Ohio is not the #1 team in the country. Mark Schlabach is really buying into the hype machine.
The never too early NCAAF top 25.
He said OSU is probably not better than Alabama, but have a much easier schedule and path to a 12-0 record which is true.
Have to beat the hairless nuts this year!
What a stupid reason. These are rankings, not standings. I don't want to know who has a better record, I can figure that out pretty easily by myself. I want to know who is better.
Who u think will go undefeated. They are supposed to be based on who is the Best team in the country. Schedule is a horrible reason to put them number 1
I'm not saying the Buckeyes are a better football team than the Crimson Tide; I'm saying Ohio State has an easier path to an undefeated record this coming season.
Schlabach made his reasoning clear in the introduction and I don't disagree with him. OSU's schedule is Charmin soft for 2013. I could probably lead OSU to a 10-2 record with their schedule next season.
Just because he made it clear doesn't make it any good. If he said that he drew names out of a hat I wouldn't like it just because he made it clear beforehand.
So here's the question:
What's the difference between projecting them undefeated and ranking them #1 for being undefeated after all is said and done? I'm sure many thought that OSU and ND were both pretty weak teams last year, but they still ended the season in the top three due to their record (prior to the NCG).
Both are inherently wrong, as they reward record over ability, but they are in essence doing the same thing. If Bama goes undefeated, does anyone question that they will be #1 at the end of the year?
What is inherently wrong for ranking an undefeated power conference team in the top three? Championships are base on winning on the field. If you ranked based on ability on paper there would be no point in playing a single game an sports would suck.
If I thought there was another team better than Bama, then yes I would question it. Just because a team has the better record does not make them the better team. If Northern Illinois goes undefeated, should they be #1? If the whole point of a top 25 was to simply list the teams by their record, then no one would be interested. In most people's opinion, this should be a subjective ranking, and if Schlabach thinks Bama is better than OSU, he should give a shit how tough their schedules are.
Just because you disagree with it doesn't necessarily make it "bad", either.
I know a lot of people get into insanely heated debates about the reasoning behind Top 25 polls but I happen to fall on the side of those who feel you should vote on who you think will have the best seasons not who you feel are the best teams.
Trying to determine who the best teams are is a futile exercise as teams only play 12-14 games against a wide range of opponents of vastly different qualty so it ends up just being an opinion poll. Whereas, voting on who will have the best season (e.g. your #1 team will win the MNC) can at least sort of be proven by the results on the field. Ergo, I have no problem with his reasoning.
"I happen to fall on the side of those who feel you should vote on who you think will have the best seasons not who you feel are the best teams"
This logic is exactly what is wrong with the college football ranking systems. I really hope the rankings matter very little when it comes to the new 4 team playoff.
I have always hated this mode of thinking, and the big problem is that a lot of the voters that are deciding where the teams are ranked feel the exact same way. This is a reason why teams play such soft schedules. A 12-0 team is always* viewed as better than an 11-1 team.
*Well, not if the 12-0 team is from the MAC or Sun Belt or something, but anyone from a major conference and a lot of teams from mid-level conferences as well (ie Boise, etc.)
If he thinks Alabama is one of the two best teams in the country, and that they're better than OSU, why doesn't he just rank them #1 and OSU #2?
Until somebody beats Ohio, they have as much right to be called #1 as anyone else. I hope the "unbeatable juggernaut" waltzes into the Big House undefeated this November. The Ohio hype reminds me a lot of 1969; everybody just assumed that nobody could stop the mighty Buckeyes.
We all know how that turned out.
I completely disagree. Why does OSU have as much right to be called #1 as the defending national champions who actually beat really good teams last year, and by a lot. What was OSU's best win? Edging us out at home? Alabama laughs at that, for sure.
I'd love for them to be #1 when we play them too, but they do not deserve to be #1 right now.
alabama would beat OSU by 3 touchdowns.
For the whole 42-14 thing. I don't want to finish second to Ohio in anything.
I thought elite defenses won championships - so what is OSU doing on that list?
But they have Noah Spence and Adolphus Washington! That's like, what, 30 tackles and 2 or 3 sacks between the two of them returning from last year!
But seriously, they do have some great talent on the defensive side. But a lot of it's still young. If it blooms into the projections based on recruiting rankings, they'll have an elite D. I think. The one thing I can say about OSU's D even from last year, which also had really good talent (probably better than UM's raw talent) is that they play undisciplined. That could sink the D no matter how talented they are.
There needs to be more OUTRAGE when these columnists use reasoning for these rankings that includes "Team X has this easy/difficult of a schedule." What does that have to do with how good a team they are!
I don't know of anyone who has ever been able to tell me what a poll really is. Is it:
1. A ranking of the best teams, in your opinion, where #1 should usually beat #2, #2 should usually beat #3, etc. if they were to play tomorrow.
2. A ranking of what teams have accomplished to date (schedule comes into play)
3.. A prediction of what the final standings/polls will be (schedule comes into play)
I think we all want it to be #1, but the long-standing model where we count losses, and if you lose you drop (even if you lose to a team ranked higher than you) blows that up. So, #2 and #3 are factors and schedule matters. QED.
But really, who cares in April and it just gives us something to blabber about.
No kidding. I was most shocked to see Louisville at #4. But then he goes on to say "The Cardinals might not be the country's fourth-best team based on talent and depth, but which opponent is capable of unseating them in the depleted Big East?" ...wtf
I hate preseason polls. Without Jake Ryan, an unproven O-line, and no clear number one running back #9 is way too high.
Could've played in the spring game, granted this is assuming injury has no complications, but still:
I disagree with you. The OL should be solid with our returning starters as well as the myriad of stud underclassmen we have. Our clear number 1 running back will be decided in the fall, and it'll likely be a freshman, but that is the easiest position to acclimate to as a freshman. We'll be good there too. Jake Ryan hurts, but our LB core is solid, and our defense should be very good so long as the DL steps it up.
I found it interesting Schlabach didn't even mention Jake Ryan's injury. ESPN crack reporting.
I actually like OSU being #1 and I hope they are still #1 and undefeated when we beat them at the end of the season.
Well, they won't be number one when we beat them the second time in the BTCG.
That part will be a little disappointing. But only a little.
wow we are on completely different pages, I hope they lose every fucking game ever. I would completely be fine with Michigan beating a 0-11 Ohio team every year. My favorite team is Michigan and my second favorite team is anybody who plays Ohio.
Hype them up please. Just will make it that much better when we beat them. Can't wait to hear how great Ohio looks after beating up on their non conference portion of the schedule.
It will be about Urban's first "ligit" year and Miller for Heisman all season.
Ohio State and ND way too high. One doesn't have a defense the other, lost its best player on defense and on a offense that was already struggling.
Notre Dame also lost the big d-lineman Kapron Lewis-Moore? Without him and Teo ND's defense is going to look weak.
Pretty sure that Louis Nix book ended by Stephon Tuitt and Sheldon Day will be just fine. The secondary is also greatly improved with actual returning Corner Backs and not converted RB/WRs.
I wouldn't expect the defense to drop off much. After all Teo was a fraud, right?
Also as an aside its good to see the old guard taking their spots back near the top of the polls.
Having Osu and ND over-ranked just means it makes Michigan look that much better when we beat them.
does have a easy schedule until Nov 30. They will probably be undeafeated till that point.
We are going to beat their ass!
I'd rather be #9 than #1... no where to go but down.
With a #1 preseason ranking, OSU will get the benefit of doubt if they lose a game. They won't be kicked out of the Top 10. Also, being ranked this high and losing to Michigan during the last game if the season, but beating us in the B1G championship game means they still go to the NC game.
Thanks mr buzz-kill, I'm so looking forward to the season now.
Not a chance. With OSU's schedule, if they lose one game, they're out of the NC discussion.
To be replaced by who? You never know what teams are gonna lose.
Think of how different we might look at Alabama if Okie State hadn't lost to Iowa State, or if KSU didn't lose to Baylor (and you can include Oregon losing to Stanford too)
Besides Michigan, the Buckeyes will likely face no more than a couple of fringe Top 25 teams throughout their season.
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Cal and SDSU aren't horrible non-conference games. Their Confrence schedule does looks pretty weak though without Nebraska and Msu
Cal and SDSU aren't horrible non-conference games. Their Confrence schedule does looks pretty weak though without Nebraska and Msu
Cal was 3-9 last year. San Diego State is a solid team, but probably the best non-conference game they've got. If that's the marquee game, it sounds like a pretty easy road into Big 10 play.
Also, being ranked this high and losing to Michigan during the last game if the season, but beating us in the B1G championship game means they still go to the NC game.
I strongly doubt this happens. Even if we split with Michigan, assuming both teams make it there, OSU would be headed to the Rose Bowl. In fact, I don't really understand how most [OSU] fans can even think the national title is a possiblity this year even if OSU ran the table. Their success and chances of a national title has more to do with the success of the conference teams versus their own. If teams start to lose several OOC games, thus weakening their SOS, it probably won't happen for OSU.
I'm a realist and even I think being #1 is a huge reach for a team that had several close games last year and several question marks going into this season. Moreover, who ranks teams because of their schedule or what they did last year? Look at what happened to USC after they got off sanctions. Great year despite sanctions, gets ranked #1, then finished the year 6-7 when everything is on the line. Any thing can happen to teams and being ranked #1 is almost a curse. I'm not exactly buying into the hype and would much rather fly under the radar than be a target.
Finally, lets be honest here, when OSU plays Michigan for the second time in Indy, which I believe will happen, it will be to determine who is playing for a berth in 100th Rose Bowl and Big Ten Championship. That's about as good as it will get for both teams this year.
Read WAY too quickly. Thought this was a basketball poll and thought "what the hell is Alabama doing here!"
PS I LOVE that seeing U-M in the top 10 in Fball AND Bball is real
rings for being picked #1 in a pre-season poll?
I could easily see why OSU would be top 5, but putting them at #1 is ridiculous. Until proven otherwise, Alabama is the best team in America, hands down. Urban Meyer's crew, at this stage anyway, has no business even being in the same conversation as Nick Saban's.
#9, for now, is probably a little too high for us. Lots of talent coming in, but still pretty unproven, no #1 running back, no Jake Ryan for at least part of the season. I'd say 15-20 is where we belong to start the season off. A little shocked that Northwestern isn't a little higher. I've got a feeling Pat Fitzgerald's team will make some noise this year. Just hopefully not against us.
the unthinkable should happen and they get to the BCS title game I'd love to see Bama stomp their asses into mudholes, the same way they did the Irish.
Maybe Urban's heart problems will flare up again....
That being said there is no way Ohio beats us @ home this year.
But I would rather not have anyone else know about it. It seems we always tend to do better if we start out in the range of 15-17 and slowly work our way up. With the way our schedule is backend loaded we will have our chances if we take care of business at home.
Schlabach's reasoing is simply that he believes Ohio has the best chance of getting to the NCG. While I disagree and think that's a dumb way to rank teams, if he using the ranking as a projection for who will finish the season #1, then he's not wrong--just silly.
As for his Ohio love? It's not completely unfounded. Washington was the only player to beat Lewan for a sack last year. They return the Heisman Trophy favorite at QB. We'll see if their defense can hold up, but their schedule is favorable...until they come to AA.
I do believe #9 is just about right for Michigan. We are still too young along the O-Line and too uncertain at RB to be any higher. I think we are a fringe top-ten team, and depending on how well our youth shows we could be vying for the NC or losing the Legends division again.
I'm pretty sure the Heisman favorite is in College Station not Columbus
These 2013 preseason rankings are in no way too early considering that the first of these rankings come out on the day after the NC game.
Now if they had been preseason rankings for 2014, I would have agreed that they might be a tad early.
I cannot wait until those assclowns come to Ann Arbor.
They must have ran out of ink before they got to MSU
Their future is bright. I hear the divisions have been realigned in a favorable way for them.
LOL no Sparty to be seen. RCMB will be in meltdown when they see this
The poll shouldn't come out until AFTER the 4th week of the season. We can do "imaginary" polls, stuff for the fans, but nothing official should come out until then.
just say'n I know you all are ready to pounce on the West...