big names, with my odds:
Les Miles, 3-1: He truly is a Michigan Man, and he's won a national title. There's been a lot of talk about how he still secretly would like to get this job and doesn't feel appreciated at LSU. But he does have a hefty buyout.
Brady Hoke, 4-1: Gets the Michigan Man tag because he was a Lloyd Carr assistant, and Carr figures to have more input in the search this time around. Hoke did a very good job at Ball State and San Diego State, but many UM fans are still lukewarm about him. It's certainly a bigger jump from SD State to Michigan than from WVU to Michigan.
Gary Patterson, 5-1: Coming off a fantastic season at TCU. His teams are 25-1 in their past 26, and you'd think if anyone could fix the mess that is the horrible Wolverines D, it's Patterson. Plus, his offense would fit with Denard Robinson. I also think he'd have a hard time saying no if offered, but will Michigan folks buy in? No head coach is more hands-on. If they thought RichRod could be rough, Coach P might make him seem like Mack Brown.
Jim Harbaugh, 6-1: Until he signs an NFL contract he's still a contender here. Did an unbelievable job turning a dismal Stanford program into a powerhouse that was as physical as any team in the country. The Cardinal played like Michigan used to.
Jon Gruden, 8-1: Flirted with a few college searches before and supposedly would like to stay in the broadcast booth at least for another year, but my hunch is he'd be very tempted by Michigan and would be curious to try out all that scheme studying he has done of Chip Kelly's and Urban Meyer's offenses the past few years.
Mike Trgovac, 15-1: Longtime NFL assistant Trgovac was a star D-lineman at Michigan (he played in three Rose Bowls) and spent five years as the Carolina Panthers' DC. He certainly is a Michigan Man and also a well-respected defensive presence, although having not been a head coach hurts.
Kyle Whittingham, 20-1: Stock may have fallen a little in the past two months after the Utes got routed a few times this season, but still a hot commodity and like Patterson, would bring a tough, physical style and boost a bad D.
Chris Petersen, 25-1: Boise State's head coach is well-regarded but always has been reluctant to leave the land of the blue turf for supposedly greener pastures.
Fuck Les Miles. This board and others have already gone over how poisonous he is as a person and in-game coach. LSU is currently winning in spite of him...partly because somehow the other team screws up even more than Miles.
Fuck Brady Hoke. The "Michigan Man" tag is really all he has to his name. As Desmond Howard said, this should mean jack shit in the search. Took 6 seasons to get over .500 at Ball State and has never been a head coach (or coordinator) in a BCS conference.
Mike Trgovac shouldn't be anywhere near this list.
I'm not sure about Trgovac. :)
Fuck Mike Trgovac, too.
Here's the order I would take those:
6. Gruden - has never been more than a position coach at the college level
7. Trgovac - ditto, and has never been a head coach at any level, might make a good DC
8. Miles - old, don't like him as a game coach, runs a sketchy program
The young, upcoming, and very promising Nick Sheridan! He should be between Patterson and Peterson, IMO. Kid's gonna be DYNAMITE!
I'm liking your list, especially the top 4.
Hoke MAY be palatable if he can pull in some major assistant coaches, but Hoke alone is not going to excite high school recruits.
Your post beat me to my question.
But I also think DB meant that statement FOR the big names like JH, Patterson, Mullen and Peterson, not the Brady Hokes of the world. If we have to settle for Hoke in the end, I doubt we'll be making it rain for him.
DB made the point of saying that they will no longer be "middle of the pack" with paying the coach's salary. Which available candidates are worth ~$5M? Harbaugh, Miles, and ??? You don't pay an unproven Hoke, Fitzgerald, or I'll go as far to say Patterson or Petersen, given the conferences they play in. Does DB have a big name coach in waiting, or was that to draw other names?
we need a unified fan base whoever the hell our next coach is
good luck friend, just good luck.
officially the worst day in the 29 years of my being a Michigan football fan. Im done, it was a hell of a ride but for me it's all come to an end, thanks mgoblog for partly ruining my last season as a M fan with the inability to see a bigger picture (not all of you), thank you dave brandon for making probably the worst decision in the history of M football moving forward, thank you to all the haters, idiots who don't know shit about shit. My only hope from here on out is that RR goes somewhere and comes back to beat the shit out of M in the Big House, blah blah tell me i was never a true fan, you'd be wrong, i have lived died laughed and cried from day one, but i now realize that life is way bigger than this shit, dave brandon is trippin, goodbye denard it was fun while it lasted. goodbye the other 20 kids who are gonna transfer, Michigan=Notre Dame. Sorry people, don't fool yourselves, anyone who thinks firing RR was a good decision is without a doubt living in the dark. Last post ever goodbye.
When I say that we don't really care.
Michigan=Notre Dame. Sorry people, don't fool yourselves, anyone who thinks firing RR was a good decision is without a doubt living in the dark. Last post ever goodbye
Think more like Alabama post Bear Bryant. They chased off a some decent coaches who were not from the Bear's coaching family and I see the same BS playing out here with the Old Guard wanting the mythical Michigan Man as a coach. Until the Old guard is gone we may be in for more of the same.
All I heard was this high-pitched whining noise then a door swiftly closing. Oh well, I guess we'll never know what that really was....
Michigan Men stay and root for their team regardless of who the coach is and whether some fans or alumni abuse them!
Oh my God we killed Kenny! Us bastards!
Yeah way to be a drama queen. At least gsimms was well-respected around here when he vanished.
Please take all of your 450 MGoPoints with you.
Promise? Cause we'll hold you to it.
But I did really want to ask you: you've been a fan for 29 years and still use "trippin'"?
Too bad you won't be around to answer.
(OK, not really)
No one wants to join the Charlie Strong Mafia with me? If even the MGoBoard isn't taking the possibility seriously - the same group that has occasionally touted Gruden and Meyer - than I'm afraid he's not on DB's radar either.
I'd be up for Charlie Strong. And I'm sure he's come across Brandon's mind -- with all the emails, calls, and looking-through-the-records-of-recent-hires he's doing, I'm sure he's come to mind. But then again, probably has every other HC in D1.
*edit,YES! Finally back in!!
Ummm...In three years what is one positive thing Rich Rod has done for Michigan on the football field...the blind Rich Rod love is amazing...wow