looked awful at the Under Armour game.
Hart and Frost are 19 and 20 respectively, Hayes is our only guy in the top 100.
looked awful at the Under Armour game.
Hart and Frost are 19 and 20 respectively, Hayes is our only guy in the top 100.
Looks really good. What are the chances that he plays next year? We have a huge crop of RBs returning, but none of them has been anything close to a stand-out. V. Smith is a good blocker, but lacks the size to do anything between the tackles and the speed to break outside. Shaw has shown flashes, but not anything approaching consistent production. Fitz is always injured (maybe that changes next year). Hopkins has the size to be a Brandon Jacobs-esque between the tackles runner, so he is a potential regular contributor. And RR apparently saw some issues with Cox and chose not to use him.
Don't want to post a new topic on this, but since you mentioned Hayes, curious as to where people see him fitting in next year.
will want to use him. Rodriguez was going to use him as a slot wr, but who knows how we'll use slots now.
If Hayes is a running back, there's a fairly decent log jam there. Can't imagine he'd get a ton of run as a freshman, but who knows.
There is a log jam, but none of the logs were able to establish themselves last year, so you never know. Hoke's superstar running back at SDSU was recruited as a WR everywhere else.
"Rodriguez was going to use him as a slot wr"
Incorrect, RR used v. smith as a big back, running him in short yardage situations. Come on, pay attention.
He really was being recruited as a slot though. Come on; pay attention.
He was having a mediocre senior year at best before getting injured. His back up came in and put up over a 1,000 yards and is a better RB IMO.
But he's a dandy.
I think Hopkins will play a major roll with the offense and Hayes will get a few carries here and there but with our depth it will be difficult for him to get a lot of carries early in the games.
If he is only going to get a gew carries, then I hope that they redshirt him. This is one position where we have bodies to spare, and Hayes has the potential to be a big time RB at the next level, so if he is not going to be a big contributor, I would rather see him get a year of solid S&C, technique and practice, so that he can tear it up for the next 4 years.
I completely agree. If Hayes comes in and establishes himself as a front runner at RB for the team, then I would have no problem him playing. But if he is only going to run a little bit he needs to be RS because we have plenty of depth at RB.
I would be shocked if Hayes gets a single carry this year. We have lots of depth at running back. If he was Michael Dyer or Marcus Lattimore, that would be something else, but your typical 4-star running back is not going to get carries over 5 other 4-star guys who are in their 2nd, 3rd and 4th seasons. I suspect the depth will look like: Hopkins, Shaw, Smith, Cox, Toussaint, and I wouldn't be surprised to see any of them have a breakout year.
Dee won the MVP but it was on a reverse that was wide open. I like Dee a lot and wish he stayed in this class, but during his other runs he reminded me of Vincent Smith.
Frost is a big loss IMO, if he gets playing WR out of his head he will be a very good LB.
This is surely sour grapes, but didn't he get run down by an LB? I didn't see the electric moves I expected to. One game sample - he may not have cared about that game at all -, but he didn't seem quite so dominant playing against that level of competition.
ya other than his abiility to be shifty, his other runs didn't impress me at all, neither did his speed. I thought as he tried getting to the endzone he looked exactly like V. Smith.
Sometimes it takes a few experiences like that to get a kid to think twice about what he wants versus what he really projects to be good at.
I hosted a kid last summer for the USA Baseball 18U team trials. His dad had been on him to play catcher, and he had the best measures for that position on his tournament team. He really wanted to pitch, declined the opportunity to catch early in the week, and got shellacked by the higher national level of batting. He didn't make the cut, but he did start catching at the other national events he played in during the summer.
It's hard when you the local or state top dog, to understand and realize you need to adjust to compete at the next level.
When you watch his HS tape he looks fast and very shifty,but in the AA game he did not look fast or shifty. I never really believed it when people said he doesn't have breakaway speed, but I guess they were right.
but didn't he only get to play 3 or 4 games this year because of a wrist injury? Interesting that the recruiting sites remain so high on him. I like it obviously.
it's because his previous years were pretty awesome. he was pretty productive his junior yr and they see that he probably hasn't lost that talent
I'm a referee up in the Grand Blanc area and that kid is pretty ridiculous. Granted not Big Ten competition every week but still impressive.
How come the players that we pursue very hard and were considered LOCKS (Frost, Hart) now move up and become 5-star's with a higher status and it seems like all of our solid commits are always dropping when the new rankings come out.
Well, now they have the ESS EEE SEE SPEED, so of course they move up.
If you have followed recruiting the past couple of years, when a recuit commits to Michigan they fall in the rankings.
Frost tackles D Hart and they both sing the victors.
How does ND reload every year? At some point (I would imagine) it has to pay off on the field.
Now that they've finally got the right coach, I have a feeling that point has already arrived.
As does Michigan. The madness of the past year or so has caused may to lose sight of this. Next year will we will be back to where we were in recruiting; cleaning up in Mich and in on, and closing on, more than our fair share of 4 and 5*s. Unfortunately, as discussed over and over here, it is a bit late to see that this year.
RR did a good job of getting kids interested in Michigan that otherwise probably would not have been, I am hoping the Hoke and his staff can do the same thing. we have a lot to offer not only as a fantastic academic institution, but also as a great football school. I think Hoke will do a good job of selling the University as a whole and get us back to where we belong!
Hoke can make a great suprise pick up before signing day like RRod did with Robinson and Dorsey although he never played for us.
I just hope Brady Hoke can finish strong.
I am hoping we can get a few more 4-stars.
stop just stop ..... this depresses me. :(( wow this could have been a sick class, unless Hoke can pull something together this will be such a wasted recruiting class........Maybe we still get frost?
It was reported that Auburn accepted his commitment earlier today
Apparently Auburn was acting decently. They wouldn't accept him until they were sure they had a spot for him after a WR entered the draft.
God, I used to love this game!!!
Ha! Me too. I used to love that game. Thanks for the reminder! I was terrible at it but still a good time. Thanks for helping me try to forget about our recruiting woes momentarily.
It seems like everytime I read that one of our guys has either de-committed or has started to look around, Brian Kelly is picking up another commit. He has been killing it. Of course it's not like Weis didn't do the same, but this still worries me.
There is no excuse for that kid dying, but do me a favor and just pray for his family. I think you're out of line.
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As the poster noted, he wasn't being snarky. ND is pathetic that literally no one has been called to account for a young man's death over two months later, not even a suspension, let alone a firing. They apparently know enough to use the lift again, which contradicts what they said when it first happened (i.e., they wouldn't use the lift until the investigation is complete).
I don't care how many 5-stars Kelly gets or how good he can run the spread. He was in charge of a football practice where a young man died. It was somebody's fault - and it definitely wasn't Declan Sullivan's.
You're right, that's not snarky at all, afterall, he said it wasn't.
I'm going to get into intent. While you were, admirably, being charitable in your phrase, "just pray for his family", I think the poster was also doing something valuable - reminding people it wasn't an act of God that killed Declan Sullivan. It was extremely likely that it was someone in charge of ND football who negligently was.
Unless ND's investigation somehow shows Brian Kelly is a) not in charge of where ND practices b) not in charge of when ND practices and c) ultimately not responsible for football personnel, he should be fired before next year. Yet it seems like many folks, includind ND recruits and those evaluating ND's class, have moved on and don't have any concern about this possibility.
So you can do both - pray for his family, and pray for justice (if you are so inclined for prayer).
Why didn't we grill Rich Rod for going over on practice time or having a couple extra coaches at summer camp? Probably because it wasn't even something he knew about or had any hand in. I'm sure Brian Kelly had no direct hand in putting employees in the sky that day, and I'm sure if he put two and two together he would have brought them down. But his mind was on his job, trying to execute a practice. Coaches can't control or be responsible for every facet of their practices operation.
RR was focused more on Florida.
But now with Hoke, I envision that Hoke v. Kelly on recruiting trail will be a major factor and rivalry. I'd say Tressel too but I just don't know if we can break that Iron Curtain surrounding most of Ohio.
But Michigan and ND are very similar and with Hoke having good ties in Indiana and Illinois, it may be accentuated even more.
does anyone feel like they got punched in the cojones after reading this post?
FML, still hanging on to the thought of Hoke getting in Frost's ear....fingers crossed.
I keep coming in hoping to find something... anything... to raise my spirits on this ugly, gray Michigan day.
I know we have the potential "hello" to Flowers around the corner, but for some reason I have a hard time getting excited about him. Maybe it's because Lucien looked like such a beast in comparion...
Tough times in Ann Arbor... But at least the women's water polo team kicks off the season this weekend!
I certainly would if I had them! I do feel for all you guys though.
Yeah, this is definitely a dong punch :-(
Wait your telling me once a recruit steps on the field the star raitings mean nothing. I though for sure there must be some advantage to being considered a 5* by rivals. I thought it was called the Rivals effect and gave all 5*s +5 overall attributes.
Makes you wonder what would have been if RR had not been fired... Hart, Frost, Zettel. Easily top 15 class plus a new D-coordinator.
I may be wrong, but I don't think Hart - despite all his talk - was going to end up blue anyway, and didn't Zettel commit to PSU while RR was still technically here?
Well you have to think that all the uncertainty about RR's job security HAD to play a part in both of thee guys's decisions. And true, Zettel did announce while RR was still at the helm (Dec. 28) but it was after the OSU game when a lot of people where calling for his head.
Technically yeah Zettel commited while RR was still here, but the writing was on the wall RR was all but history and the questions at coach lead Zettel right to JoePa's lap.
So then the State of Michigan has no one with 5 Stars if Thomas lost his star in the latest rating.
Be sure to point this out to anyone who repeats the myth that RR couldn't recruit. Also, fuck you, David Brandon.
Makes me feel somewhat better. But not a lot.
That means they're down to 4 DEs and only two of them have 5 *. Assuming I'm reading Tim's latest summary of B 10 recruiting correctly.
Our recruiting class this year is a nightmare and sets Hoke up for failure down the road. Awful.
I always knew we were holding him back for that coveted fifth star.
So right now our Rivals recruiting ranking puts us at number 43. Right in front of Southern Methodist......
Nothing like giving SMU an old fashioned beat down.
I'm not worried about our rb situation as much as 8 out of the 11 defensive spots plus "our stupid idiot kicker"! Not to mention our punting game looked like we were kicking a 20 lb cannon ball.......
The class would have looked quite different had Rodriguez been retained... two top-20 five stars would have gone a long way in turning this class around.
Frost, Zettel, Hart, Justice Hayes - 4 players in the top 100 and who knows who else we would have pulled out at the end. If Sammy Watkins got swung in our direction. This could have been the best class Rich pulled and now it just seems shattered. It seems so depressing that ... fuck it I don't need to rehash! Please Brady Hoke show us you are a miracle worker!!!