Although I'm kind of afraid for Nebraska if they actually win. That crowd's gonna be out for blood.
at least it's not just us?
Although I'm kind of afraid for Nebraska if they actually win. That crowd's gonna be out for blood.
The players are not to blame for what happened. At the same time, it was the football coaches and the administration that let it continue to happen, while continuing to earn big bucks for the university by sweeping the problem under the rug.
From the rooting interests. I mean, I'm not sure anyone is really looking for Penn State to get a silver lining this weekend.
But as for the "division" it really doesn't matter a lick, because even assuming MSU loses two, Nebraska already has two losses, and for us to have a chance WE'RE going to have to beat them, which will give them 3, so we don't need them to lose to other teams. Unless you're trying to figure out 3 loss tiebreakers, in which case - good luck.
The situation at PSU is obviously horrible, but to me it completely transcends football. I can't really look at their football team as of now (without JoePa, McQueary, or Sandusky) and blame them at all for the actions (and inactions) of a few. The scandal and the football team are in a different universe for me.
But it doesn't transcend the University. They're culpable in all this.
Though it's probably all moot. There's no reason Nebraska shouldn't roll Penn State after all they've gone through this week.
Too many scenarios. I'll flip a coin.
Dont we want Nebraska to win so that if we beat them there is still a hope we can force a 3-way tie and win?
I agree. We need Nebraska to win out, except when they play us, and we need to win out. It seems like the chances of MSU losing to either Iowa or NW are decent, but the chances of them losing both games is not good. So for us to go to the championship game we probably need a three-way tie in the division with a team that a) we beat and b) beat MSU i..e, Nebraska. I don't remember all the tiebreakers, but I know one of them is BCS rankings, which should also favor us rooting for Nebraska because it will help our BCS ranking by beating them.
There's no 3 way tie possible. (Not counting Iowa's chances, not only because I don't care about them, but if they beat us and MSU it doesn't help us to tie with them).
Technically, there is a 3 way tie possibility at 3 loses.
2. Not if it's with Iowa and MSU and Iowa has beaten us and MSU.
You want to figure out other workable scenarios, with all the things that would have to happen, be my guest. Good luck with that happening.
We need MSU and Iowa to lose 2, And to win out. Considering they play each other, that means one of them will have to lose their last two. It'd be the weirdest Big Ten finish since at least 1990.
Let me break it down for you, you said "no three way tie possibilities", I said, no quite completely true there could be a three way tie at 3 losses. You counter, "Not if MSU doesn't lose 2 more games ." Well, duhh -- to get to the scenario laid out (a three way tie at 3 losses), of course MSU has to lose two more since they currently stand at one conference loss (3 losses at end of yr - 1 loss currently = 2 more losses to get there). Then you go on to say "Not if it's with Iowa and MSU and Iowa has beaten us and MSU." Again not true, could be a three way tie at three loses with Iowa, MSU and Michigan if Iowas beats MSU and then loses another game. I think what you may mean is Michigan doesn't go the the BTCG under that scenario, which is true, but is different from "no three way tie scenarios."
Finally, you said that both MSU and Iowa need to lose two more and M has to win out. Again, not true. There might be some other mathematically possible way for Michigan to get to the BTCG, but, yes in all likelihood, M needs to win out that then requires MSU needs to lose two and but it only takes one (not two) more Iowa losses.
Further, if MSU drops two (including to Iowa) and Michigan beats Nebraska and wins the other two and Nebraska beats Iowa and PSU and loses to M and Iowa beats MSU and Purdue and loses to Nebraska you end you with a 4 way tie at three loses.
Of course none of this is likely, but being unlikely is different from not being possible.
You guys are forgeting something obvious, a PSU win here hurts the odds of OSU making the B1G Championship Game.
You know what else hurts OSU's title hopes? Us beating them.
All interesting points. Here is another: do we want Nebraska coming off a win or a loss when they come to Ann Arbor next week? Obviously, Iowa losing to Minnesota did not help us.
It probably doesn't matter. I will hope (root is too strong a word) that PSU wins to help screw over OSU and also hand a loss to a team in our division. However, I think Nebraska losing this week might harden them for next week. Unless it breaks them.
After this week, maybe nothing matters.
Actually, you just made up my mind. I will root for Nebraska, so OSU still has a shot. I want us to be the team that crushes OSU's hopes for getting to the CCG.
Montgomery Burns agrees too. That scenario would be most eeeeeexcellent.
Their players did not do a damn thing wrong, and they are in the middle of the all time shit storm......
and Nebraska is on our division. (It really all boils down to football, regardless of what moral stance I have taken on things)
I'm rooting for the fans to not be jackasses.
Easy - Ped State. We want Neb to lose as many games as possible as their introduction into the BIG and we also want Ped State to distance themselves as much as possible from OSU to keep OSU out of the BIG championship game.
Hey, "Ped State". Good one.
should not say that man. That's not funny. I know Penn State grads that are fearing for job, future prospects. You say that = Jerry Sandusky wins.
They shouldn't. What happened in the football program has nothing to do with their education.
didn't do is not siege worth any respect. Intelligent beings can separate the acts of a few and not blame an entire group. 9-11 taught me that.
No. Points return next week.
Is this true?
Or, we beat OSU and that keeps OSU out of the championship game, unless Wiscsonsin loses to Minnesota or Illinois.
I haven't gone through the tiebreakers in detail, but I think the only scenario where Michigan gets another loss and still wins the division is if Michigan beats Nebraska, MSU loses to Iowa and NW, Iowa loses to Nebraska and Purdue, and Nebraska beats PSU. That leaves Iowa with 4 losses and Michigan, MSU, and Nebraska with 3. MSU drops out for all 3 losses in the division (or having 4 losses if they lose to Indiana too). Michigan wins on a head-to-head against Nebraska.
Everything else assumes that Michigan wins out, which puts Michigan at 2 losses and Nebraska at 3 or more. Basically, I don't see where PSU winning helps us.
While mathematically it helps if Nebraska loses - pending other improbable collapses, of course - part of me thinks that the otucome of this game will get somewhat overshadowed by other things. More specific discussion has its own thread, of course. I would hope, if nothing else, that nothing unfortunate happens to anyone, for that's the LAST thing anyone needs.
because if Penn State loses maybe those rioting idiots in State College will just burn down the whole stadium because ITS NOT RIGHT DAWG. JOEPAH!!
If Iowa beats Purdue in scenario 2, we have a four team tie and MSU and UM would be eliminated based on head-to-head records of 1-2.
The other fourway scenario is if once again MSU loses to both Iowa and NW, we lose to Nebraska but win our other two, Nebraska loses to PSU, and Iowa loses to only Nebraska. We once again would be eliminated, this time with a 0-3 head-to-head record.
A threeway tie between us MSU and Nebraska is not possible at 2 losses. We lose any 3 way tie between Iowa and MSU as we lost to both of them.
If we win out, the PSU-Neb game has no impact upon us, and so that's the scenario I'm focusing on.
The odds of Scenario 2 actually occurring are so remote that it's not worth rooting for as a very unlikely backup plan.
I obviously want us to win out, but if we can't win the BTC then I really hope Nebraska doesn't walk in and win it in their first year in the conference. That would be embarrassing.
those schools I never liked much. Also, we have more history with them as a rival. My dislike of Nebraska does not officially commence until tomorrow night after we beat Illinois.
I can't root for a school that riots because someone was fired for covering up child molestation. This is a no-brainer for me.
to be fair a fraction of the students took to the streets and even a fraction of them caused damage.
Besides the aforementioned necessary 2 losses by MSU and 1 loss by Iowa (combined with Michigan winning out), I think the only other B1G teams that could have a potential BCS impact on us is the Wiscy/PSU game. I think both of those teams are the only two teams besides Michigan that could end up with no more than 2 losses and not be the B1G champion (and thus might be ripe for as the second B1G in the BCS). If Wiscy wins out and PSU only loses to Wiscy, PSU to BTCG and a 2 (heartbreaking) loss Wiscy team awaits. If PSU wins out and loses the BTCG, they would also have only 2 losses (Bama and BTCG). Therefore, I think we'd want a) both Wiscy and PSU to lose again before the BTCG b)we want PSU to lose twice or c) PSU to win out included BTCG.
Win or Lose I want the PSU fans to sit on their hands about Paterno. No chants, no cheers, just be quiet.
That will be a win for mankind.
Not gonna happen. I predict huge crowd noise chanting JoePa's name.
want Penn State in the Big Ten Championship game.
Nebraska all the way, then Ohio, then Wisconsin. finish the year 0-3 and it will seem like the right thing happened.
I am as disgusted by what happened at PSU as anyone. But, we need to take a step back and realize that the kids on the team, the alum, the students and the fans had absolutely nothing to do with this horror. Tw bad actors were the school admin, the AD, Paterno and his staff.
If anything, the kids on this team - who had nothing to do with and no knowledge of these events - are ancillary victims. They chose to go to Penn state to be a part of what is perceived to be a clean program steeped in honorable traditions. Mow, after working their asses off, they ate part of a program that will forever live in infamy.
As humans, we are horrified by this story, and it is human nature to look for someone to take out our feelings on, but the team - kids between 18-22 who have done nothing wrong - is not the perpetrator. Take it out on the admin, the school and on the bad actors, not the kids.
Caveat: if the school would have allowed paterno or any of the others to stay on, I would feel differently. Also, don't mistake this as me not having rage a Penn state. As a father of two boys,I jar plenty. Just not at the players.
for PSU fans. None at all. From the duchebag who stood on the steps with his Appy State t-shirt on at Michigan stadium in 2007 and was still talking sh#t after Michigan beat them. To the idiots who spit, throw mustard, and freaking urine on the opposing teams players, band and fans at PSU.
Some of the internets biggest users of the meme scUM are PSU fans, screw them, look who the real scum is now.
Who all benefit by PSU winning. Taking it out on them means there's going to be some collateral damage. And a lot of them aren't "innocent" for enabling a footballgarchy where no one wants to upset the apple cart. Could it have happen anywhere? Sure. But it happened there. Now is no time for their "healing".
1) This weekend: Michigan beats Illinois, Sparty looses @ Iowa.
2) Next weekend: Michigan beats Nebraska, Sparty beats Indiana
3) Week after: Michigan beats Ohio, Sparty looses @ Northwestern, Iowa looses @ Nebraska
B1Geee Championship game: Michigan/ Wisconsin
Psh, this is totally wrong. Indiana's going to beat Sparty because of the special cross-divisional rivalry that they have going.
On Friday afternoon, according to two team sources, new receivers coach Kermit Buggs gathered his players in a room at the PSU football complex and allowed them to talk with McQueary on a speaker phone.
During a brief and emotional conversation, McQueary told them, “I wanted to let you guys know I'm not your coach anymore. I'm done.”
When players asked, "Coach, where are you? Can we see you?" McQueary responded, “No, I'm actually in protective custody. I'm not in State College.”
McQueary added that he was, "Double-fisting it," meaning he was having two drinks at once.
They seem to have removed the part about double fisting it from the article.
I'll be rooting for neither team. Neither one deserves any respect.
To hell with PSU.
we've played I haven't given any thought to the actual game prior to kickoff. If you visit our boards, you'd see I'm not alone.
The only good thing that's come out of this whole tragedy is that many, many people who would never think about terrible things like child abuse--your average college football fans---have had their awareness raised, even if it took something as ultimately trivial and meaningless as a game to bring their attention to an important issue.
The top Husker fan site, HuskerMax, (highly recommended) started a movement for Cornhusker fans to join their Nittany Lions rivals in support of RAINN.
There's been many thoughtful and insightful posts on mgoblog concerning the PSU situation, why not "go blue" now---and throw your considerable numbers and resources into supporting RAINN with your conference rivals. Wow, what if the whole B1G got behind this?