Night Games Open Thread 9/28

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#21 Ole Miss @ #1 Alabama (ESPN)

#10 Texas A&M @ Arkansas (ESPN2)

Arizona @ #16 Washington (FOX)

#20 Florida @ Kentucky (ESPNU)

#23 Wisconsin @ #4 Ohio State (ABC)

 

alum96

September 28th, 2013 at 10:05 PM ^

It hurts me to think Urbz could be 24-0 to start his career.  SOmeone must stop this.   Looking at the schedule everyone knows the @NW game is the big one other than @UM to get them a defeat. If something wacky happens maybe @ILL can be a trap game.  I dont see PSU Iowa or Indiana doing much in the Horseshoe.  But probability says yes they will play a dumb game 1-2x this year and give an opportunity for a lesser than team to beat them.  The question is where, and which team.  Very difficult to go undefeated even for the best teams - thats why there are normally just 2-3 teams who do it, at most.  OSU is superior physically and talent than anyone in the Big 10 but its not Alabama.

alum96

September 28th, 2013 at 10:10 PM ^

I am sorry the jury is "not out" on if UM is "better" than OSU this year.  They are not.  But UM can still beat OSU - any given day.  Name me one position group on offense UM is better than OSU.  There isn't any.  We can have debates on defense position groups  (I.e. I think our LBs with JMFR are better, our DL worse, and the DB I don't know)  but if you are objective you cannot spot the other team an entire side of the ball, being better than every one of your position groups (offense) and then say the jury is out who has more talent. 

Perkis-Size Me

September 28th, 2013 at 9:48 PM ^

Yeah why Wisconsin was not sitting back and playing prevent defense on that last play of the half escapes me. Got to keep everything in front of you. Then again, if your defensive back comes down with that gimme of a pick then you don't have to worry about it.

Still, OSU is looking beatable. Happy to get those guys at home. Defending our home turf for three complete seasons will likely be on the line that day.

charblue.

September 28th, 2013 at 9:53 PM ^

I can't believe that Miller finds wide open guys in the final moments of these games, and he never gets picked. It's incredible. I mean he just chucks it. 

And Roby has interefered all night and not called once. This crew seems more interested in not calling anything. I have no idea why the illegal formation was called on the muffed punt. They showed Borland doing the same alignment twice. 

 

alum96

September 28th, 2013 at 9:55 PM ^

General thoughts - both offensive lines are miles ahead of ours which is just sad panda.  Both teams have better RBs - 2 of them...also sad panda.  8 months ago I thought Gardner was on par as a passer to Miller but superior as a runner.  Right now I have to tip my hat to their offensive staff for developing a QB - the strides Miller has made from his freshman year to junior as a PASSER are leaps and bounds past what this staff did with Denard.  Seeing that 16-0 record next to Urban makes me puke.   I am afraid it is going to be 2 more average years for UM, beating up on some softies, having way too close games versus average teams and not quite being there against the better teams.  Thankfully in our conference there might just be 1 of those. 

WIth all the talk of the balance of the top 4 teams in our division it is probable the best 2 teams lay in the other division this year.  Wisconsin isn't great but their physicality would not be a good match up for us right now with so much youth on our team. As I think ahead to 2014 and an offense without Fitz, Gallon, Dielo, Lewan, Schofield - headed into the horseshoe I weep a bit.  Not to sound like a downer because this year, being at home with the emotion of it all, I expect a close game and our defense to be better... and the 2014 defense to be the team strength.  But we literally have about 9-10 starters out of our 2010/2011 classes and other than Jake Ryan, Countess and Devin when he is on - none of those can be marked as "special" players.  The team speed on Ohio, for all their defensive errors (they are as young as us on D) is impressive.  The way we are going to win is thru the air as we need a Notre Dame like performance from Devin - that is where they are weak right now.  We won't run on that team with that speed.

bronxblue

September 28th, 2013 at 10:14 PM ^

I'm not sold on OSU's offensive line; Wiscy's defensive front hasn't played particularly great.  And for all the talk about Miller being a better passer, I'd like to see him play a defense that doesn't allow WRs to run unobstructed 40 yards down the line to end a half.  He's a good athlete, but he's about where Denard was under RR when it comes to passing, and that can fall apart on you quickly.  Of course, they have Guitton who can come in to spell Miller if he does break down, so there's that.  And while Miller is the same grade as Devin, remember he's been a starter for quite a bit longer than Devin and had some really clunker games (look at 2012 Purdue, for example) that his team pulled out.  

I know people are all doom and gloom about the offense and the team, but this is still the team that played well against a decent ND team - let's not read too much into being beaten by a pretty good Oklahoma team - and has shown a far more stout defense than many expected.  

What Wiscy does every year is absolutely crush cupcakes and leaves people thinking they are going to run roughshod over the Big 10, then they stumble against decent defenses.  Their running game is very good, but Stave at QB is average at best.  

OSU is clearly the class of the conference right now, but quite a bit can change as the season progresses.  I see UM slotting into that 3rd-4th spot depending on which MSU offense shows up and if Nebraska can just outscore everyone.  But I also thought UM was the significantly worse team last year against OSU and nearly won despite not having their star QB anywhere close to 100% and trying to basically run a new offense on the fly.

alum96

September 28th, 2013 at 10:24 PM ^

I don't think Nebraska OR MSU or NW are particularly good.   Put Nebraska offense with MSU defense and there - you have a heck of a team.  But those 2 teams have one tire fire unit, while NW is above average on offense but I suspect will get exposed badly on defense once they get to the more physical portion of their schedule.  The Big 10 is so bad I dont see UM being worst than 4th in the conference.  We dont have a great unit like Neb or MSU but we dont have an awful unit like they do.  Our offense is the weakness but an "on" Devin can erase a lot of other weaknesses.  I expect our defense to continue to improve as the year progresses - that is how Mattison defenses have rolled the past 2 years. 

beevo

September 28th, 2013 at 9:58 PM ^

Mattison will need to play a major role if we are to contain OSU. They put alot of pressure on a defense and capitalize on indecision. We will need a healthy JMFR for sure. We will be in nickel most of the game so hopefully we tighten things up with our DBs. I'm a little worried about Bolden and his inconsistent coverage skills. We really need to beat those guys this year.

charblue.

September 28th, 2013 at 10:03 PM ^

Michigan based on their matchups. Miller is an athlete, not a quarterback. He isn't polished; he's raw. And he has more starts than Devin. This is his first game against a team with a pulse this year. He's very gifted. But he is no dynamic quarterback. 

Both the Buckeyes and Badgers have veteran Olines with more upperclassmen than Michigan. So there's that. They each have great backs, but their running games are pretty average tonight and both teams are using them only to make the passing game work. This is a slugfest, not a showcase of talent. 

Whoever makes the least mistakes and executes better, wins. Advantage Ohio. 

MGoStrength

September 28th, 2013 at 10:20 PM ^

They go RS So, RS Jr, Sr, Sr, RS Jr.  We go RS Sr, RS Sr, RS So, RS Fr, RS So.  If you add up all the years in the system their offensive has 19 years and we have 18.  But, Lewan & Schofield make up so many of those and the other guys have so few starts.

TheGhostofChappuis

September 28th, 2013 at 10:34 PM ^

How many pass attempts does Miller have this year?  30? 35?  And from that I'm supposed to conclude that's he's totally reformed as a passer?  Give me a break. 

There isn't any evidence to support that argument.  His QB rating as a sophomore was 2 pts higher than his freshman year.  HIs completion percentage went up a mere 4%.  His TD/Int ratio got worse.  His ADJ QBR got worse.  

That's how I can argue with what he said.

alum96

September 28th, 2013 at 10:19 PM ^

Agreed.  And I am not comparing him to Devin - he has way more experience than Devin.  Miller of first half 2012 is where Devin is now in experience.  But a year from now Devin needs to be looking like Miller - efficient, relatively accurate, good decision making on a CONSISTENT basis (not 1 game superman, 2 games super-ugh)... or the staff has failed on developing these 2 QBs in a row.   I am comparing Braxton to Denard however as they looked very similar 3 years ago, and Miller looks like a taller more physical version of Troy Smith right now.  I am not saying he is the best QB in the world or a 2nd round pick - I am just saying he is looking like a top notch college QB and a mess to deal with.  And that staff has made a very obvious difference in his development in the passing game.  HE is also surrounded with way more talent than Devin has now or Denard had last year.  Sadly.