It's a picture clue
It's a picture clue
Purdue for 1000? Pssh.
200. Tops. It's just too obvious.
Who is...Coach Tiller?
(I swear to god they're the same person)
Perhaps Tom was making a tongue in cheek comment because Mattison got Dunn to switch today and OSU fans would claim that's the only way it could happen.
Negative recruiting is going to hurt us less. The anxiety over RR's future hurt more than anything. Let them all flame as much as they want.
Larry Johnson Sr at Penn State. He's well known for it.
Actually, I like this quote from Bill Greene:
"Negative recruiting is just a term that gets thrown around when a school gets their butt whipped in recruiting. It means your school got waxed."
Yup. That's the guy.
Is this the Larry Johnson who has a son that has been arrested four times since 2003 for sexual assault charges? What could he possibly tell the recruit's family? "I'll make sure your boy grows up to be a well-rounded, professional man. Just like my own boy."
Although I am sure JoePa is well in touch with today's young black male.
Haterz gonna hate.
The SEC I guess. There will be another thread once the actual news gets out.
If that's right, my guess would be O'Brien.
It could possibly be us I mean think about the lines we could use:
OSU: how do you feel about playing in a bowl game in your college career... well you wont be able to if you go down there.
PSU: just because joe has you in his will doesn't mean you have to go.
MSU: if you have under two felonies, you won't be able to start.
Indiana: Do they still have a team after chappell and doss left?
Purdue: I hear there making it a requirement to grow the worse possible mustache.
ND: Notre Dame is a french name but they are named the Irish: If they ask you to film practice on a crappy looking tower, make sure you take out a new life insurance plan.
Minnesota: I heard mustard is the new green.
Wisconsin: we won't throw touchdown passes while up 60 (maybe 55 though)
Nebraska: I hear college life is great there if you like being surrounded by corn fields.
Iowa: Do you like the Idea of pissing brown? Me neither.
Illinois: Ron Zook couldn't even win at florida.
Northwestern: The only guy I know that wears purple kisses other guys.
OMG. That's too funny. The Iowa one was my favorite.
I liked the Illinois line.
But I imagine that it isn't effective as it was last year. Dantonio really used the coaching uncertainty to his advantage last year to get instate prospects. I think this year he's going back to his old pitch, "Hey do you like burning furniture, showing zero class during games, and beating up innnocent citizens? Yes? Than east lansing is the perfect place for you."
My favorite is when they bastardize their own fight song: "see their team is weakkkkkkk" instead of "weakening". I mean, we all already know it's a complete travesty of a song with no semblance of a meter, but they could at least pretend to be proud of it.
Also, I just wikipedia'd it and (everyone else probably knows this already) but the original fight song when they were M.A.C. not only directly called them farmers, but had two direct references to U.M. More evidence of little-brother syndrome, if you ask me.
Objects to this thread.
could it be in reference to Mattison / Dunn? Considering Tom's connections and the alleged visit today, it kinda makes sense.
Not trying to be negative on our recruiting tactics! Just throwing that out there as a possibility.
Edit: Sorry, didn't see someone else arlready postulated the idea.
Personally, I don't have a problem with negative recruiting, as long as it's done honestly. If someone says, "You don't want to go to Ohio State because they might get a bowl ban and Tressel might get fired," then that's just being honest.
If someone says, "You don't want to go to Iowa, because Kirk Ferentz teaches his players how to cook crystal meth," then that's crossing the line.
In the SEC that's called "work study".
Sounds odd to describe it this way, but negative recruiting can often be less clear-cut than it sounds.
Well how do you think all those kids ended up in the hospital back in January? From working out too much? Yeah right....
**Insert photo of Kirk's face on the Breaking Bad poster**
Ferentz's crystal meth labs ARE over the line.
Its got to be Sparty! Warden D'antonio is shadier than most of the merry band of felons that make up his chain gan...I mean team.
I hope it was Tressel. I like irony a lot.
I heard a rumor that in an attempt to avoid negative recruiting, that the SEC has decided to adopt a policy which allows for in-state recruits to be auctioned off. In strict compliance with NCAA regulations, SEC universities will only be able to buy 45 players every year.
Sadly, I doubt it's all that difficult to negatively recruit against Michigan these days. 'They've won 6 conference game in the last 3 years', negative, but true.
But, on the bright side, it will be a lot more difficult to negatively recruit against UM in the coming years, and a helluva lot easier to do it to O$U.
It seems to me that (1) shouldn't be frowned upon too much, as long as it's honest. Telling a kid that he'd do much better in your system or pointing out that not many guys go pro from the opposing team's roster may not be the best way to land a recruit, but it's part of the game.
From the sound of Tom's tweet, it should be (2). Not to your extreme of course, but maybe questioning another coach's character or perpetuating rumors. It'd be pretty funny to hear a kid call a coach on that, though.
(1) is still prone to major grey areas. Rampant (and largely unsupportable) speculation around these parts suggested that other schools were negatively recruiting against Michigan in 2009, saying RR was on his way out. These turned out to be truthful and accurate representations, but they were still probably underhanded, particularly in 2009.
I would bet that it isn't us. I don't know if hoke can even talk about anything other than how much he loves U of M. Based on everything recruits have said about the family environment and the close knit group that this team has become everything seems positive coming out of schembechler.
why tomvh would say such a thing and not give us more information. He knows us well enough.
Other than to stir the pot?
Name the culprit and give evidence.
It's us. We're recruiting negatively. Here's a sampling:
That guy in the vest you're considering sending your son to play for is a liar. Here's a transcript of his most recent lies. If, during his courtship of your son, he's told you he wasn't lying, he's lying again. How are you supposed to believe him when he says "he'll be there for the next 4 or 5 years" or "the NCAA isn't going to penalize us anymore" ?
I thought with the negative recruiting against UM(RR area) we nailed it down to Iowa/Purdue? As far as us doing it, I'm with Magnus, Just reinforce fact. "Have you seen the news on JT?". "Joe Pa is getting up there. Are you scared of Zombies?" I would think that the Big Programs wouldn't have to do it, but who knows
I would think that Sparty should be the last one to neg recruit considering everything going on in their program.
I guess that strategy is working by looking at their results. /s
I just might have to keep an eye on when recruits are going to be in spartyville and make sure sparty is wearing a new orange jump suit for all to see.
I chuckled at the various comments in this thread that basically said no way does Michigan 'negatively recruit'
Of course, we dont. Its always just the other people.
Head, meet Sand.
If you think anyone who is recruiting a kid looking at OSU hasn't mentioned the media shit-storm in Columbus - including Hoke - you're fooling yourself.
He is the undoubted star of this operation.
But what exactly is the point of that tweet ? You are basically saying:
"Somebody told somebody else something negative about a unnamed third entity".
Cmon Tom, you're better than that man.
recently heard an interview with a big time recruit from florida who said he doesnt want coaches to talk about another school while they are recruiting him. If you have to talk about another school, then maybe your school is not good enough or you are worried and makes your school look bad that you need to talk about other schools in an attempt to make yours look better. That is what i take to be negative recruiting...mentioning any other school but your own since there really is not other reason to. Things like "watch out for that school" may sound harmless but we all know it is a little jab that you intend to stick in the mind of the recruit and make it seem like they care.
Except that pretty much all coaches make it a point not to read blogs and aren't going to be encouraging players to read them, either. "Fans complain about own team" isn't good enough fodder. There'd have to be something really scandalous posted online - like, a revelation that Coach X is a closet racist - for coaches to take note and use it as recruiting ammunition.
Negative recruiting against us right now would be more along these lines:
-"Hoke's career record is below .500. Why go there if you want to win?"
-"Hoke's only produced [number] NFL players to date. He's not going to develop you."
-(For an offensive player) "Hoke's offense isn't going to be right for you. I heard that they're only going to run [plays that aren't suited for recruit's skills] and never run [plays that are suited for them]."
-[From an SEC coach] "Michigan's real far up north. I heard it snows all year. Don't you like wearing shorts to class?"
-[From PSU/ND] "Michigan clearly doesn't care about black athletes. Look at their graduation rate for black football players."