ND fans are still delusional

I have been browsing the nd blogs on and off this season and I definitely agree with you that they are every bit as dilusional and arrogant as ever, although some of them have finally been broken.

Two weeks ago they seemed convinced that Kelly was their man, citing how scared us Michigan fans were of that hire. I personally am not scared by Kelly one ounce. What's he going to do? Bring In an offense capable of putting up 40? Uh didn't they have that this year?

Anyways, now they are all about stoops, even as he denies them at every opportunity.

As far as weis goes, I will definitely say that as a coach he rubbed me the wrong way. But I'll try to refrain from judging him as a person because I don't really know him. Who he is as a coach is not who he is with his family and friends.

And one last thing, as a Michigan fan base let's try to steer clear of the term "haters." I almost never see Michigan fans use this, but ND fans drop it every other sentence and it drives me crazy. They also like to use the fact that people hate them as evidence of their relevance in the sport. If hatred is relevance than I'd rather be irrelevent.

Yet another ND thread.

I don't see anything wrong with the quotes.

How many Mich fans were talking about destructive ninja football by year 2? The cupboard is def. not bare at ND.

This is my favorite quote:

"Notre Dame must be in the top 10 in the BCS standings every year, and in the top 10 in graduation rates. Graduating all your players, but never being a contender is meaningless. We could do that with an all walk-on team. Graduating players is important — so is winning football games. I don't want to be number 1 in one category and at the bottom of the list in the other. I would rather have a football team where all players graduate with a 3.0 GPA and wins a National Championship, than one where all players graduate with a 3.7 GPA and win only 3 games."

That sounds like a huge sacrifice he's willing to make. [/sarcasm]

I can't think of any school that wouldn't be happy with a football team that wins a National Championship and graduates all of its players with a 3.0 GPA.

The only person I am really scared of ND hiring is Urban Meyer, and Meyer says it isn't going to happen. Kelly may do very well at ND if hired, but the best I see him doing is maybe breaking even against UM, and that is a worst-case scenario for UM. Contrast that to Meyer, who is 14-1 in rivalry games since arriving at Florida.

Just for the PITA factor, I would rather they not hire Kelly, but "scared" is hardly appropriate.

for ND to not listen to advanced quotes given by these coaches and just make them an offer. Offer Stoops or Meyer .5 million more than their current contract and just put it on the table. It always seems to be speculative as to these big names and they are never put to a decision.

I am from the midwest, thus, I may be biased to a certain degree, but I still see Notre Dame as one of the most compelling football program in the country, even with their recent struggles. If I don't have a rooting interest in the 3:30 game on any given Saturday, chances are I am going to NBC to see what the Irish are doing. They have money to spend, their stadium and facilities are second to none, and while it pains me to say it as a die hard M fan, Notre Dame is pretty damn cool, uniforms, helmets, fight song and all. (I could do without the Leprechaun pushups).

My guess is that despite the off the cuff denial as to interest, if made an actual standing offer, even without an advanced meeting, Stoops would seriously consider taking the job. The Big 12 is tough sleding, and if you consider that Notre Dame basically names their schedule year in and year out, I am willing to venture that ND would get his attention. They are just too damn scared to be flat out rejected to put their neck out there.

at the level they want to be at. The defense is in shambles, and as we know very well, you cant win without a defense.

that Weiss is taking all the heat right now, and nobody is talking about RR. I hope ESPN doesn't say anything about him or our team until the start of next year.
What would you guys rather? Tate starting with Devin redshirt, or Devin starting? What if Devin is twice as good as Tate in practice? I am torn about this because I don't want to see any more QB's out there with 0 college football experience. However, if DG is what we think he is then it might happen again.

My favorite part was when he said it was important for ND **AND** College football for the Fighting Irish to be a top ten team. Why is it important for college football???? I would say, CFB has been very good without ND as a top ten team.

Notre Dame still has ridiculous levels of talent. They have had that talent available to them on the recruiting trail all through the Bob Davie, Tyrone Willingham, and Charlie Weis eras. Notre Dame's problem hasn't been talent. It has been crappy coaching hires. Davie was a putz and as you can see at Washington, Willingham was terrible. Weis had never been a head coach and it showed. As Brian mentioned yesterday, Weis repeatedly landed big prospects that Michigan wanted. Weis's last four classes were ranked #8, #8, #2, and #21 by Rivals. His current class is ranked #11. The right guy is going to turn them into a powerhouse.

Hey, sorry for posting this in your thread (I finally created an account and don't have enough points to make my own thread yet). But I thought some people might enjoy this:

From an ESPN article talking about Kelly, this is a quote from one of his players:

"We had another coach [Dantonio] who looked us straight in the face and said he wasn't leaving. We remember that."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=4701416

...he starts one chapter by saying something to the effect of...
"To be a successful football coach, one must:
-graduate all his players
-have zero discipline problems
-have zero off-the-field problems
-keep alumni happy
-fill the stadium every game
-win the national championship

Yeah, and then I'll fly to the moon!"

I can't recall it exactly, and have stored that book away.

Ironically, this seems to be the exact expectations of the ND fan base.

came from Lou Holtz yesterday, after CW's firing:
"It's easier to win at ND now than when I (Holtz) was there."
LH cited the much nicer facilities and easier schedule.

I would love to see Skip Holtz get the job, and see Lou do a complete 180 on such comments.