New Rivals 250 update

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Rivals released its updated top 250 this morning. Michigan has the most of any school with 13 of its 18 commits in the top 250.

Michigan highlights:

Butt- 118 (down from 96)

Lewis- 147 (up from 167)

Dawson- 171 (up from 199)

Charlton- 175 (up from 183)

Shallman- 182 (down from 160)

LTT- 235 (down from 109)

Gedeon- 237 (down from 224)

 

Other notables:

Scott Pagano- 104 (up from unranked)

Jordan Wilkins- 128 (up from 209)

Devon Allen- 129 (down from 110)

Cole Luke- 202 (up from unranked)

Paul Harris- 214 (up from unranked)

Tashawn Bower- unranked (down from 250)

 

Themes:

1. If you didn't go to camp, you got a slight decrease to make room for new evaluated players or risers from camps (20 new players in the Rivals 250).

2. If you performed well at camp, you got a slight bump (Dawson, Lewis, Charlton). If you had a bad camp, you took a nosedive (LTT).

 

 

 

 

 

Jfox1020

May 30th, 2012 at 11:36 AM ^

LTT will be just fine when he gets to AA...I personally like espn over all the sites for football with scouts in a close 2nd.. Rivals loves SEC commits..Some kind of weird southern love.. 24/7 is still to new for me..

FreddieMercuryHayes

May 30th, 2012 at 11:43 AM ^

It's a bigger drop than expected, but honestly, he was a bit overrated when initially ranked I think. His offer list speaks for itself because his potential and upside are unlimited, but right now he has a lot of work to do. Needs to learn to use his feet, not reach, and very much redistribute his weight.

hart20

May 30th, 2012 at 11:39 AM ^

dominates at multiple camps, demolishing 4 and 5 star players with ease, gets an invite to the Rivals Five Star challenge, and moves up 28 spots. Talk about inconsistency.

RakeFight

May 30th, 2012 at 1:58 PM ^

In a way, I'm glad LTT dropped so far... hopefully it will provide him more motivation to work hard and fulfill his potential.  The potential is there, as evidenced by his offer list.  And at this point, regardless of how legitimate the excuses are, he's got a lot of work to do to get his momentum headed back toward his ceiling.

opwolverine97

May 30th, 2012 at 2:44 PM ^

LTT needs to rehab his shoulder, learn to use his feet, do a better job with leverage, be more agressive at the point of attack, lose a ton of weight, eat better, and develop a slightly more nasty streak if he is to live up to his dream of emulating Jake Long.  Does he have the physical tools and a great attitude, yes!  Does he burn OSU letters to show his loyalty to us, yes!  Is he vocal and a team player, yes!  But he has a long, long way to go and a definite red shirt.

redhousewolverine

May 30th, 2012 at 7:14 PM ^

Yes, but Dawson had multiple good camps and does not have a partial excuse for his performance. I'm not really frustrated with LTT's drop, it was to e expected, but stil doesn't explain his major drop and Dawsons average rise (unless Dawson's positive performance was outweighed by LTTs negative performance). I guess it could be like grades: easy to drop, much harder to climb up.

Magnus

May 30th, 2012 at 8:26 PM ^

Let's pretend for a second that camps are useful.

Dawson was pretty highly rated after the season.  He showed up to camps, did his thing, and moved up to #171 overall.  It might not be "elite" but that's still a pretty good ranking.

Tuley-Tillman was pretty highly rated after the season.  He showed up to camps, lacked technique, and reportedly looked out of shape.  The reason for the last flaw is supposedly a bum shoulder.

I'm sorry, but you don't HAVE to get out of shape when you have a bum shoulder.  You can still run, do lower body work, etc.  Perhaps it was a significant concern to the Rivals evaluators that Tuley-Tillman let himself get out of shape.  Sure, he can work himself back into shape...but he still might not be one of the top 234 players in the country.  There are lots of kids out there who didn't get out of shape, have solid technique, etc.

Magnus

May 30th, 2012 at 3:53 PM ^

...and he went up in the rankings based on those camps.  If camps are overrated and he only got a slight bump based on those camps, then perhaps that's because the evaluators aren't convinced that his camp performance is duplicated on the field.  Your comment isn't really a counterpoint.

mushroomX3

May 30th, 2012 at 12:04 PM ^

It's funny how we think so many of our recruits are underrated. Under what objective basis can we conclude whether it's sourceA that underrating the player or sourceB that is overrating the player? 

 

thisisme08

May 30th, 2012 at 12:33 PM ^

while yes, maize colored glasses and all, a lot of our commits have been taking home Camp MVP, position MVP, or lighting up each camp they go too and yet the rankings come out and you see a slight bump or a 20 spot drop. With that info available to the sites you would think they could come to more of a consensus. 

I still believe that each site gives a friendly raise in the rankings based on if your commited or not hence our class starting off super high and slowly coming back down.

WolvinLA2

May 30th, 2012 at 1:47 PM ^

But like who, really?  Dawson was the OL MVP at the Columbus camp.  What other D1 lineman was there?  LTT, but that's refelcted by Dawson being rated higher than LTT.  What guys in our class have been out-shining other higher ranked recruits at their position?  I'm just saying, if an M commit goes to a camp with all players ranked lower than him, and he ends up being the best player at that camp, that doesn't mean he needs to go up in the rankings. 

If Dawson went to a camp with a handful of top-50 linemen and made them all look like middle schoolers, you'd have a case.  But that hasn't happened.  And being in the top 250 is still a really big deal - most of the guys on that list would dominate their position group at a regional camp where most of the regional talent didn't come. 

NDPhilly

May 30th, 2012 at 1:03 PM ^

Both went to camps out of shape and unprepared. LTT I believe is a top 100 player when in shape.

Dawson is to low.

How Butt is ahead of Mike Heuerman is beyond me.

WolvinLA2

May 30th, 2012 at 1:55 PM ^

Beyond you?  Jake Butt is one of the top TEs in the country to all of the services, he's legit.  Heuerman is also good, but to say that it's "beyond you" how Butt could possibly be ranked higher is either naive or straight homer.  As an ND fan, I'm sure it's some magical combination of the two. 

Just because you say two nice things about our recruits doesn't make your last statement any less ridiculous.  These are the comments that make other fanbases dislike ND fans.