ND Investigation Announcement & Results Rampant Speculation Thread (No New News)

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**I created this thread since the ND academic investigation & consequences are likely to be a significant & specific source of conversation leading up to our game with them this week.  Rather than have people dig deep into the general game week thread, I figured this would be easeir.  Mods, feel free to delete or edit if necessary....**

 

Notre Dame announced that the fact-finding part of the investiation is over, and that some or all of the cases will be sent to the univeristy honor code panel for a final determination.  No word yet, but my understanding is this will happen prior to Saturday.  

Any rampant predictions or rumors?

How much will this impact our game with them on Saturday?  Obviously if key starers are held out it hurts ND, but if they are somehow cleared early, how rusty will they actually be?  Folks on ND boards are saying that the suspended players are still working out and attending meetings & film sessions with the team, but not actually putting on pads and running drills.  Will this even matter?

Once any official news comes out, somebody else can create a fresh thread.

 

EDIT:  Learning the ropes of creating new threads.  Rather than making this the entire thread on this issue, Mods have helpfully told me it's all about the time stamp.  In that case, I'm letting this be the repository for rampant speculation and then if/when real news comes out Tuesday or Wednesday, etc. somebody else can post up a fresh thread w/ links to the real news.

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MichiganTeacher

September 1st, 2014 at 5:52 PM ^

If they're completely innocent, then the university did those three innocent kids and their football team a grave injustice by forcing them away from the team during the investigation and/or deliberation. I guess ND - to be fair, like most universities these days - doesn't believe in innocent until proven guilty. That's a shame.

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BornInA2

September 1st, 2014 at 9:00 PM ^

"If they're completely innocent, then the university did those three innocent kids and their football team a grave injustice by forcing them away from the team during the investigation and/or deliberation."

If they let them play and they were later found to be academically ineligible, then what? Innocent until proven guilty, yes. Free to roam about as you were before you were accused of a crime, not so much.

This kind of thing is going to get worse and worse until "I didn't come here to play skool" is the norm. Seems to be that college football is well on it's way to being not at all about college and mostly just an NFL D league with paid players and public subsidies. And lemons. Everyone must eat lemons.

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GoBluePhil

September 1st, 2014 at 10:42 PM ^

Only applies to criminal trials. It has been taken out of context regarding many other accusations. ND could have played the supposed cheaters before a hearing and if found guilty of cheating the school would have to forfeit the win. They couldn't take that chance. Therefore the suspension until investigation.

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tsbilly

September 2nd, 2014 at 12:29 AM ^

For as much flaming as ND gets on this board you would think they were in the SEC. Despite being one of UM's main rivals, I respect Notre Dame. They have actual academic standards and they have handled this case appropriately, IMO.

How many other schools would suspend a quaterback that took them to the NC game instead of trying to find a way out? Even the Rose Bowl fought to "preserve the integrity of the game" by letting known cheaters play, and they aren't even a University. (They are a non-profit organization by the way. Nobody involved with the RB brought to you by Citi makes a profit ;)

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EGD

September 1st, 2014 at 6:49 PM ^

The ND honor code is available on-line and basically provides for three types of penalties, depending on whether a violation is "minor," "major," or "flagrant." A minor violation is one where the cheating would not significantly increase the student's grade, and/or little evidence of planning & premeditation. A major violation involves cheating in a way that could significantly increase the student's grade, and/or there is evidence of extensive planning. A flagrant violation involves cheating by multiple students or in multiple courses. The penalty for a minor violation is an F on the assignment, for a major violation is an F in the course, and for a flagrant violation is expulsion. http://honorcode.nd.edu/the-honor-code/

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Wolvie3758

September 2nd, 2014 at 11:10 AM ^

This has all the makings of ND finding no serious wrong doing RIGHT b4 the Michigan game and they will all be eligible to play..Havent we seen this before?

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