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NFL Draft Day 1 Open Thread
Mike Mayock seems to think so.
Same with McShay and Kiper
I like the NFL. They actually make kids spend more than one year in school. Unlike the NBA, who sucks major talent out of the college game. And in hockey, it is ten times worse. You not only have the NHL to worry about, but the CHL and other junior leagues.
NBA should sack up and make the required years in college 2 or 3 at the most. Obiviously nothing can be done about hockey though.
I would like the NBA to make it two years, it would make College Basketball much better. I don't know much about hockey
I agree with you on the fact they SHOULD stay 2 or 3 years, but the majority of the top kids would most likely rather go overseas and get paid for those 2-3 years.
Well yeah but in hockey the college game wasn't ever considered a true breeding ground for young players. In the chl's three leagues they play a season that more resembles the NHL (more games and not just Friday/Saturday nights with little to no travel between those games). I personally prefer to attend a college game and would encourage youngsters to attend and play in the NCAA but I also understand if you are a top talent the CHL is the way to go to best develop your skills.
I said it in the thread yesterday (or was it two days ago?), but I really hope the Lions trade down. Move back to the mid to late 20s, and get a 2nd and 4th or 5th rounder and I would be a happy camper. I wouldn't be entirely upset if we took Cooper though, which feels weird to say seeing as he is a guard, but he seems like a surefire solid player. not to metnion he could potentially player center too. I like that there isn't a consensus number 1 or even top 5 this year, really adds to the intrigue IMO.
Everyone always says trade down but it rarely happens. Let's just hope the Lions don't F the #5 pick up
Dream on. Loser is what Loser does. Expect 30+ years of draft failure to continue. That's what has caused what you've seen on the field. I grew up in the Detroit area but I gave up long ago. Until the Ford family relinquishes ownership, the mediocrity will continue.
Thank god Al Davis finally died
That's an awful thing to say regardless of who it is.
Calvin Johnson, Suh,and Stafford yeah what shitty decisions they made. throw in delmas,Levi,Pettigrew, have been solid picks the jury is still out on Reiff,Fairley,Broyles,and LeShoure.
Those were pretty obvious choices that anyone could have made. Pettigrew should be doing way better for where he was taken. Levy was a decent pick. Broyles and LeShoure need to show alot. Regardless you can't sugarcoat it, Mayhew has not drafted well after the first round.
It doesn't matter he still made the pics Javid Best was a great pick just got injured, Titus young was a solid pick just crazy, Sammie hill,Jason fox,Levy,Young all solid picks for the later rounds
How are they solid picks!!!! It's a solid pick based on what they do. Jahvid Best had his injury issues before, Titus is no longer here, Jason Fox has never played!!!! What in the heck are you talking about solid picks?! Are you Mayhew himself?!
I'm talking about when the picks were made, a team that hits on 50pct of their picks in one draft is a very successful draft.
Best was a terrible pick. He had major injury questions and was an undersized back. Not a good choice at the end of the first round. Third round maybe. Young had major discipline issues and wasn't at a position of dire need and is gone.
Levy and Young were not later round picks. They were 3rd and 2nd round. Those rounds should get you starters.
Sammie hill was a solid pick and Jason Fox, other than being injury prone, is completely unknown.
The Lions have not drafted well in a long time.
CJ is the only solid pick in that bunch. Stafford is overrated. He is bloating up more than Mike Williams. He may have a solid arm, but his accuracy is very suspect. Suh is a headcase. He has a probowl physicality with a scout team head.
Bingo. The Lions are a real Munson. Until the Ford give up their ownership nothing will change. They will continue to undermine their GM.
Is there any hope that a Big Ten player gets selected in the first round at ALL?
I can't remember the statistic, but that hasn't happened in like 60 years or so.
I don't remember his name, because OSU, but he's been mentioned in a lot of mocks in the last 10 of the first round.
Hankins or Simon. Hankins is the one that Rich Rod decided not to offer. Hankins at one point was a potential first round pick but I think that perception has changed, same with Simon.
I think early mock drafts had him as a top 15 pick.
all the way through. Great college player, but is going to be limited in the NFL due to his size and athleticism. Not athletic enough to play DE, but not big enough to play DT. He is being looked at 3-4 OLB which I'm not sure is his best fit but he would be fine as a run stopping OLB.
Hankins have the talent, but he is inconsistent and there's questions about his motivation (main reason why MSU and Michigan passed on him). He is projected as a 2nd/3rd round pick.
Rich Rod did offer Hankins. Before OSU actually. Unfortunately, his HS coach was Archie Collins, so there was no way he was going to end up at UM.
I thought Michigan waited way to long to offer because Hankins was a bway overweight most of his senior year. By the time we got back in the game, I think he had decided to go elsewhere
Nope, you have it exactly wrong. Hankins performance at the camps revealed really terrible conditioning, and RR held off offering him until after OSU did. Eventually we did, but by then it was too late.
If Lewan didn't "Shock The World" and return for his senior season, he would likely be a 1st round draft pick. For the sake of not invoking Section 1, I think we all know the reason behind our current drought.
Does anyone think he wouldn't be the overall #1 had he come out? Isn't he better than Fisher and Joeckel? If not, then top 5 at least, maybe someone trading up?
Eric Fisher is pretty damn good. Watch his film if you haven't. I think Lewan would be behind both Fisher and Jockel.
"SECTION 1, SECTION 1, SECTION 1, SECTION 1!!!!!!!"
The Ryan Mallett thread.
We won't know if the Lions got this right until the offseason to see whether or not the guy gets a DUI or an assault charge.
until we see a scan of his collarbone.
I've had so many problems with my zeppelin this week that I haven't had the chance to pay attention.
I really think that Fisher from CMU will go first overall.
Most places have reported this already.
Who does it better? NFL Network or ESPN? I'm leaning towards NFL Network because of Rich Eisen.
Definitely NFL network, because fuck Chris Berman. Dude has been using the same lines for over 30 years and has always annoyed the shit out of me, along with the rest of the talking heads at ESPN.
to think about the hypotheticals of these small school players having come to a bigger school and wondering if they would still be where they are now.
For instance, imagine if we had recruited and gotten Fisher...do you think he would have been an all star on Michigan and be in position to be the #1 pick?
Which wins? Round denard is drafted in + 2.5 or trey Burke overall pick. Example denard drafted 3 rd round plus 2.5=5.5 Burke would have to be drafted 5th or higher.
2 great players with different pro prospects
My Raiders trade down
wish we got more for it, but better than nothing right?
LETS GET THIS THING STARTED
As long as the bears do not take manti teo with their first pick, things will be okay.
I think they should take a CB or DT if they have to stay at 20. I would love it if they could trade back to get better value on maybe a late first / early 2nd pick, but I think a lot of teams want to move back.
This is definitely the year to start rebuilding the defense. It would be worthwhile to get as many 2/3 round picks as we can. We would have a year to evaluate/develop them before deciding what to do with the defense. Our long-term options at LB, CB, and DT definitely need some attention this draft. But obviously if a good olinemen is available, we still need a lot of help there.
2 star mafia
The last two OT's taken #1 overall have been from Michigan. I think he went to Sealholm so he and Jake Long are both from the same area too (relatively speaking). Pretty cool
Though it would have been awesome if a Maple had gone #1 overall.
"He played down to the competition, struggling against guys he shouldn't have."
Uhhhh yeah. I need to keep that kind of logic in my back pocket. Well ladies and gentleman, it's been fun. First overall pick is from CMU. The world is ending.
Fellow chip going number 1. Wish he would have fell to 5 though.
An open thread is fun, but this needs a live blog. I <3 me some Live blog.
Good for him. I hope he does well.
Was hoping he would drop to the Lions but I ain't mad at him.
Somehow, I expect the Raiders to totally screw up this next pick.
Committment to Excrement.
Thought for sure the Lions would be moving up to take Lane Johnson if the two OTs went off the board first. Kind of looking like that won't happen.
because he's fast
Raiders select: Usain Bolt
Curious to see who the Dolphins take. I assume they're going to get the LT from Kansas City as they didn't trade up for Joeckel, so the need for the OL won't be as dire. Either way it won't matter, I guess, as mediocrity and below is the way of the 'Phins.
Whew...I thought the Lions were going to trade up for a second there.
Who do the Lions go after now? Lane Johnson will be off the board with this trade.
Man if three tackles go the first three...man Lewan...
Would've been the undisputed number 1 overall prospect going into the draft after battling Clowney. Somehow I see Fisher having a less than Lewan-like performance against Clowney.
Eh, most still had Jockel ahead of him even after the bowl. And he wouldn't have the senior bowl. But still, three tackles in the top four? Probably two guards in the first round? He would go ahead of Johnson. Geez. But he can still be the best tackle next year, and someone next year in the top 5 will also need an LT as well.
Didnt see that coming.
Miami needed a tackle.
The KC tackle? Is there any reason that wouldn't be in the works still?
I had heard about this earlier but figured since they let it slide to the draft it wasn't a go
Jordan at three eh? Reeeeaaaacchhh
Seems like a prime candidate for a bust. His highlight package right here is almost entirely plays where he is completely unblocked
everyone around you is setting you up for your choice of reasonable picks. pleeeeeeezzzeeee nooooo ansah.
They'll take Ansah. It's the Lions. What else do you expect?
The Eagles are probably celebrating. They really wanted a tackle.
Lions are either going Ansah, or trading back.
This whole motherfluffer will burn down if they take Tavon Austin.
I think Ansah is a reach
Tavon Austin equals the Detroit equivalent of the Sparty couch fire
Lions are hosed. Trade down.
Ok Lions...take Dee or trade back
lions are gonna pick ansah i just know it.
Dee Milliner Plz!!
Raiders really could not get more for the 3rd pick than the 12th and 42nd? ... Thats not close to equal on the pick value chart.
Come on trade alert. Come on trade alert...
Just got fucked.
Squares and rectangles.
Pick is in? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I like Dee Milliner here as a value pick; if his health is good he'd help the Lions for the next six to eight years
ansah is not gonna be as good as avril, and our team wasn't great with avril. so get a piece at a different position. pleeeeeeezzzz
Memories of Barkevious Mingo's recruitment to Michigan...
BARRY BARRY BARRY
Barry Sanders is everywhere this week.
ugh. worst possible pick.
Oh my god, just look at him.
Cue the meltdown?
...it could have been Tavon Austin
The ONE player I didn't want them to take. Classic Lions...ugh
happy now Ziggy.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU FOOLS!!!
Stupid pick by the Lions.
Fuck off Lions, fuck off long and hard.
The Lions have been fucked since Barry Sanders left. There is no hope for the Lions. I gave up years ago, much more pleasant and productive Sundays.
Hate to say it - they weren't that good with Sanders. The team has been messed up for decades, but I'm not going to bury them quite yet for this pick. Their defensive player drafting has been decent the past couple of years - Suh, Fairley, Delmas until he got hurt. There were no offensive linemen left, so might as well take a kid with a bunch of potential.
but ever since I started following them like 8 years ago, it seems like they always screw up the draft somehow. Why do they keep doing this to themselves? Who is advising people on these picks?
Don't mind that pick at all.
I think Tavon Austin might actually be bigger...
Then again, the Lions did get the best soccer player in the draft.
becomes a solid ass #1 corner for another team, i'm gonna shake my fist at the football gods.
But will you also shake your fist when he blows out a shoulder?
This is why the lions suck every year
Okay Ziggy, now read all of our comments and get pissed and fuck up the other teams quarterbacks
Ziggy Ziggy Ziggy can't you see?
The lack of pictures of theses guy's girlfriends is upsetting.
Prediction for Stafford next year:
Don't know much about him.
Look what people were saying about Hoke though and look at him and us now.
Give Ziggy a chance.
I don't get why people are killing this pick. They need a pass rush, and with the top tackles off the board and no good DBs at #5, why not take a chance on an uber-athletic kid? JPP is the clear analog, but even if he is only 75% to that level would be an upgrade. I care more about how the Lions draft in the next couple of rounds, but Ziggy isn't a horrible pick IME.
No good DB's? Dee Milliner ring a bell?
I like Dee Milliner and would of been happy , but he is no patrick peterson or Moris Claborne. There is a reason he hasnt been drafted yet
I wanted Milliner.
Milliner is a stretch at 5 IME. He's had an injury history, and while he looked good for Alabama at times, he doesn't seem like an elite DB compared to guys in the past - like Patterson and Claiborne. He's got a pretty lengthy injury history for a kid - hernia, shoulder problems, leg soreness, etc. Plus, and I mean this will all due respect, people around here may be overrating him a bit given how he looked against UM in the game. As we learned later on this year, the passing game was kind of a mess with Denard at the helm, so perhaps a bit of his dominance was due to some poor throws.
I didn't hear about injuries.
I think he's a good back, but reading about all those injuries scares me, even if none seem like consistent career killers. And heck he might be fine. It's always a gamble.
You don't think it's odd that all of the news about his injuries came out a day or two before the draft? D.J. Fluker "taking money" didn't hurt him. Watch the kid on the field, he can play.
I'm not questioning that he's a good player, but torn labrums and hernias are also troubling because they are the types of injuries that could affect his playing early on. The injuries were known during his college career, but just took on additional significance as the draft approached and more people pointed them out. And I stand by my assertion that he's not a shutdown corner like guys drafted at that position in recent years. He's a very good athlete (one of the best times as a corner at the combine), but he also played on a great defense, which could make him a bit better than he is. With the Lions, you aren't going to have great players everywhere to help out, and if I'm not getting shutdown vibes from the kid that's a bit of a stretch at 5. Ansah is a major reach too, but with all the needs the Lions have I'm fine with a top-notch prospect at DE. Milliner was not going to turn the Lions' defensive woes around.
He wouldn't turn it around, but he's got a much larger sample size than Ansah. I agree with what you said about Milliner playing on a great defense, but is that his fault? How much help does a corner get? Yes, the pass rush is important, but corners have to cover, bottom line.
Not saying Milliner looked bad against us, but we should all remember one of the high points of the Bama game when Gardner burned him to pick up 6.
Destroying picks is a pastime for NFL fans.
But today he was on that only the Lions could really need a tackle in a draft with three good ones and a top five pick....in a year there are no quarterbacks, defensive linemen, running backs, or receivers to go really high.
Now *that* is a good pick. Barkevious Mingo > Ziggy
I thought the Lions were supposed to hire a guy this year to act as a common sense filter for the draft room. I'm guessing it's time to fire him.
Browns with Mingo, hmmmm......... What a weird draft so far.
Ouch. Hope he turns out being a good player.
If we were going with DE, why not Mingo? WTF?
That would feel like a reach pick as well to me. It was a tough spot for the Lions; I'm not sold Ansah is going to be a great pick, but great athletes are always a decent bet.
I hear ya. Just frustrated - was hoping they'd go with Milliner.
I totally feel your pain. But there really weren't great picks there, and I have a soft spot for athletic guys. Plus, a byu kid should be free of off field issues.
Announcing his comeback and why was ziggy wearing 3d glasses from the movies
With that NFL signing bonus money he can afford to buy *working* 3D glasses from the movies.
Just get drafted?
And teams wonder why the Ravens, Patriots, and Packers have good drafts virtually every year.
Not trying to be combative, but the past couple Patriots drafts have been as hit-and-miss as others. They had quite a few stinkers in the late 00's, and even now they have an okay track record.
Drafting is always a crapshoot. The Lions aren't great at it, but few organizations (Steelers, Ravens, Packers) do it consistently well. The Patriots just have one of the best QBs in history playing with a very disciplined and committed coach and process. But they lose Tom Brady, I think they are a .500 team.
If they lose Brady, they still have Belichik. One is as important as the other.
Remember how Belichick looked in Cleveland in the 90's with Testaverde?
That's Belichick without Tom Brady.
Belichik is a very good coach, but that team has an elite QB and, at best, average talent at most other positions (honestly, outside of their TEs I'm not sure they have better talent than the Lions, collectively, at any other position). I'm not saying they wouldn't be a solid team without Brady, but like Manning with the Colts, he covers up for lots of their sins and limitations.
Top 10 pick gaurd. Impressive and rare.
three teams got franchise left tackles and lions were the odd team out.
Maybe the lions learned from the Nick Fairley nonsense and decided to steer clear of those pillars of intelligence and moral responsibility in the SEC.
That WV's receiver would go before their QB.
are loving this turn of events right now.
i'm grumpy harrrrumphfjasdflkj
Ha! I don't even care who gets good as long as someone is screwing over Rex Ryan.
Come on jets, fuck this up for me
Well...I guess we now know who Greenberg is gonna talk about all morning tomorrow on ESPN Radio.
"6 fatties in the top 12" - Mike Mayock 2013
Best comment of the draft so far.
Fwiw, I think you guys are too down on your pick. The guy hasn't played much football, and his best days may well be ahead of him. He also probably appreciates the hell out of this opportunity since he's from Ghana.
I agree, and I'm not really sure what people wanted the Lions to do. I guess you could argue for Mingo, but that's about it.
I would have liked them to trade down if the opportunity was there, but who knows if it was or wasn't. I would have been more happy with Cooper, or even Milliner though.
Yeah I don't see why any team would have been interested in the Lions slot based on the subsequent picks. Cooper may not even be the best guard in the draft, and Milliner would have been a big reach at 5 imo.
It may not have been possible to trade, in which case there really wasn't a player I would have loved there, but I still do not think Ansah is the pick. The guy did nothing in college; I really think college production is the most underrated measure in evaluating players...
Fair enough, but even if there were other choices, Ansah is not nearly enough of a head-scratcher to have people all up in arms.
I am not furious with the pick assuming no option to trade down was there. Just completely unenthused. The biggest thing to me was that I think Werner is just as good of a pick at DE as Ansah or Jordan and could be had at the end of the first or beginning of the second.
He's a boom or bust type and I think most people are rightly skeptical of a guy who was a workout warrior without much production against mediocre competition. The name Mike Mamula comes to mind here. It's also typical of a Lions draft philosophy that emphasizes boom potential, but doesn't seem to value risk properly. It's frustrating and I think people would rather see the Lions just make a bunch of safe, solid picks rather than watch Mayhew esperately try to prove he's a genius. So yeah the torch and pitchfork route is somewhat appropriate.
But a guard at 5 is a risk as well.
Yeah, I know he does and I wouldn't have loved that pick either. A guard at 5 would have been a reach but I think both of the guards are more safe picks than Ansah and will both be solid NFL players at the least. If no opportunity to trade down was there then the Lions really were kind of stuck in a bad position.
Star Lotulelei and Shariff Floyd. Two Raider picks later +1 and a completely different DT is taken. No one knows anything about this draft.
And projecting Bryan Mone, there you go mgopeeps. "He is a Star in North Carolina..." ~R. Eisen
TAVON AUSTIN, THE RAMS ARE HAVING SUBS RIGHT NOW AND IT CRAZY. YESSS WE WILL FINALLY HAVE A FREAKING OFFENSE .
is Jarvis Jones. No suprise
EJ Manuel? That just baffels me, they could have traded down 30 picks and gotten him.
This is why the Bills are the Bills. If nothing else a simlar QB could have been had in the 2nd round or even later.
Two picks until my Giants. Hope it's either Bjoern Werner or Xavier Rhodes.
I feel sorry for Ansah.
Jones at 19 is the pick of the draft so far. He will do well in Pittsburgh if he can stay healthy.
Benefits of having a consistent franchise philosophy is that your scouting and personnel evaluations look for the same traits so it's easy to be patient and get the best value. It's why I wish I had some sort of reason to root for the Steelers as it would make my life much easier. Alas, I grew up a Raiders fan and live in Michigan now, so........ I'm screwed.
Has there ever been an NFL draft that didn't draft a Big Ten player in the first round?
Where would Lewan have been picked. I'll take Lewan one more year and no BIGs in the 1st.
After his performance in the Outback Bowl, Lewan might have been a top-10 guy. Definitely a top-15.
All Fisher did was show up to the Senior Bowl to get where he is. Lewan would've went third at worst I think.
L-O-LIONS! Is this a little kid stuck in a grown man's body?
What's that college football criminality championship that EDSBS does? It seems like the Lions really want to win the professional version of that. Over / under on weeks until this guy does something dumber than wearing 3-D glasses to the biggest night of his life?
Holy shit, how many linemen are going to go in the first round?
All of the top offensive linemen are flying off the board. Good luck with that Lions.
Trying to get Luke to kill his father and turn to the dark side?
I think he's just upset that the rookie DE we just drafted, who has only started 4 games his entire career, is almost the same age as him even though Stafford has been in the NFL for 4 years.
Edit: People are comparing him to Jason Pierre Paul, which is extremely LOL-worthy, seeing as he and JPP are exactly the same age, only JPP has been in the NFL for 3 years, amassing 27.5 sacks and 18 TFL over that span of time.
had 4.5 sacks in his last season at USF which is exactly the same as Ziggy. Wait til Ziggy put on Lions uni and you'll be singing a different tune.
JPP was also 20 years old. Ziggy is 23.
There is a world of difference between 20 and 23, physically.
If Ziggy were 20 or 21 I'd be all for it, but he's going to be 24 in a month. He's not going to phyically mature like JPP did after he got to the NFL.
Geez. Tyler Eifert looks like a remarkably ugly thirteen year old girl.
Shariff Floyd still on the board at 23 holy crap!
Not any more!
Could not be more thrilled with my Vikes...I almost had a Teo-induced heart attack when the Bears went OLine, but for us to walk out with Floyd and Rhodes, freakin ecstatic
annnnnnnd as soon as I brag to everyone, they try to trade back into the 1st. Fack
On the Pats actually making a pick here rather than getting 3 picks after Brady is retired?
How do you do over-under with a yes or no question?
of the Manti Te'o love fest...........
someone pick him so we can move on
They all should have known the Pats would never draft anyone in the first round.
F'd up 1st round I've ever seen.
shouldn't go for Manti, and I don't even like the Ravens.
At least 1 Big Ten player made it in the first round.
Got unlucky and lost out on 3 franchise o-linemen, and then the rest of the round sapped many of the other quality ot's and db's. Sad day for my lion fandom
So just another day in the life of a Lions fan, right?
It's all that Tayler Lewan kid's fault for not declairing for the draft. What the hell was he thinking??
Wouldn't this have been Tate Forcier's year to enter the draft? In a year when QB talent was pretty thin? What a horrible waste of potential.
Oh yeah, he could of torn it up with all that raw talent. That NFL body out to waste. What a shame.
I guess good news for all of the Lions fans here, but sad for the Bears fans, Emery seems completely incapable of understanding how to work the draft. Back to back years reaching on 1st round picks. I cannot comprehend how you could evaluate players in a way that leads to those decisions. They admitted that if Long was available at 20, that they were going to pick him there.
Seriously??? So the fact that Floyd, Eifert, Trufant, and Ogletree were all still available doesn't make you pause and reconsider your decision? You value Long (and mcclellin last year) so much more than every other player that you won't risk missing him if you trade back? And I would have a very hard time believing that there weren't trade options available with those players still on the board. ...Even if you lose a bit of value on the pick value chart, it doesn't matter since the player you are picking is very likely still available at the end of the 1st, so you are better off maximizing the value of your pick!
We really could have used some extra mid round picks to try to find some players to help rebuild the defense. We need LB help immediately (and this pretty much locks us into trying to get one in the 2nd round), and DT and CB will both be big issues next year.
And that doesn't even touch on the fact that Long is a 24 year old guard with 5 starts in college, and who had to leave Florida State for academic reasons after his freshman year. I will admit, I really wanted Long (or Warford from UK or Barret Jones) but with a pick in the 40-50 range (like, idk, the 50th pick that we already have).
Alright, I'm done ranting; I really hope Long pans out. It would be great to actually have some protection for Cutler. Now back to discussing Ansah.
The Lions "brain trust" were wowed by their workouts with Ziggy at the Senior Bowl (or whatever it was) and that sealed the deal.
This excerpt is from "The Great Book of Detroit Sports Lists" by Mike Stone and Art Regner:
"3. Andre Ware, 1990, first round, seventh overall. Wayne Fontes was so wowed by this Heisman Trophy winner's pre-draft workout that he used his top pick in the draft to get him, even though the Lions already had a QB in Rodney Peete."
The more things change, the more they stay the same.