I figured Id get this up and going. Draft starts in an hour. Cant wait to see where Molk and Hemingway end up.
NFL Draft Open Thread: Day 3
Kiper just mentioned Hemingway as a good WR still around.
I think Hemingway is grossly underrated. I think both Molk and Jr will be taken in the 5th. There are still some big name guys left on the board. Should be exciting.
I'd be very happy if the lions grab Molk in the 5th. But I think they'd prefer a guy that could provide competition at guard as well.
And I'd rather have Hemmingway than the guy from Oklahoma we got in the 2nd. I know the headscratchers in the last few years tend to work out, but I'm really not happy with that one.
As much as I love junior, I do think Broyles is a better player. Doesn't mean that pick makes sense given Titus Young and Nate "The Self Proclaimed 'Black Wes Welker'" Burleson.
I'm kind of confused by that pick, as well. I guess Broyles is coming off knee surgery and Burleson probably doesn't have too many seasons left in him, so maybe it's a "this will pay off in a couple years when Broyles fully recovers and Burleson is retiring" kind of thing. But I'm not a big fan of pulling that move in the 2nd round.
Didn't you read the Tloy Wolfork story on the main page? C'mon man.
Broyles was a beast before he got hurt, considered by some to be even better than Justin Blackmon. Mayhew was saying that the Lions feel they can grrom Broyles along and wait until he fully recovers considering the guys they have now.
I also wanted defense but the more the explain it to me the more this pick makes sense. Especially considering who the Lions were targeting and if any were available around then. Remember we have no idea what management is thinking and where they have players rated.
Broyles could be an excellent compliment to Megatron. I liked flashes of what Ive seen from Titus Young last year too. Seems like the pass game should be set. They focused on defense rounds 3 and back.
In a guy who will be the second best at his position, where you're paying well over the position value. I believe in best available, but there are guys of similar value. He had to be ranked A LOT higher than everyone else, which I have a hard time believing considering he's coming off knee surgery. You also have to wonder if they couldn't get him in the 3rd. The rest of their defense picks are then back-ups or special teasers.
But at least the Skins made sure it wasn't close to the worst pick in the draft.
Hooray! A non sucky thread!
And I think Hemingway will get picked late 4th, early 5th. Can't say about Molk though
He's a big time possession guy who will be great in the red zone.
It's all Gruden's fault for saying Tom Brady would kick my butt.
It cracks me up that Nick Foles who I believe Cousins beat out for the starting job at staee got drafted ahead of him.
Another proud MSU backup QB who will always be talked up as a "good backup" until he steps on the field and people see otherwise (see Stanton, Hoyer, now Cousins).
I still consider this schadenfreude. No one want's to be a backup at anything — but that's what they are, and that's what they'll be for the rest of their careers.
Whoever drafts Big Play Hemingway is getting a steal of a player, and an elite level pointer.
John Clayton suggested that the Lions might be able to swing a trade for Mike Jenkins from the Cowboys....CB problems potentially solved?
But I'll take it...
We need to get Brandon Boykin as well as trade for Jenkins. Then they might be solved.
Boykin is like 5'9 he's an Alphonso Smith clone, no thanks. Josh Norman or Alfonzo Dennard are better prospects.
Is Jenkins actually good (serious question)?
I mean, he's the cast off from an overhauled bad secondary.
Especially Molk, because we could use someone to push and/or overtake our current starter. But we need a receiver too, so why not Junior (although I think he'd have to fall to the 6th for the Broncos.)
Im a Chargers fan so Im hoping neither of them end up in Denver. Lol.
RG3's center instead. I really wanted Molk.
It wasn't Molk though.
I'm all for teasing MSU and Cousins and everything, but in reality I think he's going to be a great pick-up for somebody. I'm not all that surprised he's still available, but I think he's better than a 4th rounder, so someone's going to get some value with him.
He played in an offense that was run first and didn't rely on his QB skills as a primary weapon. The future (is now) of the NFL is pass first offenses that take advantage of the rules preventing defensive backs from touching WRs. Cousins makes a few rosters but is out of the league in 3 years selling insurance in Holland or EL.
Our running game was 11tyh in the B1G. was a pass first offense this year.
Could that be the result of teams loading the box to stop the run and Cousins taking advantage of play action over top.
Don't get me wrong he was a good college QB. His record speaks for itself but he still makes boneheaded decisions. Maybe he is smart enough and he can learn a playbook quickly and that will keep him on rosters but I don't expect him to get more than 16 starts in his career
MSU definitely threw the ball a good deal, but based on my anecdotal recollections of the team, lots of those passes were short screens and dump-offs to backs and WRs. In many instances, they were just replacement runs.
Again, I think Cousins had a good college career, but the one thing we've seen with him is that when pressure comes, he has trouble getting the ball down the field to his receivers in tight windows. He's a better passer than Denard and will be a competent player in the pros, but the story that sprung up surrounding him (he's a late-round QB who will become a star because he's a "winner" and "is a great guy") ignores the his limitations that were expressed consistently during his playing career.
MSU 2011 Total Rush attempts-489
MSU 2011 Total Pass attempts-451
That's pretty split
I don't think MSU was as run-oriented as people think. They were 23rd in the nation passing, and only 62nd in rushing (in terms of yardage). Their play calling was basically 50/50 (451 passes v. 489 rushes, or 48% passing).
But now that he's been drafted by the Redskins, he'll spend his time riding the bench behind RGIII barring injury or trade.
i guess cousins will fulfill his destiny of being RGIII's little brother at the QB position.
I agree that MSU was not as run oriented as many believe, but I don't think Cousins was the one that propelled that offense. In fact, if you look at their wr before next season, it was outstanding. Treadwell (now gone) was off coord and wrs coach and he did a tremendous job at developing guys that normally wouldn't make it as wrs into nfl talent (blair white).
Many of Cousins' passes were to completely wide open guys and he had a lot more jump balls than people think.
Sucks for him, but I'm sure he'll get drafted in this round. I doubt this turns into a Warren type situation.
going to use TP for their #2? Color me shocked... Enjoy holding the clipboard for Leinart...
Well, you couldn't ask for a better clipboard-holding mentor than Matt Leinart (Brady Quinn, maybe, but he's kind of a clipboard show-boater).
is using this phase of his life to start learning some humility and listen. Does have skills that could be useful, but not sure of his commitment to a team mentality up to this point.
4th - Brandon Boykin, CB, Georgia
5th - Emmanuel Acho, LB, Texas
7th - Kevin Koger, TE, Michigan
7th - Bradie Ewing, FB, Wisconsin
I'd love a project DE in there somewhere but I've had my eye on Boykin as well.
Congrats to Kirk, fuck state
Uh, that's my line, & it's "Spuck Farty", but I like your spirit....... Also; ESPN's talking heads are REALLY EXCITED about Couplings getting drafted in the 4th round, by a team that just drafted the Best Player In the Draft, whom also happens to be a QB, & the teams owner is the easts answer to William Clay Ford... And I'm serious, THEY ARE EXCITED!!!! (???)
Why did my 'Skins draft Cousins? I feel dirty.
Congrats to Kirk for being drafted, but I think that's an awful place for him to go. He's not going to get a chance to play for a few years at earliest as the Redskins let RGIII develop, and unless RGIII is a bust, Cousins won't sniff the field for the Skins.
They've lost draft picks getting RG3, so they need to put guys around him when they can so they can win, and they put one of their highest picks for a back-up who should never see the field. Bad for Kirk too, because he isn't get drafted as a developmental back up, but a permanent one. Baffling.
I think it's a good place for Cousins. RGIII has proved nothing in the pros, and he is a bit raw. Ceiling is really high, but if he can't get there, it's a good spot to step in.
You don't spend that much money, and draft picks, and say "oops...let's play the other guy." If he plays, they drafted him for the next coach/GM.
I have to think they drafted Cousins with the hope of moving him for player(s) later down the line. I'm not 100% sure about the trade rules for draft selections in their first year, but I have to think that Washington has some ulterior motive to drafting two QBs this high in a single draft.
The problem is not matter how good the guy ends up being you almost never trade them for a pick higher than you drafted them. They're like a car in depreciation.
What if Cousins goes out and has a great preseason. Then they can trade him for a player in a position that they need. If all the talk of him being more "NFL ready" than RGIII is true this could be a good idea.