Night Games [open thread]
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7:30 PM |
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Commonwealth Stadium, Lexington, KY |
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7:30 PM | FOX | Royal Texas Memorial Stadium, Austin, TX |
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8:00 PM | BTN | Beaver Stadium, University Park, PA |
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8:00 PM | BTN | Kinnick Stadium, Iowa City, IA |
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8:00 PM |
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Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum, Los Angeles, CA |
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9:15 PM |
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Bryant-Denny Stadium, Tuscaloosa, AL |
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10:30 PM | FOXS1 | Rose Bowl, Pasadena, CA |
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10:30 PM | CBSSN | Bulldog Stadium , Fresno, CA |
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11:00 PM | PAC12 | Arizona Stadium, Tucson, AZ |
Looking forward to UF/UK and Cal/Texas at 7:30p...probably going to stick with those games until Ole Miss Bama (not really a fan of the Stanford/USC game this year). Then excited for the BYU/UCLA matchup tonight.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:06 PM ^
over tradition, pride, and defense attorneys.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:09 PM ^
It's like the one Big Ten game PSU might win.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:23 PM ^
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September 19th, 2015 at 8:02 PM ^
Oh no Texas...
I feel so bad for Charlie.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:03 PM ^
And I really think Mark Stoops is a solid coach.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:05 PM ^
Dude clearly is the next Bear Bryant.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:06 PM ^
September 19th, 2015 at 8:08 PM ^
have winning season or two before claiming he is a good coach. Brady Hoke won 12 games at Ball State which is not easy to win at. Is he a good coach?
September 19th, 2015 at 8:11 PM ^
he's a TREMENDOUS coach.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:07 PM ^
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September 19th, 2015 at 8:10 PM ^
in the ESS EE SEE and people are throwing tomatoes at him now.
Limited success at a school that traditionally struggles doesn't necessarily that a guy is a good coach.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:15 PM ^
Wins and losses are the best barometer of a coach, but it's not the ONLY barometer.
Harbaugh had 1 more win than Stoops at this point in his D1 career. ONE.
I'm not even saying Stoops is Harbaugh, he's not. But you also can't look at W-L record and say that it's how you judge a coach.
If you looked at Harbaugh at this point at Stanford you would've thought he was awful.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:16 PM ^
For every analogy to Harbaugh I can point to Hoke. The truth is that you don't have enough data yet to make an intelligent judgment of the man.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:25 PM ^
YOU don't have enough data to make YOUR point.
You're using record at this point in a career to make your argument and I shot it down. I only need one example.
You're saying something can't happen and I proved that it did...or well, Harbaugh actually proved it. I didn't do anything but share that information with you.
I've said at least two times that win-loss record isn't the only measuring stick for a new head coach. I said that I believe it's the most important...but it's not the only one. And Harbaugh proves that statement to be accurate. It's that simple.
I made a comment and you followed it up with a bullshit sarcastic remark about record and then tried to defend it. Especially when your beloved head coach had a similar record.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:25 PM ^
My point is that he hasn't proven a thing yet. The paucity of data proves that. You are wrong and you just can't accept it. You insist on cliaming what has not yet been happened. That is a argument that has no factual basis.
Come back when you have facts.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:27 PM ^
I gave you an exception to your assumption. And you, in the end..are wrong because of it.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:38 PM ^
You insist on ignoring that.
Rich Brooks did well at UK. Stoops hasn't met that level. Yet you keep insisting on slapping a label he hasn't earned yet. That is not logical nor correct.
You calling someone wrong when you are presenting an argument based on conjecture amuses me. It's a terrible argument, yet you can't see it.
No one knew that Harbaugh would be a great coach when he was struggling at Stanford. He went on and earned his current status. Stoops has not earned done that yet.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:43 PM ^
And it was like 10 years ago.
Tyrone Willingham was just as good at Stanford...does that mean Harbaugh had it easy?
Use your logic and answer that please.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:47 PM ^
Tyrone Willingham was not good at Stanford. He had one seaon where he went 8-4...that's it. Just like Greg Schiano is not a good coach just because he took Rutgers to 9-4 and James Franklin is not a good coach just because he took Vanderbilt to 9-4. It takes more than an okay season at a school that traditionally struggles to consider someone a good coach.
Your argument doesn't work because Mark Stoops has not even had an okay season yet. All he's shown is that he can recruit...just like James Franklin.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:51 PM ^
I had an OPINION that he's a good coach.
The argument is either that my opinion is wrong or that wins and losses are the only thing that matter when judging a coach.
(And Stanford was AWFUL...Willingham got the ND job from Stanford, similar to Fitzgerald's name always being floated at Michigan every time we have an opening - you have to realize what the expectations were back then and if you are under 25, that would be tough (not saying you are)...Stanford expectations were below Northwesterns. And he somehow went from there to Notre Dame. Doesn't make him a good coach, but clearly his record was respected enough to land a top job.)
September 19th, 2015 at 8:49 PM ^
The point I was trying to make with Brooks is that he did achieve a level of success at UK. Stoops hasn't achieved that yet. So how then can you have an opinion of his coaching acument when he hasn't proven it yet?
Btw, Stanford had success in the 70's and on and off before that. Stanford isn't the bottom dweller that UK is. So to be fair Stoops has it harder than Harbaugh did. Harbaugh at least could sell Elway. Who the hell can Stoops sell? Randall Cobb?
The point is that Stoops needs to prove it.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:55 PM ^
The point is...it's my opinion that he's a solid coach and you can't share any bit of data that is going to change that opinion. Because I can point to similar data to back up my opinion.
My opinion is based on more than wins and losses...so it cannot be disproved or changed by wins and losses.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:29 PM ^
You're not arguing facts...look at my post.
I said..."I think he's a solid coach"
You're arguing MY opinion. LOL
You're extra wrong in that case...not only does Harbaugh disprove everything your arguing...but the fact that I said "I think he's a solid coach" is clearly saying "this is my opinion" I never stated it as fact.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:33 PM ^
That's what I have been arguing. Your extraordinarily flawed argument is based on no facts, but raw emotion. You should try to think logically.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:39 PM ^
And I think that Mark Stoops is a solid coach.
It's that simple.
(And other guys who've been at shit schools in big conferences and built programs have also started in similar fashion. Go look at Bill Snyder and Art Briles...KSU and Baylor were ass before they showed up. Stanford was ass before Harbaugh.)
But it's not about finding other coaches...the fact is I stated an opinion and you tried to argue my opinion with facts...even though it wasn't nearly as farfetched as you thought, and I pointed to Harbaugh as my reason as to why it's not farfetched.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:46 PM ^
That's ultimately the problem. You are proclaiming him something which he has yet to prove. Those men you mentioned proved that they were good coaches over sustained success at their schools. Stoops has had no success yet. He make achieve that, but he hasn't done it.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:53 PM ^
I didn't scream from the mountaintops that he was a great coach.
I said, I think he's a solid coach. That's it.
You literally jumped on something that was even stated as opinion. You're so used to jumping on people who state opinion as fact that you didn't see...I never stated a fact.
You lost before you even won.
Then you started going down the win-loss road and Harbaugh, Briles and Snyder all turned out to be decent coaches after starting just like Stoops has started.
September 19th, 2015 at 9:27 PM ^
| W/L | Tot Off | Tot Def | |
| 2003 | 109 | ||
| 2004 | 61 | ||
| 2005 | 86 | ||
| 2006 | 49 | ||
| 2007 | 53 | ||
| 2008 | 24 | ||
| 2009 | 25 |
September 19th, 2015 at 9:29 PM ^
| W/L | Tot Off | Tot Def | |
| 2009 | 108 | ||
| 2010 | 42 | ||
| 2011 | 4 | ||
| 2012 | 2 |
http://mgoblog.com/diaries/coaching-candidate-mark-stoops-bloodlines-st…-
You made the mistake of thinking my opinion was only based on his time at Kentucky. It wasn't. It wasn't just his time at Arizona or FSU either...it's his entire career/background.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:11 PM ^
But look at Harbaugh's record at the same point at Stanford - a program that, like UK, was AWFUL!
They were ass in year 1, they went 5-7 last year with 2 conference wins...and they already have 2 conference wins this year in 3 games.
Year 3 and significant improvement.
He's the real deal.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:15 PM ^
He isn't any sort of deal. He hasn't done a damn thing thing yet.
No, they don't have two conference wins. This is their third game. The first game was vs ULL and the second South Carolina.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:17 PM ^
Head coaching record[edit]
| Year | Team | Overall | Conference | Standing | Bowl/playoffs | Coaches# | AP° | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Kentucky Wildcats (Southeastern Conference) (2013–present) | ||||||||
| 2013 | Kentucky | 2–10 | 0–8 | 7th (Eastern) | ||||
| 2014 | Kentucky | 5–7 | 2–6 | 6th (Eastern) | ||||
| 2015 | Kentucky | 3–0 | 2–0 | (Eastern) | ||||
| Kentucky: | 9–17 | 3–14 | ||||||
They already have this game as a win.
Anyway, that's not the point...you can look at Harbaugh and say the same thing you said about Stoops. It's not the only measuring stick. He's showing significant improvement and they're clearly a much better team in only 2 full seasons.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:21 PM ^
Simply put you lack the data to make your argument. Let this season and the next play out.
Rich Brooks did okay at UK so they have had some measure of success in the past decade. He needs to at least equal that before your argument becomes valid.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:26 PM ^
We're talking about your FIRST comment...which was 9-17/Bear Bryant.
Record does NOT mean everything. It's not the only thing. Proven by one Jim Harbaugh.
What don't you get about that...I completely understand that there are plenty of coaches like Hoke that support the comment. But that doesn't mean it's impossible to be a great head coach with that record.
How do you not get that?
September 19th, 2015 at 8:30 PM ^
How do you not get that great coaches prove it on the field? How do you not get that many a coach has seen improvements yet seen their program collapse?(Ron English, RichRod, etc)
Could he end up being great? Sure, but he also could be absolute shit. Both are equally possible. It's your insistence on his futurew greatness that is the problem. An insistence based on nothing but your emotions.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:33 PM ^
You're getting defensive because you can't win an argument when exceptions have been detailed to disprove your logic. And when you're arguing an opinion to begin with.
Now you're making up things...sounds like you're the one who's emotional buddy. Next are you going to start mocking me?
September 19th, 2015 at 8:43 PM ^
You proclaim him a solid coach despite lacking the data to prove that. You then reference Harbaugh, but neglect to note that Harbaugh's reputation did not start to develop until he whipped SC and then took Stanford to a 12-1 season. In other words, Harbaugh earned his label.
Your opinion is presumptive at best. You lack the data(which I have stated repeatedly) to make your claims. My opinion is that he hasn't proven a thing yet. I pointed to guys who were in similiar boats, but I most definitely did not say he was Hoke. In fact, I stated that he could end up being great or terrible.(or even somewhere in between).
Your proclamation that he is a good coach is annoying because he hasn't done a damn thing to deserve it yet. How about you let him have some winning seasons before saying that?
If he wins at UK I'll gladly accept admit you are right. But I have seen too many start out like Stoops only to fade.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:58 PM ^
You love to use your not as impressive vocabulary when you're losing an argument.
It's like people who cuss when they're losing...but only different.
Anyway, like I just said...you're arguing MY opinion, which you cannot disprove - especially with wins and losses because my opinion was not formed off wins and losses.
My opinion is also based on his success as a coordinator...did you take that into account before you chose to go back and forth with me?
Maybe you should've looked up the man before you just went to his wins and losses and tried to pick a fight.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:04 PM ^
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September 19th, 2015 at 8:08 PM ^
They're awful...
The SEC Network is now a million times better and even the Pac-12 Network has passed BTN.
Their programming is a JOKE (except for that show where they follow select players/teams around) and the camera b/s today was just awful.
SEC Network actually has decent programing outside of live games - I just never watch any of it...because, well, SEC.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:10 PM ^
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September 19th, 2015 at 8:07 PM ^
Cal having a defense is just weird.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:08 PM ^
No idea that Brett Greenwood (former Hawkeye) had been so badly injured - nice to see him lead the team out.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:08 PM ^
Just as we went nuts with the Block M under Brandon, Texas has done the same with the Longhorn logo. It's not enough for their uniforms to say "TEXAS" - they must have the Longhorn logo above that, too. Gotta reinforce the brand in customers' - er, fans' - minds.
September 19th, 2015 at 8:08 PM ^
September 19th, 2015 at 8:10 PM ^
September 19th, 2015 at 8:10 PM ^
Texas found its QB
September 19th, 2015 at 8:10 PM ^
Georgia is pretty much destroying S Carolina....Ark vs TT seems to be a decent game
September 19th, 2015 at 8:11 PM ^
September 19th, 2015 at 8:12 PM ^
Georgia will self destruct they always do