i refuse to even consider this a possibility
It looked like a domino effect. They both were hospitalized for concussions.
There's no excuse for what Jamaal did and it was completely wrong but 8 years is crazy. I'm sure it will end up being lowered but that's insane. I'm interested in seeing what ends up happening as NIU is my second team.
Completely agree about the eight years, but it is possible the kid from Toledo was seriously injured, so who knows. Barring some pretty significant injury caused, that does not look like an offense that should carry that much time. He does need to be off the team, no question, and charges needed to be filled.
If the band member was seriously injured then I totally agree with the punishment. I never heard what sort of injuries he sustained. I agree with the comments below that this could have been avoided by not having the band and the team on the field at the same time but obviously there is still no excuse to have this incident occur.
Considering that he is STILL on the football team, meaning he is still on scholarship, I am guessing that the 8 years possible jailtime is largely due to the fact that the prosecutor appears to be the only one that gives a damn. The school hasn't done anything so the law must step in. My guess is that he will now be thrown off the team or something, it should depend on how bad the band member was hurt, does anyone know?
He was suspended 1 game initially and then 3 games when the team found out the band members had concussions. I think that's fairly stern but I don't know. The five Southern Miss band members that were chanting "where's your green card" during the bball tournament all lost their scholarships.
he was suspended for one by his coach, and then two from the MAC, from what I read. Whether or not this was due to the concussions, I don't know.
This story makes it sound like the coach extended the suspension after he found out the members were injured. Either way, I think there's probably a happy medium somewhere between a 3 game suspension and 8 years in the gray bar motel.
this doesn't look like a felony to me. Still, the guy recklessly caused two concussions at minimum, and there could be other evidence we haven't seen. I got the MAC impression from this article, although I am confused after seeing the one you posted. Who knows...
Your story is from a national source and mine was from a Chicago reporter. He may have just been trying to help NIU's coach save some face with the locals.
He's only been indicted, i.e. charged. I'd guess the charge will be lowered to some kind of misdemeanor or something. Then again, we're talking about Ohio so all bets are off.
Is it a malicious act? Absolutely. A bigger question is what the hell was the band still doing on the field at that point? Terrible communication by the stadium crew. The whole event could have been avoided. Even if he doesn't hit the kid, someone still could have been hurt.
Let's not do the thing where we blame the victim for being there.
That's not what I said at all. The player deserves everything he gets. I am just wondering why the band was still there when the players were running onto the field as that is not something that should happen.
Now the PC Nazis will start making marching band members wear pads in case this ever happens again. This is a strange case indeed. I don't understand why the band members didn't seem to be in any hurry to get out of the way.
Edit: Is it my comment in general or the fact I used the term "PC Nazis"?
Well just look at the way he was dressing. He was asking for it.
he's blaming the stadium crew or event operations for the mis-timing of halftime show. There is a reason why event staff make teams wait until the field is cleared for warm-ups so there wouldn't be incident like this.
Speaking of Molly incident, Cornell mascot refused to leave the ice and had to exit at the exact same entrance as Michigan Hockey team. This kind of thing is why event operations exist so there wouldn't be any fights or provoked assaults.
Thats as bad as saying, "she shouldn't have dressed so sluty." Its not the bands fault some kid got over excited and gave someone a Tito Santana flying forearm.
Please stop trying to thinly analogize what I said with implications of sexual assault.
Apparently the band was leaving and the football team came on early, before the entire team had a chance to leave. The band is not expected to run full speed just cause the team wants to come on, and if you notice the video it does look like the vast majority of the band had left and so yeah, don't really see how this changes anything.....you are in pads and you launch at a defenseless band member, nothing else should matter.
I just watched the video and am shocked that charges were even filed let alone this guy potentially getting 8 years.
It definitely looks to me like he knowingly or recklessly caused physical harm, based on the viedo, in my opinion.
The felony is far less obvious, as it mandates that:
or that the assault take place with a weapon.
He should be able to get out of the felony. He led with his shoulder and not with his helmet.
I don't see a felony either, unless his action here caused a pretty bad injury. Look at the video, I see one other NIU player leave his feet, and that's while he's surrounded by teammates and some type of coach/trainer.
Bass jumped and his shoulder pad connected with the chin of an opposing team's band, and the kid crumples. According to this Yahoo! article, both band members were hospitalized with concussions. If someone hit me in the head and caused a concussion, I'd be wondering how his actions didn't (at the least) recklessly cause physical harm.
I'm with you...I didn't really even see the hit to the band member. Scraped him with the shoulder pads, maybe. Bass basically jumped straight up and down. After the OP, I was expecting a lowered-shoulder tackle.
The guy went down like a sack of potatoes.
Dude, the band members is without pads and might be a skinny guy to start with. Not to mention that he is BAND member, not at all expected to take a hit, nor should he.
Haha I assume you're responding to my sack of potatoes comment.
I more meant that as an observation than support of my argument. I'd go down with a shoulder to the chin from a division 1 football player, too.
It still doesn't change the fact that intent isn't clear and even if there is intent, the 'crime' is more circumstance than premeditated assault. "Hey let's go kinda scrape a band members face on the way out there guys."
I have a feeling so does the school, why he is still playing! I hardly believe he had any intent here to hurt anyone, even if he did! NO way these charges stick at all....
To me, it looks like he was going for one of those mid air shoulder/chest bumps that players commonly do. In this case, however, there was no other player and he just collided with the band member instead. I'd be kind of surprised if the band member was seriously injured from that. There's no doubt the player made a mistake, but, based on the video, I don't think he was intending to hurt anybody.
Just to clear it up, His sentence is NOT 8 years. He hasn't even been tried yet, much less convicted.
8 years is the maximum that he could get, in most crime convictions, the actual penalty is much less than the maximum allowed.
I'm sure the lawyers who peruse this site have more insight than i do, but i wouldn't be surprised to see this setled out of court and him get probation, in addition to whatever NIU does to him
I still don't see a felony. Maybe two misdemeanor assualt convictions.
He received I believe a 3 game suspension last year after the incident occurred so it will be interesting to see if anything happens for 2012. Probably depends on the outcome of the indictment. I would think if he ends up being charged and facing any time then he would face further suspension or removal from the team but if he gets something such as probation then he might not be suspended further by the school. I know they're waiting to see what the final outcome is from the legal proceedings.
I may get negged here, but I just don't see it. I mean see "it" but I don't see anything worth 8 years or even a day in jail here. It's absolutely possible he acted with malicious intent here, but if this video is what we're basing our decisions off of, who's to say he wasn't just jumping around (albeit ill timed) like lots of guys doing when running on to the field? Who's to say he didn't horribly miss time a jump to try to get out of the way of someone else? Wrong place, wrong time for the guys on both ends of this is what it looks like to me.
I know there must be some other side of the story I clearly don't know about if he has pending felony charges against him for this, but as someone viewing this video for the first time, I think this just shows a band getting in the way of a football team. I say if Jamaal Bass gets locked up for it, lets go ahead and belatedly pursue a life sentence for Kevin Moen of Cal while we're at it.
Ok, now neg away or enlighten me as to what I'm clearly missing here.
Watching the video, I seriously thought he was just trying to get a shoulder bump off the kid.
Agreed. Something must've horrendously gone wrong because the band students should never be put in that kind of situation. Criss-crossing with the opposing football team? You're just asking for something like this. It's really hard to tell if he's just jumping (common) or if it was with malicious intent. In an ideal world he would've stopped to make sure the band player he just nailed was all right and maybe helped him off, but who does that anymore?
He won't get 8 years. Maybe a misdemeanor. I'd direct my blame at the event staff to figure out what the hell happened. Did the band start/leave late? Did the football players run onto the field too early? This kind of stuff, especially if it were a rivalry (hell, the MSU players brought the Paul Bunyan trophy over to the MMB and taunted us with it after the game. I was about five feet from the trophy), can't happen. It jeapordizes the safety of the band.
So, it's OK for a Cincinnati basketball player to sucker punch an opponent in the face, and he doesn't get charged because he is a hometown player, but this guy from out of town gets a felony charge for pushing someone in Toledo?
Typical Ohio double-standard: "Worst State Ever," indeed.
I forgot about the Cincy player. Interesting viewpoint.
Haha, the legal system, I'll never understand it. On one hand, you have a prosecutor attempting to convict someone of what is most likely a celebratory and inconsidorate accident, though the video is unclear. In the other case, clear video evidence shows a guy getting blindsided by a punch to the side of the face and nothing happens.
Now THAT makes sense.
it's not ok. but just because the prosecutor was a useless piece of crap in that incident doesn't mean all prosecutors should be useless pieces of crap when it comes to all crimes perpetrated by athletes in uniform.
Joe Deters, worst prosecutor ever.
I expected to see a player run into the stands and punch a band member in the face or something in this video. Could it have been avoided? Definitely, but I'm not seeing an egregiously blatant act of violence on this video. A group of 100 jacked up college players wearing full pads are charging onto the field and getting ready to play football while a bunch of people are standing in the way. It is very possible that he is just running full steam, looking at the ground and jumping around to get pumped up. To me, there is nothing to see in that video other than some kids being in the wrong place at the wrong time. To call this kid a thug and deem this something worthy of clogging up our legal system even further is a joke in my eyes.
That's basically how I feel. Though it's impossible to know the guy's true intent. I doubt he gets jail time.
the first one he jumps into falls back and cracks another band member in the face who then is left dazed holding his/her face for the rest of the clip. Other articles indicate both band members suffered serious concussions.
Assuming he has no previous record, I seriously doubt he does any actual jail time for this.
I often worry about the safety of our own band whenever we play in Columbus.
Sometimes you're not even safe on the field.
Was that even a deliberate hit? It looks awkward more than malicious to me. I'm trying to recreate the motion here and it just seems clumsy. If I watched that video without reading the context with it I would chalked it up to "unfortunate incident wherein football player is not watching where he is going".
prosecute more criminal acts on the field. i'm all for it.
also i don't know what the hell the people who "don't see it" or think he was trying to chest bump the kid are possibly talking about. watch 0:11 to 0:15 or so. the guy launches his shoulder pad into the band member's chin. the band member's head goes back and he falls. that's a criminal act perpetrated against an unsuspecting and defenseless person. an indictment is exactly what should happen at this stage.
I see him changing direction and launching himself so he can hit the guy in the head. The fact that his team suspended him for 3 games would seem to belie the idea that it was an innocent act.
You and I must view 'criminal acts' very differently. If this is a criminal act, do we need to start arresting high schoolers that 'shoulder' other kids in the hallway now?
Bass already sat 3 (THREE!) games for this. I can't even tell if it is on purpose but c'mon, even if it was intentional he's already served a fair punishment for the 'crime'.
Let's go with that for a minute. If what he did was intentional, he maliciously caused a concussion to someone far smaller and weaker than himself well outside the field of play of a normal sporting event. For that, sitting three football games is appropriate?
I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think outcome should matter (that the guy fell with or without a concussion is irrelevant - same with the smaller and weaker parts). The parts that matter, in my opinion, are intent and maliciousness.
The first isn't clear and the second isn't bad.
Maybe that's not the law; I just don't think it's assault based on watching that video. Since it's not assault, he should either a.) not get punished because it's determined it was an accident or b.) be suspended for behavior unbecoming a student-athlete at his school.
I can see what you're saying, but I disagree. Since we've disagreed throughout on two or three things throughout the entire thread and both have seen the information available, there probably isn't much more to say...
Other than asking where you were when the thread about Brandon's blog turned into a mini-discussion on price elasticity of demand for tickets at blue blood football programs. I was expecting to see some impressive price point elasticity calculations and whatnot. Gotta put that degree to work on MGoBlog, HardwareSushi.
Haha I know, I missed that thread and by the time I saw it, discussion was over. Believe it or not based on today's posting frequency but I've been busy at work. Maybe one rainy weekend I'll actually be constructive and make a diary about something along those lines.
I do like these legal ones because they get into fundamental viewpoints where both people can be right based on their views. I think you're right about this topic - we just disagree.
Let alone a crime or crimes that constitute an 8 yr prison sentence for a 20 yr old college kid. Was it poor judgement? Certainly but not a crime. I didnt see a shank or even an elbow to the face. He just bumped him. This is something most of us have done accidentally before.
How many years did Legarrette Blount serve for his punch? Woody Hayes for his?
Is that they were both punching a football player with a helmet, pads, and having a D-1 football player's heft. This was a paddless, defenseless, BAND member who likely is not all that hefty. If he were a trombone player, I could see hefty. That said, big difference to being charged and being convicted. I don't know why everyone is jumping on the 8 years part, its so early in the prosecutorial process.
So if you punch a bigger, stronger person, you shouldn't have as harsh a penalty? There are pretty big people that have serious concussion problems. By your argument, if Keith Primeau was the band member and got a concussion from it, the penalty should be somehow less.
Also, I don't know why you mentioned pads and helmets. Both punches he was talking about hit neither a pad or a helmet. That they were wearing them at the time has nothing to do with the punch thrown.
I have never understood why running after practice is the solution to anything. We used to run poles after baseball games for every mental error the team made during the game. All we ever learned was who was out of shape.
I should have been clearer. We all ran for mistakes that anyone on the team made. I think that type of punishment assumes that the players aren't already trying as hard as they can and they will try harder in order to avoid doing extra work. I don't really remember it being motivational for anyone involved. I also ran cross country so it wasn't a big deal for me.
Or take the time to show them what they did wrong instead of sending them on a run. At the youth level, I never understood sending a kid on a run instead of coaching him up.
Ha, how far America has come... Remember "THE BAND IS ON THE FIELD THE BAND IS ON THE FIELD!!!!!!" to 8 years felonious assault for elbowing two in the head causing concussions in a completely irrelevant Bowl Game.
evincing an ability to "see" a felony. It's amazing that some people have to actually read laws and stuff to know what is and is not a felony, while you guys have the ability to just perceive it directly.