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September 12th, 2009 at 7:54 PM
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ND boards are in meltdown mode . . .

I like to mosey on over there and enjoy the carnage.

They seem to feel that the refs screwed them and Wies is a big sack of poo.

I was impressed with the ND offense, the seem young on defense. Their OL is better than I thought, but not a top 15 line by any means.

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September 12th, 2009 at 7:56 PM
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No link? C'mon man!

No link? C'mon man!

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September 12th, 2009 at 7:57 PM
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L-fricken-O-fricken-L!

L-fricken-O-fricken-L!

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September 12th, 2009 at 7:58 PM
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collect the worst of it so I

collect the worst of it so I can TWIS it. And when you do save the pages because if it's ND Nation they'll flush it.

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September 12th, 2009 at 8:05 PM
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I'm on the case

Where is the decided schematic advantage?

http://notredame.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=335&tid=125758582&mid=125758...

Our Coach is Terrible

http://notredame.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=335&tid=125757113&mid=125757...

My favorite: I'm absolutely sick to my stomach. Where do we go from here??

http://notredame.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=335&tid=125760639&mid=125760...

"Our program needed this game. We needed it badly. I just don't know where to go from here. It feels like what we built up after the Bowl game and after the Nevada game is all gone. This loss is devastating. We shoulda beat this team by 10 points.

1. I'm always the first guy to stick up for Weis, but I just can't do it this time. RUN THE DAMN BALL AND RUN THE CLOCK DOWN!!!! Michigan probably would have had to throw a hail mary or some kind of desperation play had we knocked another 40 seconds off that clock.

2. Our special teams just killed us. Missed FG, returned kick off.....just a joke. We got our a$$es kicked in the field positiion battle all day long.

3. We didn't hit Forcier hard all day long. He's been killing us------at some point somebody needed to hit him hard and put him down.

Where do we go from here???"

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September 12th, 2009 at 7:58 PM
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Here you go!

Irish illustrated is the rivals site:

http://notredame.rivals.com/forum.asp?sid=961&fid=335

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September 12th, 2009 at 7:59 PM
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Refs

My ND alum sister in law left something on my facebook praising Tate and bitching about the refs. Seriously, what calls did the refs blow in our favor? The thing that Millen was bitching about on the final kickoff and time coming off? Was pretty obvious to me that the KR touched the ball. Other than that, I see nothing that they can really complain about.

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September 12th, 2009 at 8:02 PM
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I don't think that player

I don't think that player (was it Allen) stepped out of bounds on that screen pass. But I'll take it.

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September 12th, 2009 at 8:06 PM
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I thought

he was out.

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September 12th, 2009 at 8:19 PM
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He was out. Maybe by an 1/8th

He was out. Maybe by an 1/8th inch, but he was out.

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September 12th, 2009 at 8:34 PM
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One example of the crappy job by the guy in the truck today

It was very, very close. The guy in the truck shoulda just focused on the one angle, freezing the frame at the critical moment.

Also, the guy in the truck chose to show way too much of the happenings on the sidelines (e.g., the kicker), cutting to the field late at the beginning of plays.

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September 12th, 2009 at 8:02 PM
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That's what makes this win so

That's what makes this win so schaudenfreudey. Not only did we win, but we won while Weis made a bunch of questionable calls that will make ND fans regret everything they wrote in the summer of 2006.

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September 12th, 2009 at 8:05 PM
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Hiroshima

Has officially come down on Weis and the Irish this game + this win= FIRED! Can you ask for a more perfect of a Saturday?

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September 12th, 2009 at 8:18 PM
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Rebound

I hope ND rebounds and finishes 10-2. It will help UM for quality wins and Weis won't get fired. It's more fun beating someone so arrogant and it will prevent ND from hiring a really good coach.

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September 12th, 2009 at 8:41 PM
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Weis' offense scored 34 and put up 490 yards

Tenuta's defense gave up 38.

((Internet.T.Guy ducks expecting lightning bolt as he defends Charlie))

What good does that talk do in week 2 of a season?

As others have stated, I wouldn't be surprised to see ND go 10-2. Weis lost a tough one, today. If his team looked impotent, that would be one thing. But I saw some firepower there, and I would let the season play out before jumping to conclusions.

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September 12th, 2009 at 9:05 PM
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Technically Tenuta only gave

Technically Tenuta only gave up 31.

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September 13th, 2009 at 12:17 AM
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Weis

chose Tenuta and put all the defense on him. But at the end of the day, Weis is the HC and responsible for anything he gets.

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September 12th, 2009 at 8:09 PM
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38 is the Magic Number!

at least when we beat ND.

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September 12th, 2009 at 8:14 PM
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38 3 times in 4 years... is

38 3 times in 4 years... is that like 666 to Notre Dame fans?

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September 12th, 2009 at 11:40 PM
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Who says RR doesn't respect

Who says RR doesn't respect tradition?

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September 12th, 2009 at 8:11 PM
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best part is...

Either MSU or Notre Dame will go 1-2 next week!!

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September 12th, 2009 at 8:12 PM
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AND THE BEST PART

WERE RANKED NOW!!!!! Well will be!

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September 12th, 2009 at 9:03 PM
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Bo would disagree. Seeing us ranked in the papers (websites?)

doesn't compare to the thrill of the TD pass w/ 11 seconds to go.

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September 12th, 2009 at 8:12 PM
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Have they gone the full

Have they gone the full Hiroshima?

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September 12th, 2009 at 8:16 PM
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Yeah there were a couple play

Yeah there were a couple play calls that were very disappointing, it came down to execution today and UM executed well above ND.

I need to wait and rewatch the game before making a final judgement on everything but first impressions: sound in the stadium was insane (took away at least 3 TOs). Refs were infuriating, ND offense could not get out of their own way, UM pass rush brought heavy pressure (most impressed after the 1st half), Forcier was amazing, Denard was meh. UM made ND look like they had 4 blockers in on that return (and could be the play in my mind which made the difference in this game).

congrats to UM

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September 12th, 2009 at 8:22 PM
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Solid response, Irish. Good

Solid response, Irish. Good game to ND as well.

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September 12th, 2009 at 8:27 PM
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Irish I respect you. Good

Irish I respect you. Good response and well said. ND put up a hell of a fight and this is what UM-ND should be every year!

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September 12th, 2009 at 8:28 PM
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Very fair analyses. ND

Very fair analyses.
ND definitely has reason to complain about the refs, but I think we do too.
Personally I think the two teams are very very evenly matched, but we were just a little bit more clutch when it mattered.

I applaud your level-head response.

I would be interested to hear your thoughts about weiss because it is hard for me to imagine ND still wanting him. Not because of this game necessarily but the body of work.

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September 12th, 2009 at 8:34 PM
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Rash decisions and opinions

Rash decisions and opinions are never something someone should act on. I will listen to his post game press conference before coming to a decision myself. My main grievances were calling the QB draw in the first quarter, and then not running when Forcier threw the int. Otherwise I have no problems, bottom line came down to the players not executing on the field.

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September 12th, 2009 at 8:50 PM
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Slow play calling

Did the delay of game penalties, using timeouts, or general hurried attitude of the offense have a noticeable affect? Since they made such a big deal out of Weis calling the plays, how does his performance calling the plays rate?

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September 13th, 2009 at 12:28 AM
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Part of it was the insane

Part of it was the insane amount of noise in the stadium, I don't know if he had to repeat the calls in the huddle or what, but Clausen did change the play a couple times with success. Sometimes the ball just wasn't snapped in time after he motioned he was ready. It was a mix and came down to not executing.

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September 12th, 2009 at 8:34 PM
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Irish, you're a good sport and a classy guy . . .

Good luck to you the rest of the way. If you get floyd back, you'll kill MSU. Evans is going to be great, but he is not ready yet.

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September 12th, 2009 at 8:34 PM
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I think you're being a little

hard on the team. it was a very close game in all aspects. I do think your team got outcoached a little in the second half, and you were missing m. floyd on the final drives.

I thought the refs were pretty good, maybe missed a couple of holding calls against your O-line, but the penalty yardage was pretty close.

And I remember MSU beating us once when they ran out the clock by throwing the ball. A jump ball to floyd might have run out the clock.

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September 12th, 2009 at 8:50 PM
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The 2 penalties that I was

The 2 penalties that I was the most angry about was the last "holding" penalty on Sam Young, where it was him actually driving an unbalanced Brandon Graham into the ground. He was knocked off balance by an awesome chip block by the TE on that side and then Young finished him off, the ref didn't see the chip block so called Young on a holding penalty. If the ref had been paying attention the completion to Kyle Rudolph for 70 or whatever yards would have put us within the UM 10 yard line.

The 2nd was the "taunting" penalty on Armondo Allen for doing what looked only to be a fist pump after scoring in the corner of the endzone. That penalty then set UM up with great field position on the kick off at the end of the game.

And then there is the TD run by Allen in the first half which was some how determined to be indisputable evidence that he was out of bounds. They must have had a camera angle that CBS didn't show because there was nothing close to indisputable in those replays.

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September 12th, 2009 at 9:26 PM
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If allen didn't get the

If allen didn't get the taunting the jimmy definitely would have when he started humping the ground after allen got in.

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September 12th, 2009 at 9:43 PM
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I believe the side judge

I believe the side judge originally called him out, but the ref still awarded the TD. Since the side judge's call came first, THAT was the call to be overturned, rather than the other way around.

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September 12th, 2009 at 9:53 PM
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I didn't see the side judge

I didn't see the side judge or the other ref running down behind Tate make any gesture of it being out of bounds on the replays, and they were literally a few feet from him during the run. UM called a timeout before the extra point to get the review booth extra time before it was called down to the field.

I mean 2 refs were right there on the run with better looks that any of the cameras, and then the 3 different camera replays did not show anything close to indisputable evidence. I don't know what the guy in the booth saw, but you put that player in any color jersey you want and I would say the same thing.

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I have to

I have to agree with you, that holding call was bogus. I remember thinking at the time it evened out a bad call UM's way, but I can't recall what. But yes, that holding call was a tough break for you guys.

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September 12th, 2009 at 10:26 PM
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Taunting

As far as taunting goes, I'm not so sure that it WAS a taunting penalty. They never showed the call on that one. I also recall a game last year where a player scored a TD and threw the ball in the air or something and got a penalty for that...

In any case, as far as the taunting goes, I'd tend to trust the referees to know and interpret the rules more than anyone else. I do agree that it didn't look like much on TV.

The other issues are, I think, valid. But both were close calls and certainly the kind of thing that the team should chalk up to "variance" rather than a ref having it out for you.

I do understand why fans might get frustrated though.

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September 12th, 2009 at 11:15 PM
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After listening to the post

After listening to the post game press conference the taunting call was made because Allen made a "shooshing motion" with his hand. So ok fine, I would just ask the refs be consistent but with all the celebrating on UM's next TD it didn't feel that they were. But I was already pretty annoyed with them at the time so I probably wasn't in the best state of mind to be objective.

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September 12th, 2009 at 11:24 PM
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Well, shooshing is taunting,

Well, shooshing is taunting, not celebrating. It's a small, but relevant, difference here.

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September 12th, 2009 at 11:43 PM
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Yeah I know that, it just

Yeah I know that, it just seemed as though the refs wanted to make sure there wasn't any un-sportsman like activities during the game. And that taunting would fall in that category but then the long celebration (on UM's next drive) was excessive, no pun intended, and not to mention Cissoko's cheap shot on Floyd as he sitting on the ground (right in front of the ref).

I don't think we are choir boys but man it seemed one sided. I probably won't feel that way after watching the game again but that was how it felt.

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September 13th, 2009 at 12:01 AM
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I'm not happy with Cissoko's

I'm not happy with Cissoko's push either. Keep the chin up, smoke MSU next week.

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September 13th, 2009 at 12:22 AM
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I agree about the Cissoko

I agree about the Cissoko push, but come on, man. I know that was probably a gut-wrenching loss to endure, but go back and re-watch the game. Watch for all the calls that came against Michigan throughout the game, it was called evenly.

Like Shock said above, beat the hell out of MSU next week. Look to the rest of the season.

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September 13th, 2009 at 12:34 AM
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Yeah I will, should be

Yeah I will, should be downloading the torrent as soon as I find it.

If the team does not bounce back after this, we could be in for an awful game, see BC in 08 after the 4OT loss to Pitt the week before. Saying that I think they will, there were many players in a position to make plays and they didn't and realize the impact of not executing, so they should be pretty self motivated.

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September 13th, 2009 at 12:40 PM
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Taunting

When I first heard the call on that 2-point I thought it was on Clausen. He pulled a little Shooter McGavin-Ground Hump-Thing. That pissed me off.

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September 12th, 2009 at 11:20 PM
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You guys had legit grievances...

...on that holding call you are talking about. He just blocked him into the ground. And the out of bounds call that took back the TD. That call coulda gone either way, but there was not enough evidence to overturn the call on the field.

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September 13th, 2009 at 12:28 AM
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The holding

penalty was a bang bang call. It was actually Craig Roh that got chipd by the TE and then got driven to the ground by Young. It looked alot worse than it was, but I can see where the flag would be thrown (Young latched onto Rohs jersey and pushed/threw him down.)

The taunting penalty was the right call. After the fist pumps he put his hand up to his face making the "shhhh" motion and seemed to be jawing at fans in the stands. Dude just needs to celebrate with his teammates and not be dumb.

I can see where the officiating could be questioned, but if you rewatch the game, BG and Martin were getting held like Mofos most the game. There were alot of missed/questionable calls on both sides.

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September 13th, 2009 at 3:26 AM
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On TV

I thought millen explained the new emphasis on that kind of holding call pretty well. The taunting penalty on allen I thought was a bit weak but he did put his finger up to his lips to shush the crowd. It didn't matter though because we didn't score on that drive and had to punt anyway.

If you can't see green between the foot and the sideline, he's out. but it was close. I think an overhead shot would have been best, but the shot from across the field made him look very out, the one on the sideline showed him just barely touching the line.

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September 13th, 2009 at 8:34 AM
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It mattered a great deal

FWIW, that penalty was key. Our field position was tons better than it would have been otherwise.

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September 13th, 2009 at 1:16 PM
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I agree with you

I agree with you wholeheartedly except for your comments about the officials.

I actually thought that they did a pretty good job.

There was a lot of battling on both sides in the passing game. Michigan's corners were riding ND's receivers quite a bit but Floyd and Tate were pushing off just as much. The refs did a good job of keeping their flags in their pockets and letting them battle it out.

The only really bad calls they made were the extremely late pass interference call on DWar, the no call when a ND player bumped into Greg Matthews after he called for a fair catch and the taunting call on ND. The taunting call might have been a culmination of several different taunts, but if you're not going to call any other taunts then don't call that one, espcially since that one wasn't as bad as Tate staring at our defense holding the ball out while walking into the endzone.

They called it both ways and made bad calls against both teams which essentially canceled each other out. They got it right at the end of the game on the squib kick and on the review of ND's first touchdown.

This game was decided by the play on the field and it came down to two evenly matched teams and the team who made the last big play was going to win the game, and fortunately for Michigan, Tate to Matthews was the last big play of the game.

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September 12th, 2009 at 8:20 PM
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I wonder what the backlash will be for Weiss?

I imagine a new billboard will be put up talking about his "intern" year

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September 12th, 2009 at 8:40 PM
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Officiating Crew

Anyone know what conference they were from?

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September 12th, 2009 at 8:51 PM
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Big east

Big east

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September 12th, 2009 at 9:11 PM
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No, I'm positive it was Big

No, I'm positive it was Big 10

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September 12th, 2009 at 9:31 PM
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ND's post game show said it

ND's post game show said it was announced on the radio as Big East. Either way I am also very interested in their affiliation. Big east officials have screwed us out of games before.

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September 12th, 2009 at 10:24 PM
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At the beginning of the game,

At the beginning of the game, they said that the refs were from the Big 10. Did anybody else see this?

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September 13th, 2009 at 12:23 AM
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They were definitely Big Ten.

They were definitely Big Ten.

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September 13th, 2009 at 12:24 AM
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Lemonnier is a Big Ten ref,

Lemonnier is a Big Ten ref, 15 year vet.

http://www.usafootball.com/articles/displayArticle/6541/6928

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September 13th, 2009 at 12:35 AM
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thanks for the clarification

thanks for the clarification guys

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September 12th, 2009 at 11:25 PM
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I think the refs sucked both

I think the refs sucked both ways. I don't think they decided the game though.

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September 12th, 2009 at 9:14 PM
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Don't forget Floyd making catches on meaningless passes...

...I just don't get why a big time receiver like that would put his body at risk and eventually injure himself catching passes that have no bearing on the game. Just stay on your feet, come to halt, and let the ball fall where it may out-of-bounds.

Floyd's injury may have cost ND the game, he may have put himself out for the season, and he may have altered the course of his career just for the sake of making one meaningless catch.

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September 12th, 2009 at 9:17 PM
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Disagree. You give it your

Disagree. You give it your all every play because you never know when that last inch will be what wins it for you. He wasn't more than a foot OOB. Once you let up, you don't get that edge back.

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September 12th, 2009 at 9:21 PM
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Great reply

that is how u play football........ by laying it on the line every down

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September 12th, 2009 at 9:21 PM
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We'll have to agree to disagree...

Floyd should have such good field awareness and body perception at this point in his career that he doesn't take on unnecessary risk.

I also thought it was interesting that Clausen let the 3 or 4 passes leading up to the Floyd injury drift out of bounds. That seems like too many in a row for a third year starter.

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September 12th, 2009 at 9:31 PM
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Floyd is only a sophomore.

Floyd is only a sophomore.

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September 12th, 2009 at 11:32 PM
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I was pretty clearly referring to Clausen, who is a junior.

I was clearly referring to Clausen, who is a junior.

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September 13th, 2009 at 12:01 AM
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"Floyd should have such good

"Floyd should have such good field awareness and body perception at this point in his career that he doesn't take on unnecessary risk."

Again, Floyd is a sophomore.

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September 12th, 2009 at 9:36 PM
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Floyd's injury did not cost

Floyd's injury did not cost ND this game, there were many key points in this game where ND could have put it away with sound execution, and each time UM out willed them.

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September 12th, 2009 at 9:19 PM
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Really?

I would be awfully surprised if those weren't Big Ten refs, since M was the home team.

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September 12th, 2009 at 10:37 PM
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Hahaha

oh my these message boards wreak of sweet sweet victory. ahahahaha

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September 13th, 2009 at 12:20 AM
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posted in wrong spot

posted in wrong spot

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September 13th, 2009 at 12:36 AM
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lol...

The Irish boards are dodging around the quote by the Irish defender that call Michigan "stupid" to play true freshman QB's. That guy has just got to feel like an idiot.

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