Peppers at 10, which seems low.
I'm surprised they didn't blame the refs.
MSU could learn a thing or two on blaming the refs and the conference from PSU.
Indeed. Secret underground meetings, payoffs, Lloyd Carr being related to the refs and basically all Big Ten athletic directors having the PSU logo on a dart board in their offices as they twirl their mustaches and do their evil villain laughs.
There isn't a single conspiracy theory I didn't hear from those guys back when I posted on rivals.com.
WE ONLY LOST 1 GAME!
Damage has been done. Move on, PSU.
Isn't this the same guy who directed, "Adolf, not a bad fella" and "Why cancer is healthy" ?
Well Adolf DID kill Hitler... and the guy who killed Hitler...
"Hey Guys, when do we get the koolaid?"
This has seriously dove to depths of delusion and irrationality that I cannot comprehend.
PSU: "It didn't happen."
SANITY: "But what about this condeming evidence that JoPa and the administration knew something was going on?"
PSU: "Evidence? I'm not listening! LA LA LA LALALALALA!"
"And we would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those pesky victims and the media..."
-Ghost of JoPa as special celebrity guest in a Scooby-Do episode
still doesn't get it
wow if you go to the youtube video, Penn State fans are totally pumped for this. Again, Penn State fans still more concerned about Paterno's legacy than molested children. And now I'm back to wanting to see them lose every game ever.
I want saturday to be the last game they win for the next few years. PSU and its fans continue to disgust me.
That is all.
You win the thread sir. Let's lock it down
PS At least JoPa will be able to attend
but then they can go ahead and lose all the rest of them. God those idiots don't get it and never will.
It's really amazing to see such denial. Franco Harris has convinced himself that because McQuery didn't see "intercourse," therefore what McQuery did see was not a sexual assault. Because, you know, there is nothing sexually inappropriate about a grown man pressing his naked body against a naked prepubescent boy in a shower at 9 p.m. on a Friday night. I wish they had gotten the death penalty for 4 years.
The Fine case is used in a hamfisted attempt to discredit ESPN. Oops. Feds just dropped case against Fine today.
It's been a long day and I read your last sentance quickly. I thought "man does this guy not know how the death penaty works"...then realized that you weren't talking about an execution. O boy...time to go home
...it was a year ago today (+/- 1 day) that this whole story broke. Its amazing what changed in that year and how fast it took.
but beat Nebraska, please... then crawl under a rock
Crazy people gonna be crazy.
ugh let this story die already, though i know it never will. i'm all for psu rebounding as it makes the B1G stronger, but the delusion is sickening. your coach was a fraud who cared more about wins and losses than the well-being of children. he's responsible for his own downfall. story over, move on.
Let's start with one point the media is slanted and biased and will butcher the truth in anyway they feel will elicit the largest response out of people. Anybody who believes anything they are told without a large helping of skepticism deserves the fate that comes to them. With that being said who really cares if somebody else puts out something that's biased slanted and butchers the truth to try to elicit the response they are looking for. No one knows the truth or what Joe Paterno actually knew, or how he interpreted things or what his motivations were. Probably the only person who knew the truth is dead and if he wasn't nobody would be interested in what he had to say unless it fit their narrative anyway. With all that being said I would have been surprised if something like this never came out.
...but I guess my only question is this - does the International Documentary Association also give out a yearly award for the "Most Unashamedly Biased Documentary"? If so, will John Ziegler get some sort of grant to produce more like this? I hope not.
ADDENDUM: John Ziegler is the person who produced this - here's the link to his accompanying editorial on the subject. If you didn't watch the video, reading this will basically tell you why you shouldn't watch the video if you're expecting something thoughful (which you shouldn't).
Srsly, and some idiot made a movie denegrating Muhammad.
Look, anyone with a computer can make a movie these days. And stick a camera in someone's face and record total drivel.
I don't see anyone explaining who made this video. I didn't see any credits, up front or at the back (sadly, I'm not compelled to watch all 32 minutes). So when the OP said "PSU" made this, I don't think so. An official PSU movie would say that, someplace. Frankly, anyone with a professional reputation would say who made this.
Seems to me this is some underground PSU fan trying to put up a fight for the sake of fighting. Not anything official or sanctioned. And no one in the mainstream is going to believe this garbage, so don't get worked up over it.
In other words, move on people, just someone wallowing in his misery. (And wasting some of his coin to do it.)
Who has a website, www.FramingPaterno.com , and he's using the YouTube video to try to get publicity to get funding, for a larger documentary project.
If somebody has a story to tell, I guess I don't mind it so much. I'm not terribly afraid of information or storytelling or reporting; it will all meet the critical analysis of the public marketplace of ideas, right? If is is a garbage apologia, it'll show, I suppose.
And yes, there does not seem to be so much as a hint of any official Penn State involvement in the project. Far from it, probably. Although it looked as though some interviews were conducted on university property. Was that all borrowed footage? Is this just some video cut-and-paste job so far? Or has John Ziegler actually shot video?
I, for one, am looking forward to the upcoming perjury and obstruction of justice trials of the "big three". My bet is that at least one (if not more) of them will roll big time on St Joe in effort to save their skin. It will be very interesting to see what the PSU slappies have to say if one of them say....has physical evidence they can produce showing evidence of Paterno trying to extort their silence.
As much as they'd like it to be over the public disclosure and investigation of the depth of their crimes has really just gotten started. Who knew what and when did they know it is going to come out. It always does.
The person who comes clean and tells exactly what JoePa knew will be vilified. They've already made their minds up that Joe was a saint and things like facts or the truth won't change a thing.
feel good story of the year.
agree that the media "framed" Joe Paterno. However, I do think that Paterno became "the face" of the scandal as opposed to the actual perpetrator of the original henious crimes. I think that many people have crossed over into actually associating Joe Paterno with Sandusky's acts, and that is unfair.
That's the dumbest post I've read in a long time. Nice work.
Where is the accountability?
Pretty much anyone can get one now, and that's not a bad thing, but it makes it pretty easy to make a documentary.
<airquote> documentary <airquote>
Way to go, now the whole damn thread is in air quotes.
I watched the first minutes and all they say is "No they/he did not" across every news report. Sounds like they are attempting the now infamous and nearly successful Etch-a-Sketch defense.
This was shot in a Holiday Inn conference room. Or Dunder Mifflin's Scranton branch.
Listen, I had my doubts about the quality of this film, but then I saw animated text superimposed over video clips and I was hooked.
Listen, when you don't have facts on your side OR public sentiment, just stick two fingers in your ears and yell really loud until everyone listens to you. That is apparently the approach taken by this video.
Paterno wasn't the monster who raped a bunch of boys; he's just the guy who let it happen under this watch and failed to take adequate steps to halt it. He's not a "bad" guy in the same way Sandusky is; he's a person who grossly failed in his duties as an employee at PSU and as someone who should be trying to protect small children from a sexual predator he employed.
If the PSU folks in the video believe all of what they say in the video to be true then why not sue the living shit out of ESPN for slander, liable and anything else?
Why make some youtube video about it?
I hope everybody realizes that the actions by a crazy faction of the fanbase doesn't represent the entire fanbase. I know a lot of PSU alums and none of them are even close to resembling the crazy fools who keep making the headlines like this.
The hatred for the parties responsible for what happened is understood but I really wish the blanket statements and lumping of groups would stop. It really sucks when some of your close friends are called Ped State rapists when they are just as disgusted by what happened as anyone else.
Penn State...what a joke. Can't believe I have to root for these assholes tomorrow.
Ever get the impression that Coach O'Brien has the "super jalapeno sensation" with this topic - very uncomfortable during the first dose while eating and then persistent discomfort while exiting.
"Super" with PSU because they're trying to shove the excrement all the way in reverse and disclaim the whole thing.
You cannot compare the two. In the case of Cuse, the sole "victim" was some dude who apparently slept with the coaches bitter wife and, according to him, had consensual intercourse with Fine into, at least, his mid 20s. His testimony was inconsisten left and right. On one tape he says this and on another he completely contradicts himself. His story was not corroborated, then corroborated, then not corroborated, the corroborated, etc., by his druggie brother, who has a shady past, a record, and (likely) along with his brother wanted to get some $$$ from Fine, in light of the PSU coverage. Of the other two "victims" in the Fine case, one was a felon who admitted that he flat out lied (and never actually met Fine) and the other was about to get a couple of decades in prison for molesting small kids and, it turned out, he (admittedly) lied as well. In the PSU case, the assistant actually caught Sandusky in the act and the whole PSU admin covered it up, including Paterno.
Everytime I think PSU has suffered enough and it's time to give them a break, they go ahead and do something so unabashedly shameful to reignite my hatred of them.
Creating a "documentary" that tries to rewrite history fits into this category
F*#k Penn State....and oh yeah, beat Nebraska.
I am not surprised at all by this junk. These people will never acknowledge that their old coach was an unethical person. I hope to God Pitt rails them when they play again in 2016 and 2017. I am looking forward to those games more than any and its 2012.
So true though saveferris
F*#k State College....and oh yeah, beat Nebraska
First off, I would encourage no one to waste their time with this video. In summary, the video jumps around interviews connecting them to make it seem like there is not conclusive evidence that concealement occurs.
I can't believe Franco Harris agreed to do this documentary as well as some Board of Trustee members. I wonder if he is still happy he participated.
The common thing about the interviews is inconsistenty. They argue there was confusion of the sexual terms used by Mcquery and Patterno during their explanations.
At one point the producer of this video, makes the comment that no sexual act occured in the shower because the victim withdrew the claim at a later date.
?!?!?!!What are you talking about?
This video trys to defend Sandusky. I am flabbergasted that this person is still making these claims. I am glad that this presentation could not be censored on the internet because it is a reminder to me that people from my home will still make these claims. With that said, most PSU graduates do not think like this producer.
Two decent claims he made:
The University did not have a person who could speak for them with all the leaders of the school being eliminated. However, why couldn't the chairman of the board step up and fill that void?
The other is that the media did not pursue Sandusky to interview like they did with Patterno.On the other hand, what about the Bob Costas interview?
I know another board member at the university, and he has condemned Patterno. Isn't it funny that only one board member agreed to do this video?
He does make the correct claim that Patterno built the pride the school has. Without Patterno, PSU would be largely an irrelevant farm school. A nice parallel would be Thomas Jefferson built the US, but it doesn't change the fact that he was a racist.
This video shows that we have a few ppl who are still trying to save the image of Patterno at all costs. As a Pennsylvania resident, I hope my state's public institution can recover from this scandal, and I hope people learn from it and build a better place to learn and play football.
by one of the major networks after a fierce bidding war. Whether it gets renewed--Iess certain about that. The public is so fickle.
This producer is known as creating ridiculous stories and videos. See earlier posts in this thread?