Kiper just mentioned Hemingway as a good WR still around.
NFL Draft Open Thread: Day 3
I think Hemingway is grossly underrated. I think both Molk and Jr will be taken in the 5th. There are still some big name guys left on the board. Should be exciting.
I'd be very happy if the lions grab Molk in the 5th. But I think they'd prefer a guy that could provide competition at guard as well.
And I'd rather have Hemmingway than the guy from Oklahoma we got in the 2nd. I know the headscratchers in the last few years tend to work out, but I'm really not happy with that one.
As much as I love junior, I do think Broyles is a better player. Doesn't mean that pick makes sense given Titus Young and Nate "The Self Proclaimed 'Black Wes Welker'" Burleson.
I'm kind of confused by that pick, as well. I guess Broyles is coming off knee surgery and Burleson probably doesn't have too many seasons left in him, so maybe it's a "this will pay off in a couple years when Broyles fully recovers and Burleson is retiring" kind of thing. But I'm not a big fan of pulling that move in the 2nd round.
Didn't you read the Tloy Wolfork story on the main page? C'mon man.
Broyles was a beast before he got hurt, considered by some to be even better than Justin Blackmon. Mayhew was saying that the Lions feel they can grrom Broyles along and wait until he fully recovers considering the guys they have now.
I also wanted defense but the more the explain it to me the more this pick makes sense. Especially considering who the Lions were targeting and if any were available around then. Remember we have no idea what management is thinking and where they have players rated.
Broyles could be an excellent compliment to Megatron. I liked flashes of what Ive seen from Titus Young last year too. Seems like the pass game should be set. They focused on defense rounds 3 and back.
In a guy who will be the second best at his position, where you're paying well over the position value. I believe in best available, but there are guys of similar value. He had to be ranked A LOT higher than everyone else, which I have a hard time believing considering he's coming off knee surgery. You also have to wonder if they couldn't get him in the 3rd. The rest of their defense picks are then back-ups or special teasers.
But at least the Skins made sure it wasn't close to the worst pick in the draft.
Hooray! A non sucky thread!
And I think Hemingway will get picked late 4th, early 5th. Can't say about Molk though
He's a big time possession guy who will be great in the red zone.
It's all Gruden's fault for saying Tom Brady would kick my butt.
It cracks me up that Nick Foles who I believe Cousins beat out for the starting job at staee got drafted ahead of him.
Another proud MSU backup QB who will always be talked up as a "good backup" until he steps on the field and people see otherwise (see Stanton, Hoyer, now Cousins).
I still consider this schadenfreude. No one want's to be a backup at anything — but that's what they are, and that's what they'll be for the rest of their careers.
Whoever drafts Big Play Hemingway is getting a steal of a player, and an elite level pointer.
John Clayton suggested that the Lions might be able to swing a trade for Mike Jenkins from the Cowboys....CB problems potentially solved?
But I'll take it...
We need to get Brandon Boykin as well as trade for Jenkins. Then they might be solved.
Boykin is like 5'9 he's an Alphonso Smith clone, no thanks. Josh Norman or Alfonzo Dennard are better prospects.
Is Jenkins actually good (serious question)?
I mean, he's the cast off from an overhauled bad secondary.
Especially Molk, because we could use someone to push and/or overtake our current starter. But we need a receiver too, so why not Junior (although I think he'd have to fall to the 6th for the Broncos.)
Im a Chargers fan so Im hoping neither of them end up in Denver. Lol.
RG3's center instead. I really wanted Molk.
It wasn't Molk though.
I'm all for teasing MSU and Cousins and everything, but in reality I think he's going to be a great pick-up for somebody. I'm not all that surprised he's still available, but I think he's better than a 4th rounder, so someone's going to get some value with him.
He played in an offense that was run first and didn't rely on his QB skills as a primary weapon. The future (is now) of the NFL is pass first offenses that take advantage of the rules preventing defensive backs from touching WRs. Cousins makes a few rosters but is out of the league in 3 years selling insurance in Holland or EL.
Our running game was 11tyh in the B1G. was a pass first offense this year.
Could that be the result of teams loading the box to stop the run and Cousins taking advantage of play action over top.
Don't get me wrong he was a good college QB. His record speaks for itself but he still makes boneheaded decisions. Maybe he is smart enough and he can learn a playbook quickly and that will keep him on rosters but I don't expect him to get more than 16 starts in his career
MSU definitely threw the ball a good deal, but based on my anecdotal recollections of the team, lots of those passes were short screens and dump-offs to backs and WRs. In many instances, they were just replacement runs.
Again, I think Cousins had a good college career, but the one thing we've seen with him is that when pressure comes, he has trouble getting the ball down the field to his receivers in tight windows. He's a better passer than Denard and will be a competent player in the pros, but the story that sprung up surrounding him (he's a late-round QB who will become a star because he's a "winner" and "is a great guy") ignores the his limitations that were expressed consistently during his playing career.
MSU 2011 Total Rush attempts-489
MSU 2011 Total Pass attempts-451
That's pretty split
I don't think MSU was as run-oriented as people think. They were 23rd in the nation passing, and only 62nd in rushing (in terms of yardage). Their play calling was basically 50/50 (451 passes v. 489 rushes, or 48% passing).
But now that he's been drafted by the Redskins, he'll spend his time riding the bench behind RGIII barring injury or trade.
i guess cousins will fulfill his destiny of being RGIII's little brother at the QB position.
I agree that MSU was not as run oriented as many believe, but I don't think Cousins was the one that propelled that offense. In fact, if you look at their wr before next season, it was outstanding. Treadwell (now gone) was off coord and wrs coach and he did a tremendous job at developing guys that normally wouldn't make it as wrs into nfl talent (blair white).
Many of Cousins' passes were to completely wide open guys and he had a lot more jump balls than people think.
Sucks for him, but I'm sure he'll get drafted in this round. I doubt this turns into a Warren type situation.
going to use TP for their #2? Color me shocked... Enjoy holding the clipboard for Leinart...
Well, you couldn't ask for a better clipboard-holding mentor than Matt Leinart (Brady Quinn, maybe, but he's kind of a clipboard show-boater).
is using this phase of his life to start learning some humility and listen. Does have skills that could be useful, but not sure of his commitment to a team mentality up to this point.
4th - Brandon Boykin, CB, Georgia
5th - Emmanuel Acho, LB, Texas
7th - Kevin Koger, TE, Michigan
7th - Bradie Ewing, FB, Wisconsin
I'd love a project DE in there somewhere but I've had my eye on Boykin as well.
Congrats to Kirk, fuck state
Uh, that's my line, & it's "Spuck Farty", but I like your spirit....... Also; ESPN's talking heads are REALLY EXCITED about Couplings getting drafted in the 4th round, by a team that just drafted the Best Player In the Draft, whom also happens to be a QB, & the teams owner is the easts answer to William Clay Ford... And I'm serious, THEY ARE EXCITED!!!! (???)
Why did my 'Skins draft Cousins? I feel dirty.
Congrats to Kirk for being drafted, but I think that's an awful place for him to go. He's not going to get a chance to play for a few years at earliest as the Redskins let RGIII develop, and unless RGIII is a bust, Cousins won't sniff the field for the Skins.
They've lost draft picks getting RG3, so they need to put guys around him when they can so they can win, and they put one of their highest picks for a back-up who should never see the field. Bad for Kirk too, because he isn't get drafted as a developmental back up, but a permanent one. Baffling.
I think it's a good place for Cousins. RGIII has proved nothing in the pros, and he is a bit raw. Ceiling is really high, but if he can't get there, it's a good spot to step in.
You don't spend that much money, and draft picks, and say "oops...let's play the other guy." If he plays, they drafted him for the next coach/GM.
I have to think they drafted Cousins with the hope of moving him for player(s) later down the line. I'm not 100% sure about the trade rules for draft selections in their first year, but I have to think that Washington has some ulterior motive to drafting two QBs this high in a single draft.
The problem is not matter how good the guy ends up being you almost never trade them for a pick higher than you drafted them. They're like a car in depreciation.
What if Cousins goes out and has a great preseason. Then they can trade him for a player in a position that they need. If all the talk of him being more "NFL ready" than RGIII is true this could be a good idea.
Interesting pairing in Washington with RG3 and Cousins. Very contrasting styles and as much as I hate to agree with Kiper I think that Kirk will be better in the pre-season then Griffin. Good guy to push RG3 to get to that next level quicker.
Cousins may be better day 1 but I think he has reached his ceiling where as RGIII with the right development and supporting cast could become a hall of famer.
The Skins can't afford a luxury pick.
Kiper says everything both positive and negative he can about a kid in the time he gets. Then he can always say he was right.
Who does michigan still have on the board? i know mike martin got drafted, Isnt david molk still available? thats surprising
Hemingway, Molk, Van Bergen, Koger...
Molk should be gone this round, i thought he would go day 2
Molk and Hemingway are the two most likely to still get taken. Koger was a borderline guy, but he just had surgery to repair his Achilles, so that'll probably knock him out of the draft. Van Bergen is a borderline guy who's still out there.
ranked further down among centers, probably 4th or 5th round. Not sure which teams have Center as a position of need or that need more depth there, though...
Broncos just took a center out of baylor.
One of the big knocks on Molk is he is "center only." Teams like a center that can provide depth at guard, which they say he doesn't have the ability to play.
Plus, I've read concerns that he's really good at certain types of blocking but not others (I totally lack the blocking expertise to know if that's true). So he's basically a guy who does a certain range of things really well, but lacks versatility.
Molk can have trouble sustaining his blocks through the end of run plays. He often has to pull his man down with him to keep him out of the play and finds it difficult to generate enough push early to create a solid hole for his backs. He is reliable to not allow sacks in pass production but can get off balance when setting against bull rushes.
Molk is destined to be a starter in the NFL.
According to Twitter, they moved down 8 spots from 117 to 125 and gained a 6th round pick. Apparently they didn't have a 6th round pick previously.
We didn't have a 6th from tampering charges so this is fine.
The Lions gained a 6th round pick in exchange for swapping spots with the 49ers in the 4th round.
Dear NFL and Kansas City: We're gonna pick in the 6th round whether you like it or not so HA.
Keyshawn Martin to the Texans. I kind of forgot that he was still out there.
EDIT: And Nick Toon goes to the Saints. I forgot about him, too.
gone to Philly
Damn, that trade with the 49ers isn't shaping up too well. Ron Brooks (LSU CB) just got picked up, too.
I would've loved to hear the conversation between Washington and Cousins: "Kirk, congrats on joining the team. We think you have great potential as a clipboard holder."
ronnell Lewis OLB Oklahoma
Ronnell Lewis is a solid pick, they need depth at LB with Carpenter gone. Not sure why so many people liked Boykins, he's small and his ceiling is Alphonso Smith, pass.
Lewis could be a big time player. He had first round hype for a bit. In a 4-3, he's a situational pass rusher at end.
San Diego State guy drafted.
With an already explosive offense, the Packers are really loading up on defense. Do you think the Lions management will figure out in a year or two that offenses can be stopped and you need a defense?
Lions just picked another LB with a slot they got from Minne.
Not to mention, they selected DLinemen with their last two first round picks. Not saying that Detroit has a stellar defense or anything (they clearly don't), but they're not neglectful of it.
They're mainly special teams or back-up players.
Tahir Whitehead? I guess the Lions have abandoned their best player available strategy.
Think he's under the radar because he's from Temple. They say he's physical, athletic and capable of making good plays. Uncharacteristically, they don't say anything negative. (This is from their quick blurbs linked to them on the live draft tracker list.)
Most analysis I've read on him says something along the lines of, "undersized, unathletic, not great instincts, and not a lot to get excited about."
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Zebrie Sanders just got taken. This goes here:
I am still trying to get over that 2nd round pick for the Lions.
Holy shit, they drafted a guy from the MIAA. Tloy has to be better than that.
That'll shore up their D.
Damn, we need another player drafted.
"small school stud with intriguing measurables and speed" -- the CBS guys.
Chris Greenwood from Albion? Now we know their whole best player available shtick is a charade.
And it's nice to have some depth at CB. Still scratching my head why they went for Broyles before getting the best available corner. Broyles may end up being a big steal though. Widely considered nation's best receiver before ACL tear.
A QB, a D-lineman, and a couple of receivers when he blows up.
It's going to be a rough transition.
If he's got one thing going for him it's that 2 of the only 3 D-III players drafted into the NFL that I can think of off the top of my head made an impact for the Lions. The two Lions being Pete Metzelaars and Clint Kriewaldt, with Pierre Garcon being the third.
As an Albion alum, and having had a class with Chris, I'm happy for the guy. Let's go Brits!
What year did you graduate?
Class of 2011 here.
Ah, class of 2006 here.
My cousin on the football team, Nate Kirk is graduating from there in a week...I'll be up there for the graduation.
Should go to the barn party.
Do you have access to the Lions board?
Often MSM board are vastly different than the NFL team board.
Cowboys draft VT WR Danny Coale, who did not catch a touchdown in overtime at the Sugar Bowl.
David Molk (if he's available) and (dare I say it) Edwin Baker would be nice grabs in 6 and 7, respectively. Hoping Hemingway gets drafted today.
Chris Polk from Washington. Make it happen Lions.
I'm sure he'll get picked by the time the Lions pick in the sixth round. I think they'll be going O-line first, so cross your fingers for Molk!
3 Arkansas WR go in round 4
I was just checking out the list of Big10 players still on the board, and I'm really surprised some of these guys are still around: Dennard, McNutt, Ebert (maybe not so surprising, actually), Cunningham, Herron, Moye, Henry. There's a lot of good, if not spectacular, talent from the Big10 lingering.
(I didn't include Molk or Hemingway, because I think we're all probably at least a little surprised those guys are still available.)
You would have to assume that Dennard's recent bout with the law has something to do with him still being undrafted. McNutt being around still is very surprising.
Dennard and McNutt were the two that really jumped out to me, too. I assumed Dennard's run in with the law would hurt his stock, but not knock him out of the draft (or at least this far back).
I didn't expect Hemingway to get taken before now, and Molk wasn't realistically projected much higher than this. He's small and he's been hurt for the evaluation period. We knew he was going to have to prove himself, again.
La Lafayette, Midwest State, and Albion College have same amount of players drafted so far as Michigan... thats crazy
Remind me why Hoke didn't sweep every coach of the year award last year?
I'd be careful about publicly airing your opinions of this man if they're negative:
At this stage, might as well. If he pans out, then you've gotten a first-round talent at the end of the draft. If not, he's not much of a loss.
Please get drafted soon!
It is criminal that Molk has lasted this long. Come on Mayhew, let's get this done.
That's unbelievable! That's criminal!
Beginning to see how we've lost 4 in a row.
It never felt like much of a talent issue between the teams, but more a competency on the defensive end.
There should be a big talent issue between teams. And not in their favor.
Guess those that said he was an NFL draft pick we're right.
That's 3 from Hoke's old team, isn't it?
Surprised nobody is taking a shot at Kellen Moore this late.
Dude was 50-3 in his career and 2 of those losses came from missed field goals while the other was a 1 point loss to TCU in the 2008 Poinsetta Bowl.
The NFL doesn't pick it's players by how many games they win. It has scientifically perfected it's rating system by using a combination of non-football agillity drills and strength measurements. Don't forget that important intelligence test.
/s (that last part at least)
How has Molk not been drafted yet? I understand Hemingway and RVB not having gone yet, but still, this is insane.
Denver already took a center.
The Texans told Van Bergen prior to the draft that they'd take him in the 6th round if he was still there. Let's see if they stick to their word in a few picks...
McNutt to the Eagles. Here goes RVB?
Soup gets a guy drafted.
None who can start.
You never know until they hit the turf
I agree. I guess we are the pateiots now minus the whole talent development thing. And no avril doesnt count.
I'd hate to be the pateiots.
Following online. Did NE forfeit their pick or something?
Edit: nevermind. must've been a glitch
takes a center who didn't win the Rimmington
Pats take a rugby/special teams player
Western Oregon center, eh? There's a Western Oregon now?
the Donavan Warren saga.
Of course, Warren left early; these guys all had to enter the draft.
I'm beginning to think Molk really rubbed people the wrong way with his little outburst after the bench press at the combine. Also, I can't believe Chris Polk still hasn't been drafted. He's been the best available for almost 2 rounds now.
Otherwise, I think we all know who the real Best Available player is.
that we don't know publicly. Great prospects drop for medical reasons. It's entirely possible that the doctors gave them do not draft grade. Molk has a history of injuries and the fact that he's not a real big C which also scares NFL teams.
I doubt anyone cares about the outburst. What they do seem to care about is his small stature/size and injury problems at the end of the year.
Molk to Indy soon?
Hopefully...it's our man.
that's my prediction...
An Ohio U receiver over Junior Hemingway, to add insult to injury.
Inconsistant...but a beast at WR. That wasn't a shocker.
This is almost funny...if it weren't for the fact that some deserving Michigan men should be on NFL rosters by now. Here we go with the last round...we'll see.
...we DO have a legit shot at Mr. Irrelevant, eh?
Which teams are realistic possibilities to take a center at this point? I can't believe he's being passed over this much.
Raiola can't be around forever...plus he's too busy worrying about playing without regard for concussions.
I can't believe that rugby dude from TSIO got picked ahead of Molk, Hemingway, and RVB. I bet Molk is destroying all the furniture is his house right now. I feel bad for the guy.
Could be injuries that are keeping Molk off the board. I would have thought size issues wouldn't have been prohibitive in the later rounds. If nothing else, I hope Molk, Koger, and Hemingway get decent opportunities as free agents at least.
Good point. There may have been some red flags raised during his physical at the combine.
I forget where I read it, and I might even be making it up completely, but I swear I read someone saying, maybe it was an agent or maybe a player, that they'd rather they (or their client) be an undrafted FA than a 7th-round pick.
When was the last time a major national award winner (non-kicker/punter) from the previous year went undrafted? Come on, somebody pick him up! I feel terrible for him right now.
There was Charlie Ward... But that was for different reasons.
To the Sooners?
Is this actually happening right now?
A Michigan man will be Mr. Irrelevant
For God's sakes, you've got the fucking Rimington Award winner still on the board!! Will someone at least take a chance on him??
Molk to San Diego.
Congrats to him!
San Diego is building a nice little cadre of former Michigan players down there.
San Diego! they have been good to Wolverines the last two years. Congrats Molk!
Molk a charger!
Thank you, San Diego! Molk to Chargers
Molk to Chargers. Finally!
San Diego for all of the points!
|San Diego State|
|Miles Burris||4||34(129)||Oakland Raiders||OLB||6'2⅛"||246|
|Ronnie Hillman||3||4(67)||Denver Broncos||RB||5'8¾"||200|
|Ryan Lindley||6||15(185)||Arizona Cardinals||QB||6'3||229|
|Jerome Long||7||11(218)||Kansas City Chiefs||DT||6'3⅞"||282|
I know a few have commented on it, but here are the SDSU players already drafted. I'd say, this is very encouraging for Michigan's future.
Chart courtesy of ESPN.
Edit: Get Paid Molk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
david molk to San Diego..
way too late if you ask me
MOLK TO THE CHARGERS!!! FINALLY!!!
great value for the SD super Chargers
I was really hoping the Jags would pick up Hemingway. Was hoping for a Henne/Hemingway combo to root for.
Pittsburgh drafted Toney Clemons.
Toney Clemons just got picked.
Toney Clemons. Sweet. Congrats.
As a Michigan player drafted?
Molk porn starting on ESPN.
Edit: said "he's a bad one", in the best way....could start someday.
Can't fucking believe Toney Clemons was drafted before Hemingway after the stupid shit he did on his way out of Michigan.
I remember that he transferred to Colorado. But what stupid fecal matter did he do on his way out of Michigan? Did I miss it in 3 And Out?
He was one of Rosenberg's "anonymous sources."
Congrats to Ebert too. Always liked watching him play.
Chiefs for junior
Junior to KC
Hemingway to Kansas City.
Hemmingway to the Chiefs!
Jr. to the Chefs. ( my team).
Great Googly Moogly!
BIG PLAY HEMINGWAY!!!
YES!! So happy for Hemingway.
make it onto the board...
Koger is now the #1 TE on the board. It would be awesome to see him picked up. One of my favorite Wolverines.
Van Bergen to the Steelers would be sweet. I think he will make a good 3-4 DE.
I watched a ton of Washington football this year and last, the kid can play.
to Molk and Hemingway. Also to Martin from yesterday! Go Blue!
It's Mr. Irrelevant time...
NIU's QB is Mr. Irrelevant. That's all she wrote, folks.
Well, if that's not the largest dong punch to Kellen Moore.
It's already being reported on twitter that Moore has signed (or is signing) a deal with the Detroit Lions.
Apparently the winningest player in college football history is the new Drew Stanton.
Bookending the draft.
Possible UDFA possibilities for the Lions - Leonard Johnson - CB, Chase Minnifield - CB, Duke Ihenacho- SS, James Brown - OG , QB Case Kennum, QB Kellen Moore, QB Dominique Davis , Vontaze Burfict -LB, OT Luke Nix, Chris Polk-RB, Tauren Poole- RB , Jewel Hampton - RB , Dajohn Harris- DT, Garth Gerhart - C, Quentin Saulsberry- C , Michael Brewster- C, Markus Zusevics-G ,
Really hoping they sign Chris Polk.
Polk fell because he reportedly has a degenerative disease, add that he had alot of carries in college......thats why he fell
hoping the lions get these corners to sign UDFA and the Guard from troy and the SS from san jose state
was hoping for dennard in the 7th--safety project