Nick Baumgardner drops a nuke on Nick Saban
Saban -- who has, of course, won four national titles at Alabama -- is literally in the middle of a situation where recruiting violations within his program were found. An assistant coach has been forced to resign and the school currently is awaiting the result of that NCAA investigation.
And if that were the only thing going here, it'd probably be enough. But it's not.
Like in 2009 when a businessman paid for stars Mark Ingram and Julio Jones to go on a fishing trip. Or in 2013 when a former Alabama player was caught giving Tide offensive lineman D.J. Fluker impermissible benefits. Or later that same yearwhen Saban had to fire a staffer after he paid safety Ha Ha Clinton-Dix.
Anyone remember that whole deal about the disassociated Alabama booster who continued to sell signed Crimson Tide merchandise -- from players who still were on the team -- back in 2014?
Yeah.
But there was Saban -- who has an NCAA rule honorarily named after him -- on Tuesday, demanding answers on whether or not a few summer camps would be on the up and up. So there was Harbaugh, who correctly decided to give the old "are you seriously going to sit there and say this with a straight face?" reply.
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2016/06/column_jim_harbaugh_nick_saban.html
Why, you're nothing but a big, fat Panda.... No, I'm THE big, fat Panda!
Seriously, how cool would it be if someone who gets their bread buttered by the SEC rather than follows Michigan lit up Saban like this?
Finebaum...Finebaum...Finebaum...anyone, Finebaum?
but my dick will. . ." - Ty Cobb
It is truly disturbing to see his gaze drift to the camera in those game interviews. Does he not understand how weird that is?
to describe these and probably about 90% of all sports interviews.
Specifically, with Todd Harris (11/24/03), at 1:31:
Shots. Fired.
Man. Down.
I'm jortling so hard right now. Or wish to be.
Ace sure has that mic drop down.
"I was amazed. I mean, didn't you find that amazing? I found it amazing."
Harbaugh's response to follow-up questions on the Harbaugh-Saban spat. In the video, you can clearly see Baumgardner standing next to Harbaugh, trying to stifle a grin.
It was a team yoga exercise... downward facing koala
I don't really understand this line of attack on Saban, other to point out that yes, he indeed has a history of running a program with violations.
These satellite camps do, in my opinion, open up more opportunities for third parties to get involved, much like the AAU situation. Just because Saban is guilty of past (and maybe current) infractions doesn't nullify his point.
This is turning into a mud-slinging contest between Saban, Harbaugh, and the supporters of each. But that's not the point of the discussion about satellite camps. The discussion is about whether it's good for the game overall.
Like I've said before, satellite camps are great/good/fine, but they need to be regulated more than they are.
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When Joe Kennedy was appointed the first Chairman of the SEC (not that SEC), it was pointed out that he was extremely well qualified because a crook would know the tricks a crook uses to cheat the public.
He runs a dirty program, so for him to suggest that the problem with satelite camps is the potential for recruiting violations rings a bit hollow.
"Saban is a disingenous hypocrite."
Yes, but that's nothing new.
Saban likes cheating. He just doesnt like when others could be on to potentially a new form of it, still sanctioned by NCAA.
he isn't saying what he's saying because he thinks it is good for the kids. He is saying what he is saying because he knows that they make it harder for Alabama and him. It's fine that he wants rules that benifit him and his program, Harbaugh and Michigan fans want the same thing. But the difference is, the hypocrisy in how this happens. Harbaugh is consistant in his message and his tacticts.
For Saban, even if you believe his argument is valid, his hypocrisy invalidates or at least devalues his argument as his intentions and reasons are not consistant with how he runs his program.
But every time this issue comes up, we find a way to devalue the speaker. Kirby Smart says something? He's just promoting the SEC! Saban says something? Hypocrite! Dabo Swinney? Protecting his recruiting territory!
That's my issue.
We've done a fine job of pointing out that Saban - who has always been slimey - is slimey. Water is wet, and the sky is blue.
Because something is obvious to you it shouldn't be said? Saban is smearing Harbaugh and Michigan by equating satellite camps with rules violations and saying it's bad for football or "the kids". Are you saying you'd rather our coach not respond to such hypocritical and disengenuous statements, especially when coming from the sports highest profile coach using his bully pulpit to broadcast that message nationally? Maybe you have issue with the obviousness of some statements, but I fully support Harbaugh calling out epic (and stunningly audacious) hypocracy especially when it sullies the good name of Michigan.
I get your point, but all of those statements are true aren't they?
Just because they're true doesn't mean the speakers are wrong.
Jim Harbaugh is trying to expand his recruiting territory. SEC fans may not like it. But that doesn't mean he's wrong about wanting them to continue to be legal. A level-headed fan in SEC territory should be able to acknowledge the positive aspects of satellite camps.
becuase it muddies up the water for if it's truly bad. The SEC has switched it's reasons on why these camps are bad and then got them banned, only to realize that the ban was worse. So now we know that the camps are really good for the kids and for many smaller colleges.
Now they continue to come out with new arguments on why its bad, when now all I hear is that they are saying they are bad for the SEC when Harbaugh or someone else comes into their turf to hold camps and recruit.
So yes, it is important who says what, because when they are not consistent in what they are saying, and do things that contradict what they are saying, it is hard to believe that what they are now saying holds water.
But when he self-righteously ciritizes another coach or program, talking about how he's worried one set of rules will be broken while he simutaneously breaks several others, it's fair game to bring up.
The point is that Saban might be better off finding a different spokesman for his "cause" than himself.
If it really is his cause.
I would have no problem with McElwin and a clean program like Florida complaining about camps, but Bama and Nick fucking Saban?! GTFO
Thats the whole point of the article....
-1, no insight
Because Saban doesn't actually give a shit about breaking NCAA rules? He has shown a history of breaking NCAA rules to his advantage and now claims he is worried that others can break rules? If someone wants to make that argument they can but Saban and Hugh Freeze are not the people who should be advising on what makes cheating more possible when they already cheat within the current system.
But the backlash against Saban is because Nick Saban lecturing people on the risk of NCAA violations is like Jeffrey Dahmer lecturing people on proper treatment of sleepover guests.
It's also like:
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Ted Kacynski lecturing people about proper use of postage stamps
- Herman Webster Mudget (a/k/a H.H. Holmes) lecturing people about hospitality services.
Unfortunately, any large university with a long history is gonna have some truly evil bastards in its alumni base.
I'll take Richard Loeb (of Leopold and Loeb fame) for $100, Alex.
I hate Ohio State as much as the next guy, but i can't put his one semester of non-attendance on the Buckeyes. They are evil, but not Jeffrey Dahmer evil... much like we are not Unibomber evil.