i refuse to even consider this a possibility
ND Observer's Take...RR Had The Easy Job Saturday.
I mean, he's not the only one. A lot of people think RichRod - despite inventing this zone read offense he and so many others run, despite tailoring the offense you see today that runs play never run last year - is just the beneficiary of a really sweet QB - ignoring the maneating offensive line, the terrific downfield blocking by the receivers(and their pass-catching), and a myriad of other things.
Just let the train roll. There's no victory in defeating a weak opponent. Michigan already beat the only people at ND that matter.
...asshattery!! plus 1.
Nevermind that of those 8 penalties fro 99 yards, two or three were very questionable AND called at very inopportune times for Michigan. But that would be thinking logically, so...
Agree, My favorite parts:
1) I like how the he doesn't give credit to RR for developing Denard into a QB.
2) The he says RR is "entirely too dependent on Robinson" but gives BK a break because Crist got hurt.
if you completely ignore the fact that Michigan had a freshman punter, a rs freshman kicker, a secondary filled with a walk-on, 2 rs freshmen, 1 true freshmen, and 2 players who switched positions. Oh and the refs called a really crappy game. But yea RR should be blamed for the kicking game and bad penalties
So Kelly gives them a decided schematic advantage in every game? Jeez, where have I heard that weak shit before?
I remember when Charlie Weis was a hero after a close loss to USC. Willingham was pretty popular in the beginning too. You would think these clowns would learn seeing as how no coach of theirs has won a bowl game played in the continental United States in almost twenty years.
I can't wait to watch Rodriguez knock this guy's dick in the dirt for the next 3-4 years before they hire the guy who will engineer ND's next "Return to Glory."
...wasn't it the grumble grumble of our own fanbase about schematic advantage and Lloyd Carr's alleged deficiencies v. the spread just a few short years ago?
Lloyd Carr DID have trouble beating good spread teams. We didn't claim we had a schematic advantage every time we lost. We complained that the offense and defense both seemed stuck in the past. And we were proven right. We're not yet back to winning 9 or 10, but we're no longer getting beat because "that fast guy can throw, too!", and when Carr finally opened his playbook for Florida, it was beautiful!
So, apparently, RR gets absolutely no credit for finding Denard, and building him into a Heisman candidate that is pretty much unstoppable. Not to mention putting him in the offense that lets him take advantage of his talents. It's as if coaching is only play calling or something and no preparation at all.
Right, because it's not like everyone was blind to the fact Robinson was going to be a human dynamo as a quarterback. Everybody knew he was a Star and that's why every coach in the nation offered him a scholly to play QB.
Coaching is little more than being a day-care coordinator. You really don't have anything to do other than provide adult supervision. It's just the lucky ones that get kids like Denard that win games....
on why Michigan is more believable this year. It's because Denard is having a great season WITHIN the confines of the offense. All this stuff he's doing? It's not improvisation. This is how the offense is supposed to look.
One coach had a very easy job Saturday: snap the ball to a dynamic quarterback and let him make you look like a football genius. Then, hold your breath that your quarterback outscores the other team on his own.
Yeah I mean it isn't like RR decided to offer Denard, recruited him, coached him, taught him the offense, helped refine his passing mechanics, taught the other guys on the field to block and support Denard and so on and so forth. Well not all of that was RR, but that was the coaching staff overall, which RR assembled.
Yes Denard is freakily fast, but there have been a lot of fast people that were washouts (looking at you Ted Ginn Jr.). Denard is on the field and getting to showcase his skills because of the team RR assembled.
What's really funny is right now the Irish are defending Kelly the same way they used to defend Weis. Give it a few years and they could be screaming for Kelly's head.
And because every other major program in the country thought the kid couldn't play quarterback. Think Florida wouldn't want to rethink that decision now?
...but there have been a lot of fast people that were washouts (looking at you Ted Ginn Jr.).
The water's fine. You know you want to. You're far too witty, (not to mention "level-headed", "scholarly", and "good natured") to be an OSU fan.
Yeah, I agree that Ginn, Jr. has been thus far somewhat underwhelming as a player who was drafted #9 overall, but he is a pretty damn good kick returner.
Ginn was anything but a washout in college (which is what Denard plays, let's not forget). Who cares what they do in the pros.
Probably Dolphins fans. Teehee.
Yeah, I bet all 7 of them are pissed.
Ask Morgan Trent if Ginn was a washout in college
I just don't know why we need to bother with the rest of the offense. We should just put a long snapper and DRob out there and spend the rest of the scholarship money developing replacement DRobs in a cloning lab. How the hell to the give the sports-writing beat in that town to someone without any more of a nuanced perspective on the sport.
If I were more motivated, I'm guessing I could find some similar articles from early in Weis's tenure.
domers being domers.
domers gonna dome?
Domers gonna dome.
With the exception of the last play of the 1st half, I actually don't think Kelly did that poor of a job. This guys article trashes RR way too much though, but he has some legit points. The penalties need to stop in b10 play. That will kill us. He fails to mention the lack of turnovers though, which also shows a well coached team.
In all fairness, each QB had 1 interception, so if Crist had stayed in, that likely wouldn't have been a point to be made.
I think going for it down 14 going into the half and knowing that the other team gets the ball first in the second half is completely reasonable. I'd be screaming for RR to go for it if the situations were reversed. However, the Go-for-it-no-wait-let's-punt BS cost them a timeout. That's what he should be getting reamed over.
Michigan was the least penalized team in the Big Ten last year. Saturday was one game. I wouldn't worry too much about it. Plus the refs were screwing us all day.
Hmm, what I dont understand is how Kelly teams dont give away games with TO's.....I'm not the smartest guy but I could swear ND had 3 TO's. Penalties on the other hand, all i can say is that I found it rather odd that everytime we had a big play in the 2nd and 3rd qtrs it mysteriously came back for some questionable holding calls. All in all though it's the usual ND perspective.....Like Coach Rod says, he wants to have 2 or 3 QB's he can win with and I guess Kelly only wanted 1 he can win with.
With a healthy crist in the entire game, the Rees and Montana interceptions likely aren't replicated. Of course, the author does completely ignore the shanked punts giving ND good field position, the 2 missed FGs prompting RR to basically run the last drive as 4 downs or bust, the crap secondary which the genius kelly didn't take advantage of (seriously, where was Floyd? he was my matchup nightmare).
I'm sure Kelly WANTS more than one QB he can win with; he is just a first year coach who hasn't had time to develop depth yet. Looking at where we still are in our coach's third year, you should understand that.
They may not have been great calls, but when you have aggressive blocking by a bunch of young guys all over the field, I imagine refs are going to have a couple of more close calls to blow than usual.
This is one of the most poorly written articles in some time. It really shows how insane Notre Dame fans are. No longer can they respect a young Michigan team that came in there and beat the Irish, the refs, and the OMG brilliant best head coach in world history, Brian Kelly. Give me a break. Kelly openly put down Denard Robinson before the game calling him a running back. Kelly openly belittled his quarterbacks dropping as many F-Bombs on them as Rex Ryan on hard knocks. Let's not forget coach Kelly's brilliant decision to go for a touchdown instead of taking the points at the end of the first half. The guy is so stuck on his own arrogance that it's genuinely funny to watch. Keep up the amazing work BK, what an astounding coach you are...That's why Michigan didn't even want to interview you, you clown.
Guffaw. Snort. Laugh hysterically. Sad little ND fan. So cute.
Take a deep breath guys and let it go. That article displays one of the most glaring deficits in understanding of the systemic aspects of an offense that I have ever seen. The author is too ignorant to trouble yourselves over.
Never mind the fact that RichRod was the only coach in the country willing to let denard play qb in the first place.
Hmmm.....who gives a fuck
Let's assume that what this writer says is true, and that RR's gameday job is easier than everyone else's. If that's the case, then Kelly and everyone else is a complete idiot for not following suit, and making their job more difficult than it needs to be.
All I can say is that I wish people would have wrote articles supporting coach Rod like that in a loss. Stupid article? yes Jealous of the kind of press Kelly gets in a loss? yes
Because turing a raw talent from a liability who gets an occasional series to change things into an instant Heisman candidate where there was no previous hype take zero coaching. Neither do the play calls or general offensive system that the player runs.
As a matter of fact, why don't we go back to the 1880s when there were no coaches?
LOL Notre Dame press.
It's like their press is the exact opposite of ours. No matter what, there's a silver lining.
Did anyone catch Lou Holtz after the game? He said something along the lines of, 'First I have to say the ND defense did a great job...'. Seriously, whatever ND fans are smoking, I want to go to there.
if you count moral victories. Which of course they do. Don't forget ND won the greatest moral victory in college football history in the Bush Push game. They have a whole wing dedicated to them, I suspect. An entire hallowed hall.
Paul Horning will tell you they can't compete with other schools because they their academic standards are too high--just ask him. (He'll plug his ears with two fingers if you say, "But Stanford ...")
As you note, ND also has a silly mouthpiece on ESPN that spins the virtues of Irish moral victories weekly, even though everyone outside of ND family thinks the dude is a harmless if delusion grandmother of fourteen.
In some ways I feel for them. Michigan's been down for 2 years. But these guys are going on more than a decade with only a couple of bright spots. It's got to be killing them.
My boss is an Irish fan, and the moral victories are insufferable.
"I like ND because they win the right way, unlike with Rodriguez."
"Ah, and what's that mean?"
"ND players go to class and remain in good academic standing."
"So do Michigan's players."
"Ha, you really believe that Dick Rod doesn't find illicit ways to keep the thugs he recruits eligible?"
"No. A large chunk of the reason that Tate lost the starting job was because he had an incomplete in one of his classes."
are the only kind they've had for a long, long time...
But you misspelled "weakly."
James Rogers, JT Floyd, Cam Gordon and Jordan Kovacs on the road to play against Mike Floyd and Kyle Rudolph and co. With a bunch of true freshmen backing them up.
Easy equals = taking a raw, extrememely athletic shortish runner quasi-QB and in about 1-year turning him into an assassin passer who recognizes Ds, taking advantage of his wheels to put the secondary in a world of hurt. (Is there another player who's been "coached up" more than DRob in this short of time? I'd like to see him.)
Easy = having your kids give the ball to the refs after they score; not letting it go on the two yard line.
The flags did fly in this game. The personal fouls were questionable. Not unfair, but certainly questionable. Kovacs and Cullen were bang bang. I can't complain. Dorrestein's "clip" was a pretty weak call, it seemed. He reached but didn't quite get there. Horrible call? No, but still very borderline. ND was fortunate they didn't get a couple called themselves. DRob took a shot to face. ND homer NBC guy saw it. The zebras didn't. That's how it goes sometimes.
Clay Davis read the link and says "Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiit."
is the writer acts like all Denard Robinson did was run the ball. As much as I've been impressed with Denard's running ability, it's his passing game that has me impressed. He might not be throwing the ball much more then 10-15 yds down the field, but he's a much better passer so far than what I was expecting - even with the spring and fall reports.
The writer obviously never saw Denard last year. If he did he'd realize there's been a ton of improvement in Denard's passing. Not to mention, Denard never ran the read option last year. They simply snapped him the ball and used the running back as an additional blocker. Denard's come a long way in a year and a lot of that credit has to go to Denard for putting in the work, and to the coaches for helping him improve.
This picture was on the front page today:
Like schadenfreude-laden snowflakes, each expresion of agony is unique. Notice especially the Green Man on the bottom left side. A cross between Napoleon Dynamite and Freshman Tom Brady/Lloyd Christmas from last week.
Am I ever going to get tired of these pictures?
We made GREEN MAN not so green.
Looks like the scream mask. I spent a few minutes looking at each expression also, God I Love Denard. All homo.
"schadenfreude-laden snowflakes, each expression of agony is unique." Great line. +1
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
the guy to the right of Napoleon Dynamite is ahead of the curve. He has passed the "OhhhhhhNOOOOOO!" epiphany moment that most everyone else is feeling and jumped straight to thinking "MOTHER FUCKER"
There's a lot of soul-dong-punching going on in that picture.
I now know why TWIS is late this week. It needed to wait for this picture.
I regret that I have but one plus to give for "schadenfreude-laden snowflakes."
THOSE are the hot chicks at nd.
"Failure is not simply one loss"
No, it's the entirety of being a ND fan.
Michigan is just jealous and wishes they were Notre Dame
is not part of the HC's job, apparently.
Coach Kelly: So, game plan developer guy, what should we do against Michigan?
GPDG: Make Robinson beat us. He's probably tired after last Saturday.
CK: Sure. Sounds good. Thanks for taking care of that for me so that I could spend my time coaching the team into being disciplined. I heard the officials are gonna be watching really closely for penalties this week.
I read the article that went with the picture up above...it's unbelievable how ND fans think. My favorite quote
“Denard Robinson is talented, but he seemed like a ball hog. He was selfish, like he thought he should be doing everything,” she said. “Notre Dame played more like a team.”
I just wrote that guy a letter. I'll let you know if he responds.
that not all farmers are dumb.
If writing and reading that makes them feel better fine...they lost and we won. On to the next game.
Last year the same writer would be telling us RR should be moving DR to a different position because he was too raw to effectively play QB. Does he take into account how much hard work and coaching RR put into DR's game over the last year to get him to where he is? No that doesn't count as coaching.
Now RR has coached up both DR and DG so he won't end up in the position Kelly found himself in on Saturday.
Does someone pay these guys to write this nonsense? Probably not thankfully - likely a student.
what was last year's excuse when we scored 38 with Tate?
DR beat ND all by himself. No one threw a block, snapped him the ball or caught a pass. No one knocked down at least three ND passes or ugh... committed 3 or 4 personal fouls to keep ND moving.
Yep, DR did it all by himself.
For a suposedly "academic" institution, ND certainly doesn't get the obvious. Michigan is superior on and off the football field. Michigan will be successful in spite of ND not because of them. ND's only success in the last few years has been because other programs have suffered, not because of their schematic advantage.
Translation: If you have a good player you, therefore, can't out-coach other teams.
Did this writer even think about what he was writing before he wrote it? Damn....
On the one hand, Rodriguez deserves a lot of credit for recruiting and developing Denard into what he is today. Whether his system is easy or hard to call in-game is irrelevant, especially since Rodriguez is more of a system coach anyway.
On the other hand, when ND is in a worse position than Sheridan/Threet (Montana was a bad JC player and Rees was a frosh) for about 45% of the game due to Crist's injury, then yes this was an easier win for Rodriguez than it was for Kelly. Kelly made some tactical/strategic mistakes throughout, but most of those were trying to overcompensate for his version of Sheridan/Threet.
I know Crist played imperfectly when he was in the game, but I'm not sure if Michigan pulls out that win if he played the whole time.
Threet and Sheridan were in a poor position to run the Rodriguez offense given their specific set of tools. Additionally, they were inexperienced, and didn't have much by way of stud receiver help. Montana and Rees were inexperienced, but were physically equipped to do what the job required and had two of the best at their positions (Floyd and Rudolph) at their disposal.
Yes, it's harder to win when you lose your starting QB. Shocker. But that's the only valid point the article had to make, everything beyond that was as ridiculous as everyone is saying.
Ok, so RR had the easy job. That would mean that RR had the better team, right? Seems like what would be considered a tough job for a coach would be trying to beat a team that's better than yours, right?
And as far as not taking 3 at the half, I think it was the right call. You're all the way down at the 3 yard line, Michigan's getting the ball back, and you don't know if your starting QB will play the second half. Take a chance on it, just like you did (and it paid off) all the time at GVSU and Cincy.
Still, I like him alot less after saturday. Seemed like a dick. Thats just my humble opinion though.
So some random Domer writing in a paper no one not related to the writers cares about wants to give Kelly a tongue bath. I'm surprised the piece got by my filter.
In a more serious vein, someone (RR?) said that the ND defense was designed to keep the ball in DRob's hands. I would appreciate someone who's more studied in the game (and studied the game) to verify and explain. If so, it would seem to be a somewhat questionable strategy.
Just to pile on, running all but the last yard with the ball in your possession isn't very disciplined either.
I was one of the folks saying this was ND's strategy.
What I was hearing (on radio) and then saw in the video highlights seemed to be a 2-part strategy:
- (Almost) always crash down on the running back on the Zone Read. Instead of letting RR and Denard run the ZR offense, ND decided they would take away the RB option and make Denard "pull the ball" every time we ran the ZR. I guess Kelly figured that after 10 hits on Robinson, those 7-yard runs would start going for just 5; and after 20 runs he would be getting 3; and after 30 runs (and getting hit after each one) Denard would be too tired to throw accurately and ND could put 9 in the box. The added benefit of this strategy to ND was that it made Michigan's other favorite play, the QB Draw, less effective since that crashing DE will suck up the lead blocker (notice Denard was getting 5 yards on these instead of the 10-15 against UConn). The downside of this strategy is that if Denard is actually a tough sonofabitch who can take all of those hits and average 9 yards a play, well, then all you've done is made his Zone Reads easy, and let Michigan run the ball a lot with its best playmaker.
- On a few drives, ND went to a 3-man rush with two guys playing contain/flat zones and everyone else in zone. From this set, Kelly also had a blitz-6 package. This was the pass side of the "Make Denard beat us" strategy. Again, I guess Kelly figured a guy winded from running the ball all the time would not be able to sit comfortably in the pocket and pick apart a zone, nor hit the open guy in stride when facing a Tenuta-like blitz. For much of the game, he was kind of right -- Michigan went to a short, quick-pass game, and as it wore on, Denard was seeing the open man downfield but couldn't get him the ball.
Ultimately, the strategy was to make Denard really really tired and banged up so his passes would flail and his cuts wouldn't be so scary.
That was my impression. I think once we have this week's Offensive UFR we will be able to tell better.
Wouldn't/isn't going to be the strategy Tressel will use. If only he could be as good a coach as Kelly, though.
You think THAT was dumb? Take a look at this gem:
Wow. My IQ has just dropped.
When he's only as good as Pat White.
"Kelly has been at Notre Dame for nine months now, and already the Irish don’t give away games like they did in the past, with turnovers or penalties in crucial situations."
Like the pass into the crowd on their last play of the game?? Or the pass into the crowd before half?
But I can't help think that anyone who thinks it was easy to coach Denard playing quarterback didn't watch him play AT ALL last year....
You guys don't understand. The great players of other teams succeed merely on the basis of raw athletic prowess; this is unfair, for some reason I can't quite explain. On the other hand, the noble warrior-poets of Notre Dame, despite pedestrian physical abilities, triumph by virtue of ingenious coaching and pure grit. It takes a brilliant coach countless hours of preparation devise great plays, like when Crist hurls it as far down the field as he can and hopes Floyd or Rudolph catches it. Despite being 5-star all-Americans, those guys aren't talented or anything. Kelly has such a tough job, we should really feel for him.
...and he keeps losing to us....
there's 2 blindingly obvious points to counter that
1) That beautifully set-up Denard run fake to a wide open Roundtree. Incredible set-up
2) Brian Kelly went for a touchdown on the last play of the first half instead of taking the points. They didn't get it. Guess how many points the Irish were down by at the end of the game when they were in field goal range?? FOUR. Bet Kelly wanted a redo on that one
Was RichRod a bit lucky? Probably. Was he outcoached by Brian Kelly? NO
Outcoached? I'd say RR outcoached BK. Scoreboard.
Even Valenti seemed to think that Rich Rod outcoached Brian Kelly, and that's saying something.
the MICHIGAN 2 star OG Patrick Omameh plowed over and pancaked the nd 5 star LB Manti Teo (and another player) to help spring Denard's 87 yard TD burst.
I'll take being "outcoached" and "undisciplined" like that every play of every game.
First pass by the backup= flea-flicker for the INT. Great call.
Crist play the whole game ND wins= If T-Wolf would have played he would have had TE responsibilities on that TD and WR responsibilities on their 3ed QTR TD so the final score should have been 28-10.
Finally I'm going to give UM a win every time Henne left the game with injuries and UM lost.