anyone from Florida follow USF? Will it be a competitive enough game for ND to show a good part of their playbook? Looks to be an Interesting week 1 matchup.
ND vs. USF in Week 1
Delete, how is there no OT, why dont I start a thread on Gonzaga basketball and how they will do this year?
Who they got this year? Gonna make the tourney this year? haha
really? asking about a week 1 game of a rival we play in week 2 is OT?
and it's not like I'm asking about Indiana.
in to get a feel for what we'll be facing the next week. Typically I'll do that each year before we play them. Hopefully USF will make it a competitive game so we can see some things
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not...
It's not OT because it involves a future opponent. Additionally, this is scouting one of our rivals in their matchup the week before our game. I have no problem with this. I would have a problem however with threads on Gonzaga basketball...
Toledo Loma Lindas!
Meta-OT, if you will. I'll start with the thread on Duke football. I think they have a football team.
Certainly won't be a blowout, but i dont think it will come down to late in the game either. USF's passing offense isn't very good so if they're able to throw the ball, that'll show that ND's secondary needs work.
The biggest question will be whether or not USF can run the ball. They've got their returning back, Murray, and two great backs who transferred in in Darrell Scott and Dontae Aycock. If ND shuts down the run, then we'll know their run defense is for real
I see Vegas has the line at 10 pts. so it should be a decent game. We are only a 14 pt. favorite over Western.
I'm not a gambling man, but that's a bet I would place. We WILL beat Western by more than 14 points.
Interestingly, many posters on this board are seemingly terrified of San Diego State yet just as many completely discount Western Michigan.
I would not be at all surprised if WMU gives UM just as much of a game as SDSU. Alex Carder (WMU's QB) put up better passing numbers (comp %, more TD, fewer INT) last season than Ryan Lindley (SDSU's QB) and Carder/WMU has two returning WR's while SDSU has none.
Note: I am not predicting that UM will lose to EITHER team. I think the margin of victory for UM will probably be about the same in both games at ~14 pts.
It's kind of hard to compare two players in separate conferences, at least IMO, because they play different levels of opponents.
Adding two more running backs will not matter if the Bulls can't reload along the O-line. They lost three starters, two of whom were All-Big East. One of them (Sampson Genus) now plays for the Packers (non-drafted, signed in July.) Genus was their center, with 30 starts.
Looks like they have a couple of solid guards coming back on either side of a 315lb senior who lettered twice as Genus's backup. Tackle looks like it might be decent as well... although check out that dude slated for right tackle. Redshirt Frosh who lost 60 lbs in the off season and now weighs 299. I'm not sure if he'll feel strong or weak after losing that much weight. Any football gurus out there who have dealt with a lot of athletes losing tonnage?
This info came from Scout's team preview of UF and Google.
All in all, with a returning Jr. QB who blew up in the bowl game (after first year with new coordinator, sound familiar?) to keep up some deep pressure on opposing D's, and what looks to be some decent pieces to rebuild an O-line with... maybe those three RBs will have some room to run. Verdict: if ND can stop the run, it suggests good run-D out of South Bend.
You're right...but they do have two very good lineman who are getting a lot of attention: Jeremiah Warren and Chaz Hine
I agree completely that USF has some question marks on the offensive line. That is the unit I am most concerned with, especially going against ND's D-line. They could potentially get manhandled. I'm in wait and see mode regarding USF's offensive line.
Aycock retired from football, their other back is Demetris Murray who is a fairly solid back with average speed.
USF is my "home" team. They still don't get a lot of recruits who had offers like ND on their lists. They should be a decent team this year, but ND should be an elite one. I watched Kelly dismantle USF a couple of years ago with Cincinnati. It was like watching the surgery channel. I'm guessing USF keeps it close for a half and then ND wins by a couple of TD's.
ND, like Michigan against WMU, isn't going to give a lot away. That should make the score look closer than the game. If USF gives ND a real football game, be very encouraged.
This is relevant to Michigan football. The more ND shows against USF the better. It givesul the coaches more to gameplan against and it gives us an idea of what we should expect from ND when they play us.
USF has a very mobile QB, he is good at making something out of nothing. This is good and bad news. Good news-We see how ND will handle quick QBs this year
Bad news- ND gets to practice containing a quick QB
Disclaimer: Denard would destroy BJ Daniels (USF QB) in any form of a race.
Denard would smoke ANYONE in any kind of race
Not to downplay Denard's ridiculous speed, but he's not even the fastest on the team on foot and without pads. His strength is that he can get to 95% of his top speed in pads and with a football. Well, that and going from 0-60 in roughly the same time as a 911.
It's funny when people try to act like they have a clue on what is OT and what isn't. This thread is clearly NOT OT and actually would be a good game to watch.
I actually think ND could lose this game.
Obviously, I am extremely biased. But I just don't think ND is as good as people are saying. This is still a team that lost to Tulsa and Michigan at home and got blown out by Navy.
The Bulls went 8-5 last year beating Clemson and Miami in their last 4 games. I know they are not world beaters, but they should at least compete.
Don't get me wrong, it would be a relatviely big upset. But after watching ND the past 5+ years, I would not be stunned if they dropped the ball.
I'll concede the UM game is a toss up because its UM/ND. But USF shouldn't be too tough. 10 total returning starters. NDs D tightened the hell up for the last 4 games and held opponents to 9ppg, and 3.7ypr. Comparison of opponents shows ND crushed Miami and beat Pitt. Kelly is not Weis, unfortunately for you.
But if he does pull another Tulsa this season (and he will), I'm hoping he saves it for the Michigan game because a) That'd be hilarious, and b) That means we'd win.
Are you expecting ND to be going through grim off the field issues and the need to play a true freshman QB from the first quarter onward all in game 1?
Are you expecting Michigan to be fielding 7 freshman on defense with a first starting year QB and a terrible defensive coordinator with tons of off the field distractions and an unproven set of receivers?
Didn't think so.
No I expect a solid team lead by a first year head coach who knows this game could set the stage for how long he is in ann arbor
To be fair to our ND visitors here, they're not predicting a victory over Michigan. They're saying that ND won't lose to a team the caliber of Tulsa again. That's not an unreasonable prediction.
It might be reasonable, but that doesn't mean its correct. I would guess that the same Irish fans predicting they won't lose to another "Tulsa" were predicting they wouldn't lose to Tulsa last year. The bottom line is that ND looked better in the second half of their season last year than the first half of their season last year. But the second half of their season last year was easier than the first half. And they still lost to Navy and Tulsa.
I can't speak for ND fans, but I personally don't expect ND to be a five-loss team this year. They got a lot better as last season went on, and Brian Kelly has a very successful track record. I think some Michigan fans in this thread are overly defensive and holding ND to a different standard than they hold our team. They expect improvement from Michigan because we return almost everybody, but expect ND to stagnate despite returning almost the same number of starters (and actually showing improvement over the course of last year, unlike us).
There is a non-trivial chance that ND is better than we are right now, and that the game with them will be very difficult. I'm bracing for that game to be a dogfight.
Which season is it easier to show improvement in....one where you play Navy and Tulsa at the end of the year or one where you play Wisconsin and Ohio State at the end of the year?
Irish likes to make a lot of excuses for why his team loses to horrible teams at home. In fact ND nation makes excuses for everything.
Everything bad that happened was due to A, B, C reasons that weren't the teams/Kelly's fault.
Everything good that happens is proof that Kelly is resurrecting the program.
Losing to Tulsa wasn't their fault. Injuries, yada, yada, yada...
Getting stomped by Navy wasn't their fault.
Losing to Michigan twice wasn't their fault. Refs, boohoo, Cryst, boohoo...
Killing a kid wasn't their fault.
A player raping a girl wasn't their fault.
Floyd getting a DUI wasn't their fault and was handled in the "right" way.
It goes on and on...
They matched our yardage output, and that was with their own version of Nick Sheridan playing QB half the game. With Crist in for four quarters, it could have been ugly.
What are you 12?
Nope, not 12.
Nice job actually responding to my post that you domers make excuses for everything.
I seriously cannot wait for the excuses that surface when ND loses some games this season. I can't even imagine what they'll be. Something outrageous I'm sure.
It was such a well thought out response I just didn't know where to begin, it was an instant checkmate
Makes you 12...
I'll take a shot at this...
Tulsa was on Kelly. Should have been a FG, get the win, get out & move on.
Getting stomped by Navy, the defensive coaches took the full brunt of that disaster. Our guys were not ready to play that game
As for losing to Michigan, there are no excuses for that. Its embarassing to lose to a UM team that was historically bad on defense 2 years in a row.
The school admitted wrong doing in the Sullivan case. Paid its fines, set up a scholarship fund in his name, installed remote cameras.
There was no rape, if you have read anything about the story.
Floyd was responsible for his DUI, was indefinitely suspended from the team until he satisfied whatever criteria was set out. First time offense, you want him kicked out of school? Or should we wait until a 2nd offense, multiple probation violations and then just redshirt him for a year until we actually need a WR for a tough 2012 season that will lack an experienced playmaker at the position? Oh wait, you already did that. Glass Big House.
I was actually agreeing with you until you got to Floyd. Either you are stupid or just plain lying about this being his first offense. This is his THIRD alcohol related offense and they seemed to be getting worse. He skated with no punishment at all. None. In fact it sure looks to me that ND is encouraging its players to get in trouble, because the coach will do nothing. Face it. If Floyd was a run of the mill wideout he would have been suspended for several games at the least or gone from the team at the most. Kelly is weak and the players now know it. Try again.
2 drinking under age? Are you really going there? Please keep trap shut until you can actually defend Stonum's punishment.
As for encouraging players to get into trouble, you are defintely stretching a bit Mr. Armstrong. Kelly is no more weaker than Mr. Hoke.
How can you even blame the loss on that? That game was 100% on Kelly. You had a great field goal kicker, perfect on the year, available to kick at a spot well within his range. Kelly's the one who wanted to take a shot at the endzone to try to win by a larger margin. The smart call would have been a run up the middle and a timeout, not a 35 yard hail mary. That loss is on Kelly.
This is typical domer talk.
Kelly is not Weis? Ok, declares the ND fan after one 8-5 year that included multiple embarrassing losses.
Kelly may indeed do much better than Weis, but you might not wanna get your hopes up too high there big guy. Otherwise, your administration may give him a 10 year, 20 million dollar extension, unfortuantely for you. How much are you guys still paying Weis by the way?
Also, I like how you pretend that the last 4 games are the only thing that's indicative of what team you will have this season. Somehow the other 8 games don't matter?
I have no doubt that you will likely beat USF. I think you have a good chance of beating us as well. But I can't believe your arrogance in stating that USF "shouldn't be too tough". Have you even watched your program the past decade?
SirJack, you're right, ND did seem to get stronger toward the end of the season.
BUT, their schedule isn't quite set up like ours is. Michigan played most of their easy games early in the season, with their last 8 games including 3 teams that went 11-1 and and SEC team.
ND played their toughest games early in the season IMO and finished with an good but not great teams. Thats another reason I think the performance in those last 4 games might be a bit of a mirage.
I think if ND played Wiscy, OSU, and Miss State in their last 4 games there may have been a different result. Just my opinion.
So expecting to win the first game is arrogant for a ND fan but you have no doubt ND will likely beat USF so what exactly does that make you?
Don't confuse arrogance for confidence in this team, especially the defense
The total offensive rating for ND's final 4 opponents, 34th. USF's final total offense rating: 105th.
Average yards allowed in those final 4 games: 268 yds, USF was 1-2 when held to that yardage, with the 1 coming against rutgers.
Average points allowed in those final 4 games: 9.75, USF was 0-3 when scoring 10 pts or less last season
Some real arrogant stats the NCAA collects
Again, you are looking at only 4 games. Congratulations, you had 4 good games last year. I won't argue that at all.
And while I think its likely that you beat USF, a domer fan coming on a Michigan board and saying it'll be an easy win just comes off as arrogant to me.
I thought we were going to beat UConn last season. But I wasn't on ND boards spouting off like it was a guaranteed victory. I try to be realistic about my team and its expectations.
Well if there is a domer thread started on any board you can expect a domer's opinion to follow. I guess it is arrogant to think a domer could have a peaceful relationship with rival fans
If you're offended by my comments than you need to grow some thicker skin IMO.
All I have said is that the other ND poster came off as arrogant when stating USF would be easy, and that ND fans tend to make a lot of excuses.
I also happen to think that your team is vastly overrated, as they have been for a decade.
I'm sure you think some things about Michigan and its fanbase that aren't very nice either.
None of this means that we can't be "peaceful" as you stated. But you cannot expect to be on this blog without someone going after you a little. Try going on a OSU or MSU blog as a MIchigan fan and you will get treated far worse than I have been treating you.
I respect you, ND, and the rivalry. I just happen to get extremely fired up about it. Overall, however, I think you contribute more to this blog than you take away from it. Just don't be too offended when I go after you because unfortunately it is just in my nature.
This is as close as I can come to a peace offering, so I hope you can accept.
It's not USF's offense you need to worry about, it's their defense. They were close to a top 25 defense in the country last year and have 8-9 starters returning. And ND's offense last year? Not so impressive. ND's most reliable offensive skill player (Kyle Rudolph) is now gone. You better hope USF's offense sucks, because you are not going to win a shootout against them.
NDs offense will be in year 2. But the reason for the optimism is the turn around on defense. We haven't had anything to look forward to on defense for years.
Rudolph was done for the season following the Pitt game, which was game 6, Eifert had a great season in his absense. He isn't draftable as a junior but he will do very good things for this offense. Minus a lineman, a RB and a QB battle this is the same offense in those final 7 games.
Not sure where you are getting 8-9 starters returning on defense-
Rivals says they return 6, Phil Steele has them returning 5.
Their defense is very overrated because they have FLORIDA ATHALEETES with FLORIDA SPEEED... they play weak big east offenses week after week. They aren't as good as advertised.
Why is there so much hype for ND early every year? They ALWAYS recruit high end talent. They always get some of the best players in the region, but they've had so many mediocre seasons in the past few years. You could say the same thing about Michigan's team this year, but the difference is a gigantic (tremendous) defensive scheme change that not only puts many players in their natural positions, but will be run how it is supposed to be. (Side note on the side note: The 3-3-5 is a really effective defense if used properly in that it's extremely blitz heavy. Constant 3 man rushes only serve to expose holes in zone coverage).
ND will have players at every position; nobody can argue that. But the test will be beating some actually good teams. I think this will be a closer game than most people would think but ND will still win simply because they do have offensive weapons that USF cannot fully match up to and the ND defense should be solid.
I highly doubt that ND will get a BCS berth. (Though stranger things have happened. Cough.. cough.. UCONN .. cough).
If they beat Miami and Clemson last year, they sound like a very legitimate squad. Did they lose tons of players? A game could break out here. Just a few years ago, USF was constantly being (over)rated in the top ten to fifteen. I never agreed with that, but it would seem like some years, USF should be taken pretty darn seriously.
And again, Michigan bias aside, ND does tend to get a bit overhyped any time they have a glimmer of hope.
Would anyone like to stop picking on the OP and answer his question? ;) Does USF have a chance this year? ? ?
Yes, I can help you out here - I went to USF for undergrad and follow the team very closely.
USF's defense has a LOT of team speed. They were fast last year when they finished 17th in the country in total defense and should be even faster this year. This will be their second year with their new D-coordinator and they should all know the playbook by now and know their assinments. It is impossible to run to the outside against them. They have good linebackers and safeties, and good rush ends. Their weaknesses on defense will be size on the D-line and they don't really have a lock down corner, so Floyd worries me. If ND wants to put up points against this defense, they will have to open their playbook. The USF defense is solid.
Offensively, on the other hand, they have a lot to prove. BJ really struggled last year in the new offense. The line didn't block for him very well, he missed a lot of open receivers, and he made a lot of arrant throws to DBs. He did progress throughout the year though and played really well in the bowl game against Clemson. Their receivers will also be upgraded this year over last. Last year their 2nd and 3rd receivers on their depth chart got hurt during fall camp and missed the entire year. Now they are both back and they also have some good rookies that will contribute (Andre Davis and Ruben Gonzales). The RB situation will also be improved over last year. They have two solid RB's in Murray and D. Scott. A poster above mentioned Aycock, but he actually is no longer with the team. Murray and Scott will probably split carries at the beginning of the year, but I expect Scott to take over the starting role once he has a chance to prove himself in games - he's had a great camp and the coaches rave about him.
In general, the team should be much better than they were last year. Listening to the coaches tone and excitement from this year compared to last is like night and day. Last year, the coaches' sounded a lot like Michigan's do this year. They were frantic trying to install their new playbook and they were also trying to evaluate players and just find enough players to field a team. They actually sounded pretty terrified about the product that they were gonna put on the field. I did not have high hopes going into last season and actually think that they overperformed. This year is the complete opposite. The coaches all rave about how well everyone knows the playbook, how hard they have all been working and how much competition there is at every position. Holz says that the fact that they start the year against ND has given the team extra enthusiasm throughout both Spring and Fall camps. They know they don't have any cupcake tune up games. I expect the team to be much better this year. Also, BJ apparently has really grasped the offense in his second year and has had a good fall camp.
I won't be surprised at all if USF beats ND in week one. I actually kind of expect it. Also, Skip Holtz is a former ND player and coach and is very excited about this game. I guarantee the team will be ready. I think USF will pull this game out, otherwise it will at least be close.
very good info, appreciate the insight.
Based on what you are saying, I may have to find the time to tune in for this one. The first game of the season is not the same as the others - odd stuff happens. If ND has those "back to school" problems that the NFL teams are having, you never know what USF might do.
Thanks for the analysis . . .
Daniels was supposed to have had a hamstring issue last week, but I hadn't heard anything since then. Rudolph had a "minor hamstring" last year as well which ended up being him tearing it off the bone. Was Daniels' issue really an issue. are you guys expecting him to start week 1 still?
I expect ND to win but it will be a decent game. Whenever a big east team opens with ND they always seem to have a good season. If ND does win a close game, it will make ND overated and then when USF begins to win, the win will be discredited because they're in the big east. So either way ND will still lose if they win the game, no one needs to worry about that.
Miami, USF and UM those are some similar QBs to defend.
Yeah, Daniels is fine. He sat out a couple days and then fully participated in the last 4 practices. Holtz said that they will give him light work for the next week or two because you never know when a hamstring is fully healed, but as of right now he is expected to play and be 100% by the start of the season.
Thanks, thats what I figured since it hadn't made it to ESPN or anything.
I'm also a former USF undergrad and I have to agree with this post. I really expect BJ Daniels to bounce back after a rough sophomore campaign. Their defense is going to be elite (by Big East standards) and their offense could be above average with a year and a half of work into the new scheme.
I love to see them fail. An 0-2 start for them would give me much joy. It's great to see the midwest talent in 2012, but I miss the FL connection. Let's see ND beat a D with speed. Then let's see them defend Denard. I don't think they can do either. 0-2 for ND...pls make it happen.
"It is impossible to run to the outside against them."
Really? So Oregon wouldn't be able to run outside on USF? Alabama and Trent Richardson? How about the Kansas City Chiefs?
No one doubts that USF has great athletes on D. Hence Selvie, Pierre-Paul, etc. all being relatively high draft picks
But the two best defense players on that team last year were Mcclain at DT and J. Williams at LB, both all-big east and high draft picks.
I don't see how losing those guys plus 3-4 other major contributors will make the defense better this year. There are no standout DTs or CBs on the team. Not convinced with the safties, and both DEs are pure pash rusher types.
It's certainly possible that guys like Giddens could be the second coming of Pierre Paul and the defense is fantastic again. But I think they are going to take a step back.
ND's offense is bigger and more athletic then the average Big East team - or last year's awful Clemson offense (86th in country in scoring... including putting up 58 on Presbyterian). This game just doesn't match up well for USF.
The Kansas City Chiefs? What the hell are you talking about?
The USF linebackers can get sideline to sideline as well as almost any group in the country. If there is one thing USF has, it's speed at linebacker. Plus, they have fast defensive ends and hard hitting, athletic safeties. No, you are not going to run to the outside agaisnt them, which is why West Virginia had less than 2 1/2 yards per carry against them last year. If you want to run the football against USF, you have to go north and south.
You are putting way too much stock into returning starters. Yes, they lost Williams, who had a lot of speed and was a major contributor, but when their other linebackers are going from Fr to So. and So to Jr., plus are going into their second year under a new coordinator, I expect that unit to get better. It's called having depth.
In the secondary, they lost one good cover corner, who had only 1 int last year. The rest of their 2 deep is returning at both Safety and Cornerback. The added experience at every other position in the secondary will make up for the loss of one player (Raymond), who was a former walk-on and got drafted in the 6th or 7th round. The other CB, Washington, started last year, and Webster, who is replacing Raymond, played quite a bit.
Yes, they will have to replace McClain, which will be tough, but that is still just one position. They still have a stable of defensive ends and Giddens should be better this year, if he stays healthy, than either of their starting ends last year.
If you don't know how coaching and experience can help a team get better, especially when they were adjusting to a new coordinator last year, then I can't help you.
I guess the best comparison I can make is to Michigan. After the 2011 season, Michigan loses Woolfolk (equivalent to Mistral Raymond?), they will lose Martin (equivalent to McClain?), and they will lose RVB (equivalent to Bedford?). Are you telling me that Michigan's Defense will necessarily be better in 2011 than it will be in 2012 because of those losses? Despite an extra year of coaching will Mattison? USF still has a very young defense. Losing a few players will not outweigh the jump that their Fr, So, and Jrs make.
Hey, I'm not a fan of either team, but my family is all Pitt fans so I watch a lot of big east. I can see you're excited about the direction USF is going, and USF will be good this year, just not as good as Notre Dame.
It's great that Skip Holtz is now in the second year of installing his scheme... but so is Brian Kelly. Both teams should make a "jump," but ND's jump is going to be bigger because they have more talent and more depth than USF across the board.
Ask Phil Steele or any good prognisticator - two of the best ways to project teams preseason are 1) returning starters (especially on the lines and QB) and 2) close losses versus close wins and final SOS for the previous year.
ND returns 4/5 starters on its O line and 3/3 on the D line - USF returns 2 O line starters and 1 D lineman. Comparing the lines, USF just doesn't have the depth, experience and size to keep up with ND's lines. I'm being as objective as I can. If you disagree, that's fine, we'll just see how the game plays out.
And as far as USF making a "jump" this year - USF still has a ways to go. They just weren't as good as you think last year. They beat 2 FBS teams with winning records - Louisville (finished 7-6, in overtime) and Miami (7-6, in overtime). ND throttled Miami and beat Pitt easily.
Also, if you want to talk about how impossible it is to run on USF (running outside versus inside doesn't matter... a yard is a yard), I wouldn't point to WVU, and not because USF lost that game 20-6 - because WVU had a hard time running on anyone last year. They were 50th in rushing YPG and avg'd just 3.9 YPC.
As far as UM's 2012 defense... They should be better, obviously losing Martin, RVB and Woolfork will have a significant impact on whether or not that is the case. There's a reason why teams that return their stars, lineman and QBs tend to do really well.
I'm certainly not overestimating how good USF was last year. But their defense was very good. There is no doubt about that. USF is still an up and coming program. Their recruiting classes have gotten better every year. After the 2009 season, from their starting defense, they lost: Pierre-Paul (1st Rd pick), Nate Allen (2nd Rd. pick, 37 overall), Jerome Murphy (3rd Rd. pick), George Selvie (7th Rd pick) and Kion WIlson (undrafted free agent signed with the Chargers, still on team). Yet, in 2010, their defense was even better than the 2009 defense. Their losses this year were not nearly as significant. The defense has a lot of depth and the young players coming up, at least defensively, have been continuously better than the players before them. This year will be no exception.
The losses on the defense were minimal. Their defense should be better this year than it was last year just off of depth and experience.
Offensively, they were atrocious last year. B.J. Daniels was lost. Their WR core was labeled "the land of the misfit toys" by Skip Holtz because of injuries; they were all players that were forced to convert from other positions, outside of Bogan. This year, the team is healthy, more experienced, and deeper than they were last year on offense. I know that their offense has a long ways to go to be good, but they can't help but to be improved over last year. The losses on the offensive line are something that will have to be overcome, but the coaches are much more comfortable with the current group than the previous group, and therefore, so am I.
Just watch this interview with Holtz from last year, he basically says that they were going to suck on offense and there was nothing that they could do about it. This was a week before the start of the season. Sorry, I don't know how to embed.
This year, the tone is much different. The coaches are confident and excited about the start of the season. I'm just saying, you have to look at more than what the team looks like on paper. There are a lot of other factors.
I also understand that ND will be better this year than they were before. They will be a tough opponent. I still think that USF will be ready. They should be much more fired up for this game than ND will be, especially with their coach's ND history. We'll see what happens.
here's the line right now:
ND -10-11 pts at the moment. i think it'll be useful/interesting just because ND's offense was in relative turmoil most of last year. getting a clear-ish picture of what they can specifically do, even if it's just their base stuff, i think would be valuable.
This is a dangerous team here. Well coached and they are starting to get a fair share of the Florida talent. Very fast team. They have beaten some big names over the last few years but also lost to some bad teams as well. I believe they have had some good draft pics recently - more than us sadly. I think this will be a close game if the qb plays smart which has not always been the case. He Is talented but young/raw at least so far. If ND doesn't open the playbook and still wins then they are for real. I think we see more of their offense then we show against western.
I'm not understanding the hate over OT. This is very on topic.
ND beats USF relatively easily and comes into Ann Arbor thinking they're the shit. Favored in our house with an allegedly more talented team in the second year of the second coming's era - we'll have them right where we want them.
Like 2006? Oh man that game was awesome
Like 2006? Oh man that game was awesome
i would much rather notre dame win and feel confident then lose a close one and come to ann arbor angry.
i would much rather notre dame win and feel confident then lose a close one and come to ann arbor angry.
sorry about the double post...also, *than. i go to michigan i swear
really bad for ND. I think they will beat USF and give Michigan a ton of trouble passing the ball around to their talented wr's and te's... However, if ND loses to USF it could be an 0-3 start to the season pretty easily. They have UM and MSU right after and that's not an easy gauntlet to run to start a season. If they start 3-0 it could be BCS bowl time for the Irish.
Michigan's first four games will also tell us a ton about our team. I think the San Diego State game is a scary one, and the hype for the night game will be huge! Can we just fast forward to football, please? I can't wait to see it all unfold.
Hey, Domers... is it Reece or Crist this year? I think Reece is less talented, but more cerebral and will make less mistakes. Crist is on fire or horrible and not much in between IMO.
If ND goes 3-0 a BCS game becomes very achievable, I think that is a lot of peoples' barometer early in the season.
The starting QB will be announced Tuesday. Crist played like a first year QB, being late on his passes was my biggest complaint, he needed to trust his receivers more, tried to play to not make a mistake. There was a lot of pressure on him though, he was the only option ND had for the majority of the season and he knew the season's success fell on his shoulders. I think it will be Crist in week 1, but I just want 1 guy to be the clear starter. Previous QB competitions didn't breed a cohesive offense, the sooner they can move on the beter.
Well, I am taking USF plus those points. Book It.
But, I always take Skip Holtz when he's an und
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I follow USF more than any other team outside of Michigan and I can tell you that ND will be in for fight. The Bulls were plagued by injuries at receiver last season which caused their passing game to really struggle. This year they return A.J Love and Sterling Griffin which will help them immensely. Also, playmaking corner Terrence Mitchell has been converted to wideout and if he can find room to run look out because he's a burner.
Defensively, they will be stout once again. The biggest question mark for them will be stopping the run because they lost Terrell McClain on the interior who was drafted in the 3rd round of the NFL Draft. Their linebackers are going to cause big problems for the Irish. Both Sam Barrington and DeDe Lattimore look like future NFL guys and were the leading tacklers for the team last year out of all the guys that return. Both corners were starting at some points last year and both safeties return as well.
This will be a great opening week matchup folks, and I would not be the least bit surprised if ND goes into the night game with an 0-1 record.
Really sounds like this game will be a good test for NDs offense and defense. This thread has me more interested in the game than I already was