it's that it doesn't help Michigan for Notre Dame to be seen as a go-to program by top players across the country.
landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
it's that it doesn't help Michigan for Notre Dame to be seen as a go-to program by top players across the country.
Great players have been going to Notre Dame for a long time. I don't think one game is going to determine much.
But why help them? Especially when they are pulling it together.
And ND year in and year out recruiting top 5 classes is a problem. We go head to head with them all the time.
We can't hope everyone is bad, ND has been bad forever they are do a good run. UM just needs to step up in recruiting and on the field. We are top 5 in recruiting this season, just need to finish strong like the other big boys.
At this point I'm down for anyone but the SEC winning. Perception is swayed so far in the SEC's favor that anything to put a dent in that is good for the Big Ten.
If it wasn't for ND we'd have a repeat ALL SEC championship...again. That's just bad for the sport. Prob 4- 5 SEC teams will start preseason top 10 again next year which means they just need 1 or 2 of them to have 1 or fewer losses and they are guaranteed at least one if not two teams in the championship. Thats BS. Only way to stop it is to beat them on the field. In bowl games. In recruiting.
UM is one of only a handful of teams that has any chance at that (OSU, ND, UM, USC, Texas, OU, Oregon). That's about it. Anyone one of these teams is against SEC then I'm pulling for them.
If anything just to change perception and give other teams a fair shake each season.
Texas? That must have been thrown in for games only against Texas A&M. Stanford would fair a lot better than Texas, even going forward.
Ron Powlus, nodding politely.
Hiesmans on the mantle in the Powlus home.
ND has not had consistent top 5 classes for a long time. Let's not start now.
Despite everything, they always have been that.
But there's always been the stigma that ND vastly underachieves with all their talent. We don't need people to think that ND is going to be a power again
Weis was pulling in top classes winning 6 games or 3 games in a season.
The ND brand will always sell. Just like Michigan will always sell.
They've been viewed as such since the myth of Notre Dame and its "divine" place in college football took hold in the 30's under Rockne. They carry with them a sense of moral superiority because of the school's religious background, coupled with the perception that they are "doing it right" when it comes to football compared to other schools, which always seems to be short-hand for racial undertones in the perception of each squad.
UM will always have to compete with ND for recruits, and I dobut winning an MNC will change that for either party. And to be frank, I suspect that next year will be a rather pronounced drop for ND nationally, as many of their key players on offense (most of the running backs, Riddick) and defense (Te'o) will graduate, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Nix leave early if the scouts talk him up. Plus, they pulled quite a few games out of their collective butts this year, and that luck won't last.
Unlike the Alabama's and LSU's of the world, who seem to reload and win with a set system each year, I don't see that with ND unless you feel that the massive improvement in defensive rankings is due to some recruiting shift that wasn't in place in the past. I see them regressing to the mean a bit, especially in the backfields on both sides, though their recruiting should stay strong regardless.
By the time the kid is any good, if ever, we won't be playing them.......
While this is true, ND doing well still means us competing with them and Ohio for the top midwest recruits. A lot of recruits that put academics on the top of their list of thing in a school (and not the Adolphus Washington kind of academics), seem to chose ND. Even though most rankings have Michigan far ahead of ND.
And, I'm glad a stud that was not even considering Michigan is going to ND. Now maybe we land a stud that was considering ND, but now goes Blue!
Well then it's a good thing we'll be getting the #1 RB recruit.
I think it makes a lot more sense to use 247's composite rankings, which draw from 247, Rivals, Scout, and ESPN, rather than just the ESPN rankings (as the OP does).
The composite rankings for RB:
1. Kelvin Taylor (Florida)
2. Derrick Green (undeclared)
3. Thomas Tyner (Oregon)
4. Ty Isaac (USC)
5. Altee Tenpenny (Alabama)
6. Keith Ford (Oklahoma)
7. Greg Bryant (Notre Dame)
15. DeVeon Smith (Michigan)
He is only 14th on scout, 3 spots behind Deveon Smith. Typical ESPN hype for ND placing that on the front page of their website.
Look, I get the hate for ESPN and everything, but how is this some sort of ESPN biased hype? Its the guy they've got pegged as the #2 RB committing to a team with a huge national following tha also happens to be in the national championship game. Its news.
The fact that it is on the front of their website is what makes it biased coverage. It isn't front page news on a Sunday afternoon during the NFL season. How many times does ESPN put recruiting info on their front page? If he had signed with anyone else it wouldn't be on there.
Unless ESPN had some sort of prior agenda to hype this kid specifically, I don't see how his ranking is tainted by ESPN.
My point wasn't how they rated him, it was that they put it on their front page. If he committed to Florida or USC or someone I highly doubt it would be on their front page
They are biased because it is their rankings, and it is top of mind because nd is playing in the national championship game. They'd do the same thing if some other school were playing in the MNC game and pulled in the espn #2 RB recruit. In short, it is not a bias for nd, but a bias toward their own network.
Its because they just LOVE Notre Dame and will put ANY story about them on the front page.
Or its because they have a business interest in putting things on the front page that they think people will click on, and that was something that they thought people would click on. Kind of how this whole making money on the internet thing goes...
So they should only cover the Yankees and the Cowboys? There are local TV network affiliates and fan blogs for that.
When you are (supposedly) a national sports media outlet, you act like it.
At the time it was posted, there wasn't a lot going on news wise. All of the 1pm games were still under way and there's just not much national type news happening yet today. Give a couple of hours until the 1pm and 4pm games are over and it'll be off the front page. And ESPN has been putting more and more recruiting info on their front page. Reuben Foster was on their the other day, and I've seen things there a handful of other times.
Its a top recruit at a skill position committing to a team with a huge national fanbase. This is how news works. If its the #2 offensive guard committing to Tulsa, then no one gives a shit because its Tulsa, and its an offensive guard. This was on the front page because its something they thought enough people would care about, not because ESPN has a giant hard-on for Notre Dame.
He is #10 on 247, #14 on Scout, and #2 on ESPN.
Ranked as the nation's No. 10 running back nationally and the country's No. 130 prospect overall, Bryant is the 22nd commit for Notre Dame head coach Brian Kelly and his staff in the class-of-2013.
I swear you people have no idea how national news sites work.
Why even live!!
ND has always recruited well. This is nothing new.
Espn top ranked RB. Rivals 10th best. Good for them, like others have said they've always had the talent and good classes.
Rivals has him as the #2 running back and the #16 player overall.
Has Kevin Taylor as their top RB (from FLA and gator commit) and has 7 of their 9 five stars are from the Southeast. Damn you ESPN... SEC! SEC! SEC!
Eh, I don't really care. Not that highly rated on other sites, they've always recruited well, and after 2 years they're not really going to be a part of our lives anyway (sad face). Whatever
What am I missing? Looks like he's the #2 RB on Rivals as well.
I hate ND and im not sure why ANYONE on this board would want them to win the NC. SEC is gonna be SEC until the NCAA does something to change it. We compete with ND for recruits. Although ND has been getting these types of players for a while now, their defense like ours, is greatly improving and if they keep getting huge recruits on the Dline, its gonna be tough to beat them.
ND is going to get what they are going to get. UM is also recruiting well along the DL. It is going to be tough to beat UM.
People getting all frothy over recruiting have not followed recruiting very long because ND has recruited well since they first painted their helmets gold.
Overall during their history, you're correct. However, to say that their recruiting isn't affected by their on-field success isn't supported by their recent history.
Tyrone Willingham went 10-2 in 2002, and his 2003 class was ranked #5 by Scout.
He crapped the bed at 5-7 in 2003 (including the 38-0 laugher in Ann Arbor), and whaddaya know, his 2004 class is ranked #30 by Scout.
He went 6-6 in 2004, and the 2005 class that he started and Charlie Weis finished ends up at #27 by Scout.
Not only that, but after the reality sank in to recruits that Weis wasn't going to be the savior either, the 2009 and 2010 ND classes were ranked #23 and #19 by Scout.
ND's recruiting is largely national so I don't think we recruit against them as much as many people think. We seem to be recruiting against Alabama/SEC much more this year (Poggi, Dawson for BAMA; McQuay, Green, Treadwell for other teams)
Anyone have any idea?
Well, one upside to their current class being so good is that UM will only play against any of these kids during the true freshman or sophomore seasons.
At this point my only concern with ND recruiting is the impact on UM recruiting. Not upset about this, but would be furious if Treadwell ended up there.
I am in Hello post withdrawal.
I'm not sure why people are so "meh" on this kid. He has offers from almost every big-time school and is ranked highly. It seems like some of you just don't want to think about Notre Dame getting more talented players.
I realize we won't be playing Notre Dame for very much longer and it's not like Michigan was in the running, but this is a pretty darn good pickup for the Fighting Irish.
Not like ND ever does anything with talented recruits anyway. They had like the top LB recruit in the nation a few years ago and that guy hasn't done shit in his career. He didn't even win the Heisman! And that WR Floyd? Didn't even win the Belitnikoff! ND is where talent goes to die.
This garbage. Still not sure why we even include those guys in the recruiting summary. Their in the ACC forgodsakes.
There are so many things that are dumb about this post...
^ "get off my lawn," classic Magnus
"Who cares." - This is a website devoted to college football.
"Who posted this garbage." - Look up the page and find out the name at the top.
"Still not sure why we even include those guys in the recruiting summary." - ND is a rival and typically competes for the same talent as Michigan. Also the only Midwestern power not in the Big Ten.
"Their in the ACC forgodsakes." - They're. The ACC is crumbling. We still pursue similar targets and play them quite often.
Hope that helps.
I love you Herm.
I think you'd fit in better over on the free boards at Rivals or Scout. There you can pound your chest about what an awesome UM fan you are because you're enthusiastically uninformed about what's going on in the world of college football outside the city limits of Ann Arbor.
If you're not first you're last.
A michigan offer. Not sure why tho.
Happened to that 5 star running back from San Diego that went to USC something Dillon? Ya last time I checked he isn't doing dick now. Who cares that ND landed a running back
Nd is our second or third most significant rival, and we still play them for another few years. Also, they compete with u's directly for recruit (given similar geography, academics, tradition). Why is this not something that is worth a thread? Also, if you are not interested, why click - the title was fairly descriptive. Also, it's the quiet period between Ohio and out bowl, so other than recruiting, why else is there to discuss? NFL teams that have no impact on Michigan? Perhaps another thread on treadwell, Dawson and Greene, just invade we misse something?
This isn't directed at you per se, but I find it silly when people click on a thread just to post that they don't like the topic.
Bryant is high quality and a great pick-up for ND with their top 2 RBs likely gone next year. Also boosts them to top 3 or so class ranking.
South Bend has the same crappy weather to explain to kids from FL and CA, significantly fewer social options than AA, and no SEC lure.
The final grade for our class and recruiting prowess still depends on grabbing a couple playmakers with the last few spots.
I say meh because its a rb.. of all the 5 star bust players over the last decade..rb's has ti be the highest #..stud running backs are a dieing breed
Unless they go to Alabama, where somehow they prove to be just as good, if not better than their ranking.
Actually, I don't think 5-star RB's miss all that often. Going all the way back to 2002, I found just 6 guys who were Rivals 5-stars who I would consider to be "busts."
BUSTS: Darrell Scott, Jermie Calhoun, Dillon Baxter, Jason Gwaltney, Kevin Grady, Michael Johnson
Obviously, the story is yet to be written for a few guys from the past couple classes, but that's a pretty low number for encompassing the last decade. My guess is that there are other positions that have had higher bust rates, but I haven't looked at every spot. And regardless, I think personal issues get in the way more than physical talent. If you look at the above list of guys, at least a few of them (Gwaltney, Grady, Baxter) had off-the-field problems that contributed to their poor/mediocre careers.
I don't know whether Bryant has character issues or not, but if he doesn't, then I'd say there's a pretty good chance that he finds success.
However, in the next couple years our series with them ends. So we won't have to worry about them on a yearly basis. I would rather see these kids commit to ND than OSU who we'll still play yearly. ND always recruits well, and I feel that the coaches we have now do a great job of evaluating talent early and also evaluating character. Think of Micheal Dyer and Isaiah Crowell. Both highly-touted recruits who had character flaws and are no longer at the school they signed with. This kid didn't even have an offer from us. Maybe the coaches knew some stuff about him that made them wary of him. For Michigan to be consistently in the conversation as an elite team, we have to play and beat elite teams.
Wow. This board and the quality of its posters have really gone to shit in the past few months or so. Not saying I'm the greatest poster, but some of these new guys.....whoo
This from the dude with 139 points? Mmmmkay.
I've been reading Mgoblog since the fall of '09 and didn't make an account until much later, so yeah I do remember the "olden days"
However, that one recruit looks the same as many others over the last 25 years at ND. UM needs to do their part and grab a WR & RB!
UM needs a big time skill guy. I think Funchess will be elite at TE but could use more weapons.
Props to ND though. Its clear ND and OSU are carrying the torch for superprograms in the North. I think if UMs OL recruits pan out they can join them.
I'm with the meh crowd, the guys the #2 back from Florida with no comittable offer from all 3 schools in Fl. If that doesn't raise a red flag not sure what does.
Very surprised that the #2 rivals RB has a listed 40 of 4.56. Although he is pretty big already for a HS Sr so he probably won't lose speed putting on weight.
Maybe that's his actual speed, rather than the guys who list 4.3 speed and then run 4.7's at the NFL Combine a few years later.
I agree with some of the posters that it appears that RB's with lots of stars are more likely to work out then lets say an offensive linemen. That all said it is still a number based on potential, specifically NFL potential. What is often overlooked is recruiting players that fit a scheme. The Weis classes were noted did not reflect in wins. But they were acting like a bad NY Yankee team in that they were more a collection of talents then a coherent set of classes.
There are certain programs that have had great success identifying players that match a scheme and playing to that scheme. At their best Iowa did this. Wisc also has had a lot of success without neccesarily uber recruits. Oregon is a BCS player not every year without neccesarily relying on top15 classes every year.
Ultimately there has to be a trust of the coaching staff. Moving to basketball which is much easier to scout because they play so much more, it is amazing that Beilein identifies lower level recruits that either explode as seniors or explode in college. So if Mattison is all excited on a 3 star and passes by a 5 star, I am going to trust Mattison over any recruiting agency.