What if they deserve it by not picking the school that I root for?
What if they deserve it by not picking the school that I root for?
In the caste system of life, those who tweet to recruits share a lonely level with Ronaiah Tuiasasopo.
Don't feel bad for Tuiasasopo, he was just doing what he was told. He'll get his pay shortly after draft day.
I'm all for Negative tweeting.....when Ohio fans do it. Because then their negative image will get that much worse.
And to think, I didn't think Ohio fans could sink any lower than pooping in coolers. Yet here we are.....
Not trying to defend Ohio at all, BUT Michigan fans do the same thing. How many people ON THIS BLOG were trashing Dawson when he decommitted? There are disrespectful idiots everywhere and you can't control that.
There's a large difference between stating disapproval in a public forum such as this, and tweeting those opinions directly at him. He probably doesn't read this blog; he definitely reads his tweets.
Definitely agree with this.
Don't fool yourself, there are plenty of AWFUL Michigan fans on twitter, just as there is for any program with a passionate fan base.
I sarcastically called a "Michigan" guy out on twitter for ripping on Dawson a few months ago -- something like, "yes, definitely rip on a high school kid. Do that. Makes sense."
His response was that he himself was only in college and to tell me to f*ck myself. Um... Go blue?
You shut your mouth with that talk. Everyone reads this blog!
There are definitely Michigan fans that express their opinions directly at recruits via Twitter; some nice and friendly, others not.
I just think that, in general, it is a bad idea to tweet at recruits. It's creepy (imo), and just not good etiquette at best.
the thing is its on the net you don't know if they're a real Michigan fan or a troll
Does it matter who they are? I don't think it does, if someone -- be it a "real" Michigan fan or a troll -- is using twitter to communicate with recruits, I think it's creepy. It's not even just the negative communication, it is communication in general. This is just my opinion.
That said, I think it's naive to suggest that no Michigan fan has ever said something negative to a recruit via Twitter before. Dawson's decommit being an obvious example.
Please explain. Tweeting to 18 = creepy. Spending every fall Saturday at the very least while spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars to watch the same kid 6 months later while wearing his jersey = normal.
In it's truest form is there anything "creepier" than a college sports fan? How many hours a week do you spend watching and talking about 18-19 year old kids? How is that any different?
If you really don't see the difference I'm worried about your mental capacity.
Have a different opinion? Get negged. The good ole boys club that is Mgoblog.
It sucks that negging and MGoPoints mean so much then right?
If you can't see the similarity, I am worried about yours.
Denard is graduating, but Michigan will still have 100,000 next year. It's the personal connection and bother that is the problem.
Going to see all of Angelina Jolie's movies because you dig her: Not creepy*.
Tweeting her because you think she wants to be your friend: creepy.
*Assuming your pants are on.**
**Same goes for tweeting high school kids.
HUGE degree of separation there. When watching the game, you are watching what the player does as part of a team playing a sport. You're caring about what he does during the game and then go home to discuss what happened during that game and wonder what that means for the next one and that's where your involvement ends. You don't have that separation on twitter and can interact directly with someone you have no good reason to interact with. Thus twitter = creepy. Leave High School kids alone.
Well, it goes back and forth. Is it worse to get personal on a high schooler because he decided to go to college at a different place than you (generic you) wanted him to go, or is it worse to do the same with one of your own student athletes?
Either way, I honestly don't understand why anyone takes this stuff personally. Whether you're ripping on him for his college choice or tendancy to make poor [insert sport] decisions, I'm pretty sure he's not doing it to upset people he doesn't know.
Please tell me your secret to making sensible, objective comments without getting severely moderated.
Perhaps I should change the title to "Neg Tweeting. Don't. Unless you're an Ohio fan because we want a good laugh"?
What if we insult their girlfriends and families instead of the players themselves?
Well, then that's ok! (sarcasm intended)
Your Mama jokes.
M >>> OSU >>>>>>> WVU
that ranks WVU ahead of OSU in any university-wide academic category. OSU gets ripped here because it's "only" a second tier public university, but WVU is one of the worst flagship institutions in the country, academically speaking.
OSU is more or less indistinguishable from any good flagship school after a short list at the top (probably only Cal, UVa, UNC, Michian, Texas); WVU would be about 46th or 47th on that list.
LOL rural medicine?
Also, OSU is actually a good public university. Good, not great. Michigan is a big step ahead, but ignoring all the jokes, Gordon Gee has actually raised the bar in terms of academics, and quite significantly.
How moronic do you have to be as an adult to chastise a kid about his choice of schools in the very public format of Twitter?
Can I still take shots at Gary Bettman? Please?
Isnt that why twitter was invented? to take shots at gary bettman?
but only because Bettman acts like a child, but he isn't one.
"I've been following Shelton Gibson because I wanted Michigan to recruit him, but I don't think we did."
If you're a teenager like Shelton then that's cool. You guys can talk all you want about teenagery things of interest.
But if you're a grown up like me then I think that's kinda wierd itself.
I've been following Kate Upton.
Right now she's waiting to cross the street.
Now she's turning down a back alley. I think she's lost.
Now's my chance... BRB
Sent from my iPhone
Next time I'll have to offer her something better than Werther's Originals.
You should have told her what time it was.
Magnus, I have always considered you a realist and from my own personal experiences the world doesn't always like a realist. Yes at times I've pictured you as an old man waving his cane from his lawn. Yet, there are times when you say something very cynical that I find absolutely hilarious.
Mangus is actually Brandon Graham!
Is that what you're calling it now?
Jesus dude, you make it sound like I own a van and live down by the river.
Here's what following means to me: seeing a player at a particular position of need on 247 Sports. I then think to myself, he would be a good fit.
BTW, who's that girl in your avatar, creeper?
That's his wife.
is she? have you met her in person? sure she has a website and mgrowold has posted pics of his family, but how do WE know she's real?
/BOOM Lennay Kekua'd!
You must be new here.
The thing is your post is all about Twitter and you said you were following someone. It seems to me only natural for someone reading your post to think you were one of this recruit's Twitter followers. That's certainly the way I read it.
It didn't occur to me that people would make that connection.
I need to stick to reading Diaries on this blog and ignore the feeling that I need to contribute.
The funny part of this is Ohio State fans talking about someone not qualifying academically for their school. I almost fell out of my chair when I read that.
I follow and unfollow recruits during and after their recruitment. Occasionally I send a #GO BLUE if they commit, or Good luck if they commit elsewhere. When people voice how angry they are for not choosing their school really sucks for people who just want to check out if a player is leaning towards their school or not. After Dawson decommited it was horrible what some 'Michigan Fans' tweeted him. For the most part adults should just punch a wall or something if a teenager decides to go to another school. Just stop tweeting your disapointment. DONT BE LIKE OHIO.
If you're in the public eye and open a twitter account you're going to run into the occasional asshole.
Twitter. I hate!!
Well...I'm friends with Wyatt Shallman. And I'm in high school. Can I tweet at him?
cool story bro'd
especially if you are a season ticket holder who pays the seat license. You are a booster and it is a violation.
Hopefully the 'do not neg-tweet recruits' gets through to at least one person but sage advice like this is invariably lost on the people who most need to read this.
If we get Garnetted Saturday then we're gonna have about 10-15 asswipes slandering Derrick Green on this forum - I don't like it anymore than you do, but it is going to happen. They will be promptly and justfiably banhammered, but the damage has already been done. You just have to hope that this incentivizes at least one of them - or a future troll - to start acting like a real human being next time around.
Kid commits to college Feb 2013 not ok to talk trash about him.
Kid takes field for rival Aug 2013, fair game to talk trash about him.
With all the intelligence on this site, I can't believe that no one else sees how dumb that really is.
Have these kids changed that much in 6 months? Did they change from kids doing what's best for them to full grown men that deserve what they get for the choice they made.
It's pretty simple. Either it's ok to go after kids who have chosen to put themselves in the spotlight by pursuing a career in sports or it's not. You really can't have it both ways.
If you believe you can, please explain at what point they become fair game.
It's not that difficult of a concept to understand.
Kid who's 17.5? It's illegal to smoke.
Kid who's 18? It's legal.
Lots of these things exist in life. In my opinion, I don't think we should be tweeting hateful things at high school or college players. Or anyone, really. Unless they do something truly terrible, like Josh Brent (allegedly) or Craig James (allegedly) did.
One is a law with a very defined line. The other is not. Not a very good comparison.
However I'm more interested in your other point. So are you saying tweeting negative things to people is bad, but writing negative things about them on a public forum is ok?
If you are saying both are bad, that was my original point.
Why is it not a good comparison? Arbitrary laws and rules are arbitrary. What makes a kid more qualified to vote at 18 than when he was 17? Why not 21 instead? Why is 21 the drinking age instead of 19 or 24? Why can't you rent a car until you're 24 or 25 or whatever it is?
None of those ages REALLY mean anything. It's just some old white guys sat around at one point, threw darts at a board, and "decided."
Like I said, I don't tweet truly hateful things at anyone. But a line should be drawn somewhere. High school kids participate in sports as extracurriculars activities and actually pay to participate. If nothing else, it's bullying to say hateful things to them.
When these guys get to college, they're (typically) old enough to vote, old enough to smoke, and old enough to be thrown in jail if they do something wrong. They're also sort of getting paid (through scholarships for tuition, room, and board) to play college football. If fans and/or taxes are paying for you to get a higher education, then I think that opens the door a little bit for you to be criticized.
You are comparing something that has legal ramifications to something that is frowned upon. Not to mention many of those arbitrary laws are considered dated and ignorant, so if it is a good comparison, whats to say this one isn't also?
As for the other part, I could just as simply argue that when you decide to get involved in something as public as college sports recruiting you open yourself up to criticism. This is no different than acting or music. Once you put yourself in the spotlight, you are going to have critics. Mind you I'm not supporting one side or the other, but calling someone creepy for tweeting a high school kid while you are wearing a college freshmans jersey while sitting at a computer where that 18 year old kid is your background is hypocritical at best.
If you're criticizing the play and not the person, that's different. You'll notice posts around here taking personal shots at players is also frowned upon. And making a school decision is a personal choice, not an analysis of play. And necessarily by it's limits a tweet is stupid. You can't be in depth and thoughtful with it. And it is directed at the player, directly. Post here and say so and so didn't have a very good game isn't the same as sending him the message and rubbing it in his face. These are obvious distinctions.
What did Craig James (allegedly) do?
All the Michigan commits, and the hopeful commits. I unfollow all the players that don't commit to Michigan.
For those that are with Michigan, I give out a weekly Go Blue, Team 134, B1G Champs, etc. And when I see them arguing to haters (mostly about Brady Hoke's weight), I just tell them to forget about them and Go Blue.
But mostly, it's all Go Blue coming from this guy (who is still in college, so it's not too creepy that I'm tweeting these kids).
Nope still creepy. Don't do it.
I don't know why a recruit wouldn't list Ohio in their finalists, then intentionally pick another school just to watch two thirds of the fanbase blow up on twitter.
@crosier2432 is the WORST when it comes to Michigan fans. He tweets these kids all day every day.
Twitter, check. But where is the real line? Pretty much every fansite or team message board says similar comments (we ridicule people for not having stellar academics all the time), so I feel like this is equating itself to some NCAA rules. They just can't ever be enforced. Well, we could but about half of the board would get banned lol. But really, I wonder where the line is. Kids don't deserve to be treated that way but immature people, unfortunately, are everywhere and sports bring out a whole lot of nasty.
Maybe it had something to do with not being called a buckeye. That would pretty much do it for me.