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New Rivals 250 update

Rivals released its updated top 250 this morning. Michigan has the most of any school with 13 of its 18 commits in the top 250.

Michigan highlights:

Butt- 118 (down from 96)

Lewis- 147 (up from 167)

Dawson- 171 (up from 199)

Charlton- 175 (up from 183)

Shallman- 182 (down from 160)

LTT- 235 (down from 109)

Gedeon- 237 (down from 224)

 

Other notables:

Scott Pagano- 104 (up from unranked)

Jordan Wilkins- 128 (up from 209)

Devon Allen- 129 (down from 110)

Cole Luke- 202 (up from unranked)

Paul Harris- 214 (up from unranked)

Tashawn Bower- unranked (down from 250)

 

Themes:

1. If you didn't go to camp, you got a slight decrease to make room for new evaluated players or risers from camps (20 new players in the Rivals 250).

2. If you performed well at camp, you got a slight bump (Dawson, Lewis, Charlton). If you had a bad camp, you took a nosedive (LTT).

 

 

 

 

 

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May 30th, 2012 at 11:36 AM | LTT will be just fine when he (Score:1 Normal)
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LTT will be just fine when he gets to AA...I personally like espn over all the sites for football with scouts in a close 2nd.. Rivals loves SEC commits..Some kind of weird southern love.. 24/7 is still to new for me..

Go Blue

May 30th, 2012 at 11:41 AM | They might like the SEC (Score:5 Normal)
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They might like the SEC recruits because they're really good. /Magnus'd

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May 30th, 2012 at 11:50 AM | When do I talk about SEC (Score:2 Normal)
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When do I talk about SEC recruits?

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May 30th, 2012 at 12:28 PM | Or (Score:5 Normal)
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Or it's not like SEC schools can recruit 5 recruits for every 4 recruits that Big Ten and Pac-12 schools can recruit...

Oh wait....who were the 2 teams in the national championship this year? I'm sure there's no correlation...

Intensity is a lot of guys that run fast.

May 30th, 2012 at 12:48 PM | Because of course prior (Score:1)
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Because of course prior accomplishments assure future success.  I mean, just look at Notre Dame and their storied history that has clearly only been added-to with their recent run of top-10 finishes.

May 30th, 2012 at 1:01 PM | You must be a billy with (Score:0)
May 30th, 2012 at 2:48 PM | 4 teams have been really (Score:2)
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4 teams have been really good. Not the entire SEC, just 4 teams

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May 30th, 2012 at 2:09 PM | Actually mathlete showed that (Score:3 Normal)
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Actually mathlete showed that ESPN has the strongest southern bias.

Galileo was also chastised.

May 30th, 2012 at 7:08 PM | Also, didn't Mathlete show (Score:3 Normal)
redhousewolverine
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Also, didn't Mathlete show Rivals is the most accurate with Scout a close second. I think ESPN does a great job with basketball, but Rivals is the best at football. Got to give 247 some more time to establish themselves.

"The unexamined life is not worth living." Socrates.

May 30th, 2012 at 11:36 AM | didn't LTT have a bad (Score:5 Normal)
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didn't LTT have a bad shoulder when he was in that last camp?  That's a big drop.  

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May 30th, 2012 at 11:38 AM | Yeah he had a bum shoulder (Score:5 Normal)
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Yeah he had a bum shoulder and couldn't perform as well as he had hoped.

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May 30th, 2012 at 11:43 AM | It's a bigger drop than (Score:2 Normal)
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It's a bigger drop than expected, but honestly, he was a bit overrated when initially ranked I think. His offer list speaks for itself because his potential and upside are unlimited, but right now he has a lot of work to do. Needs to learn to use his feet, not reach, and very much redistribute his weight.

May 30th, 2012 at 11:36 AM | Someone at Rivals didn't (Score:5 Normal)
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Someone at Rivals didn't approve of LTT's mail burning.

If you can't get into college go to State.

May 30th, 2012 at 11:37 AM | Nice analysis. (Score:3 Normal)
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Nice analysis.

May 30th, 2012 at 11:39 AM | LTT has one bad camp and drops 126 spots. Dawson (Score:5 Normal)
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dominates at multiple camps, demolishing 4 and 5 star players with ease, gets an invite to the Rivals Five Star challenge, and moves up 28 spots. Talk about inconsistency.

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May 30th, 2012 at 11:52 AM | Logan Tuley-Tillman had more (Score:4 Normal)
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Logan Tuley-Tillman had more than one bad camp, and I don't think the shoulder was an excuse for the entire offseason.

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May 30th, 2012 at 1:58 PM | In a way, I'm glad LTT (Score:2)
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In a way, I'm glad LTT dropped so far... hopefully it will provide him more motivation to work hard and fulfill his potential.  The potential is there, as evidenced by his offer list.  And at this point, regardless of how legitimate the excuses are, he's got a lot of work to do to get his momentum headed back toward his ceiling.

May 30th, 2012 at 2:44 PM | LTT has a long way to go (Score:3 Normal)
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LTT needs to rehab his shoulder, learn to use his feet, do a better job with leverage, be more agressive at the point of attack, lose a ton of weight, eat better, and develop a slightly more nasty streak if he is to live up to his dream of emulating Jake Long.  Does he have the physical tools and a great attitude, yes!  Does he burn OSU letters to show his loyalty to us, yes!  Is he vocal and a team player, yes!  But he has a long, long way to go and a definite red shirt.

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May 30th, 2012 at 7:14 PM | Yes, but Dawson had multiple (Score:1)
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Yes, but Dawson had multiple good camps and does not have a partial excuse for his performance. I'm not really frustrated with LTT's drop, it was to e expected, but stil doesn't explain his major drop and Dawsons average rise (unless Dawson's positive performance was outweighed by LTTs negative performance). I guess it could be like grades: easy to drop, much harder to climb up.

"The unexamined life is not worth living." Socrates.

May 30th, 2012 at 8:26 PM | Let's pretend for a second (Score:1)
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Let's pretend for a second that camps are useful.

Dawson was pretty highly rated after the season.  He showed up to camps, did his thing, and moved up to #171 overall.  It might not be "elite" but that's still a pretty good ranking.

Tuley-Tillman was pretty highly rated after the season.  He showed up to camps, lacked technique, and reportedly looked out of shape.  The reason for the last flaw is supposedly a bum shoulder.

I'm sorry, but you don't HAVE to get out of shape when you have a bum shoulder.  You can still run, do lower body work, etc.  Perhaps it was a significant concern to the Rivals evaluators that Tuley-Tillman let himself get out of shape.  Sure, he can work himself back into shape...but he still might not be one of the top 234 players in the country.  There are lots of kids out there who didn't get out of shape, have solid technique, etc.

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May 30th, 2012 at 11:39 AM | The rivals staff decided to (Score:2 Overrated)
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The rivals staff decided to exclude Deveon Smith from the pool of players they evaluated.... It has to be that, or they just suck

May 30th, 2012 at 11:40 AM | Im (Score:2 Normal)
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waiting for LTT to start another fire.

If an OSU fan divorces his wife are they still brother and sister?

May 30th, 2012 at 11:42 AM | isnt a QB missing??? (Score:-1 Flamebait)
May 30th, 2012 at 11:43 AM | Why would Jim Tressel be on (Score:5 Normal)
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Why would Jim Tressel be on Rivals 250?

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May 30th, 2012 at 11:46 AM | The Rivals Top 100 was (Score:2 Normal)
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The Rivals Top 100 was covered yesterday.

http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/new-rivals-100-1

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May 30th, 2012 at 11:53 AM | ahhh i see now (Score:2 Normal)
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stupid job, life, kids, got in the way from my checking of recruiting news! thanks, 

May 30th, 2012 at 1:07 PM | Always let mgoblog get in the (Score:2 Normal)
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Always let mgoblog get in the way of work, not the other way around. 

May 30th, 2012 at 11:45 AM | Covered yesterday: (Score:1 Redundant)
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http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/new-rivals-100-1

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May 30th, 2012 at 11:45 AM | Also, Gedeon still massively (Score:2 Normal)
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Also, Gedeon still massively underrated.

May 30th, 2012 at 11:46 AM | I can't believe Gareon Conley (Score:1)
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I can't believe Gareon Conley was still left out of the 250. Every other site has him rated much higher, Rivals has him completely underrated. 

May 30th, 2012 at 11:58 AM | Every site will be higher on (Score:2)
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Every site will be higher on some guys and lower on the other guys than the competing sites. It's possible that Rivals isn't as sold on Conley as the other sites, but Rivals is unusually high on McCray, Butt, etc. Just the way it goes.

May 30th, 2012 at 12:30 PM | Yep (Score:2)
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Yep, for example: Rivals isn't backing off their lofty ranking of EJ Levenberry, unlike a lot of the other sites that have dropped him quite a bit.

Intensity is a lot of guys that run fast.

May 30th, 2012 at 3:13 PM | Not that Rivals is unable to (Score:1)
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Not that Rivals is unable to make mistakes, but they have shown to be the most accurate when it comes to rating prospects.  So...maybe the other sites are wrong.

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May 30th, 2012 at 11:56 AM | How did dawson not rise more? (Score:1)
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How did dawson not rise more? The guy has been going beast mode in the camps.

May 30th, 2012 at 1:56 PM | Especially since Rivals just (Score:1)
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Especially since Rivals just did a front page article on his prep for the 5 Star Challenge.  As I recall, they also spoke of his prior camp success.

 

 

May 30th, 2012 at 3:14 PM | Camps are overrated, (Score:1)
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Camps are overrated, especially for linemen.

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May 30th, 2012 at 3:49 PM | But the only thing that has (Score:1)
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But the only thing that has changed since the last rerankings were people's performances at camps, which he has been doing really well at.

May 30th, 2012 at 3:53 PM | ...and he went up in the (Score:2 Normal)
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...and he went up in the rankings based on those camps.  If camps are overrated and he only got a slight bump based on those camps, then perhaps that's because the evaluators aren't convinced that his camp performance is duplicated on the field.  Your comment isn't really a counterpoint.

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May 30th, 2012 at 7:16 PM | The bright side is that we (Score:1)
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The bright side is that we can apply the camps are overrated logic to LTT.

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May 30th, 2012 at 12:33 PM | while yes, maize colored (Score:1)
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while yes, maize colored glasses and all, a lot of our commits have been taking home Camp MVP, position MVP, or lighting up each camp they go too and yet the rankings come out and you see a slight bump or a 20 spot drop. With that info available to the sites you would think they could come to more of a consensus. 

I still believe that each site gives a friendly raise in the rankings based on if your commited or not hence our class starting off super high and slowly coming back down.

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May 30th, 2012 at 1:47 PM | But like who, really?  Dawson (Score:2)
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But like who, really?  Dawson was the OL MVP at the Columbus camp.  What other D1 lineman was there?  LTT, but that's refelcted by Dawson being rated higher than LTT.  What guys in our class have been out-shining other higher ranked recruits at their position?  I'm just saying, if an M commit goes to a camp with all players ranked lower than him, and he ends up being the best player at that camp, that doesn't mean he needs to go up in the rankings. 

If Dawson went to a camp with a handful of top-50 linemen and made them all look like middle schoolers, you'd have a case.  But that hasn't happened.  And being in the top 250 is still a really big deal - most of the guys on that list would dominate their position group at a regional camp where most of the regional talent didn't come. 

May 30th, 2012 at 3:02 PM | This. (Score:1)
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Dawson will get his jump when he does well at The Opening against some better competition.

May 30th, 2012 at 12:06 PM | You forgot one... (Score:1)
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If you commit to the ESPN AA Game over the Army AA Game...you go up.

ESPN LOVES to talk about it's top prospects....

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May 30th, 2012 at 1:03 PM | LTT and Steve Elmer (Score:1)
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Both went to camps out of shape and unprepared. LTT I believe is a top 100 player when in shape.

Dawson is to low.

How Butt is ahead of Mike Heuerman is beyond me.

May 30th, 2012 at 1:55 PM | Beyond you?  Jake Butt is one (Score:3 Normal)
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Beyond you?  Jake Butt is one of the top TEs in the country to all of the services, he's legit.  Heuerman is also good, but to say that it's "beyond you" how Butt could possibly be ranked higher is either naive or straight homer.  As an ND fan, I'm sure it's some magical combination of the two. 

Just because you say two nice things about our recruits doesn't make your last statement any less ridiculous.  These are the comments that make other fanbases dislike ND fans.   

May 30th, 2012 at 2:30 PM | Explain (Score:-1 Flamebait)
May 30th, 2012 at 2:49 PM | Jake Butt committed in feb so (Score:3 Normal)
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Jake Butt committed in feb so he didnt get the offers that would have come had he not been commited

May 30th, 2012 at 3:06 PM | The notre dame offer weakens (Score:4 Normal)
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The notre dame offer weakens that list greatly.

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May 30th, 2012 at 3:19 PM | Ah, yes, the old "I'm using (Score:2)
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Ah, yes, the old "I'm using offer list alone to prove who's better" argument.

In that case, LTT is WAAAY better than Steve Elmer, which might be true anyway, since Elmer only has offers from M, ND and Stanford and LTT has offers from Bama, USC, OSU and FSU. We could do this with a bunch of different players. Shane Morris doesn't have many elite offers either, does that mean he's not that good?

In addition to the reasons above about Butt's commitment date, keep in mind that Heuerman might have a lot of those Southern offers by being from Florida and having an older brother playing D1 football. There aren't a lot of good TEs in the South this year, whereas Big Ten country is filled with them.

May 30th, 2012 at 3:19 PM | For such an unabashed fan of (Score:2 Normal)
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For such an unabashed fan of Mike Heuerman, I would think you might come close to spelling his name correctly.

I guess not, though.

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