NCAA: Yea, we make this $hit up as we go

NCAA is a joke.  Let's start our own association!

The Collegiate National Association of College Athletics

Sounds perfect.

edited for Derp! and spelling

or CACA.

we have this, the McNair (USC assistant coach) case, and the Shabazz Muhammad case at UCLA (where the NCAA allegedly decided what they were going to decide beforehand).

Nice "police force" the NCAA has these days.  What a zoo.

with the $s for Ss? I don't like it. It makes me think of those annoying people who write "O$U" all the time.

And yes, the NCAA sucks.

"Former NCAA enforcement staff members worked with the criminal defense attorney for Nevin Shapiro to improperly obtain information for the purposes of the NCAA investigation through a bankruptcy proceeding that did not involve the NCAA."

So, they gathered all this potentially beautiful evidence with which they might have been able to decimate Miami and/or select personnel that they in fact cannot use now. Way to go, NCAA. I wonder if Miami is thinking to itself, "That's a great case that you no longer have...good luck with that."

that I giggled a little at the article title on the ESPN frontpage?

"Miami allegations to wait as NCAA probes itself"

I'm sure there are plenty of folks who would love the NCAA to go "probe" themselves

RE: the sanctions Miami has imposed on itself.  The bowl bans are pretty steep, and while the NCAA has been busy tripping over itself, the U actually got something done.

Strange days we live in when MIAMI shows more integrity and efficiency than the governing body of collegiate sports.  Not saying they are perfect, but Jesus NCAA . . .

Miami should get away with years of rampant rule breaking just because of a technicality?? No one really believes Miami is innocent in all of this.

When I read the article i thought that the NCAA actually found some actual evidence of wrong doing and when they realized that this might....just might...require them to actually do something they shit themselves.  

They remind me of Sargent Shultz of the old Hogan's Hero's TV show.  

Because their agents reviewed too much information. Apparently they were just suppose to ignore that under oath deposition.

They might as well just admit they have no power to investigate anything and let program run amok since that is essentially what is happening anyway.

I have been seeing a lot of criticism regarding the NCAA.  So, is there any proposition as to how they should conduct themselves differently?  Would we be better off not affiliated with the NCAA?  And, if so, how would that work?  I'm not saying I support the NCAA or that I don't, it's just I see a lot of criticism but not many suggestions.  What's the alternative?  I had this argument with a family member over Christmas and the only thing I could come up with is I wasn't ready to see college players payed and I thought their compensation was enough.  She thought college players should be not considered students and more like staff, but limited this to football and basketball.  Maybe this is outside the scope of this thread, but I'm just sort of curious what the alternative is or what are ways the NCAA could improve?

Explain to me the conflict of interest in the case.  NCAA receives a bill from Scumbag Debtor’s lawyer for having asked questions that benefited the NCAA at a bankruptcy proceeding.  Assuming that there was even a client/attorney relationship between the lawyer and the NCAA (she could have been sending a bill because she is delusional), I can see the issue with retaining counsel in a bankruptcy case to ask questions while at the same time that counsel also represents the debtor.  That’s a potential conflict, but one more centered on the lawyer who is dumb enough to take on both clients than the NCAA who asked for the arrangement.  It seems more dumb-verging-on-shady on the NCAA's part than fraudulent (and I'd be more worried for the lawyer who thought she could represent both clients at the same time).  Is the more abhorrent conflict the fact that the NCAA might have paid the legal bills in an unrelated legal proceeding for the accuser in the investigation, giving the accuser the incentive to sing whatever song the NCAA wants him to sing?  That sounds more serious.     

And as for gathering and using information from a bankruptcy proceeding, what would have stopped the NCAA from hiring some non-conflicted lawyer to either (i) sit in on the deposition/2004 exam/341 meeting, or (ii) even ask questions at that meeting?  Isn’t bankruptcy essentially a public process?  I can sit in on a day's worth of 341 meetings and find out all sorts of awesome stuff about people's financial lives.  Worse comes to worse, counsel for the debtor (if they are awake…which isn’t always the case) could have asked the NCAA “And how are you a creditor in this case and/or entitled to ask questions here again?”.  But if I remember correctly, 2004 exams, 341 hearings and the like are open to all “parties in interest” which is pretty damn vague.  Someone who knows this stuff better than me fill me in on what I'm obviously missing.     

(God…I just defended the NCAA.  Must.  Wash.  Hands….) 

HAHA

Hypocritical Association of Hypothetical Acedemics

Won't improve until it in its entirety is closely observed by a judicial system that holds it accountable for the decisions it makes. Currently they have nothing as far as subpoena power, and they basicly work off of goodfaith with the universities. This alows for dishonest schools to sweep a lot of dirt under the rug as long as someone doesn't blow the horn. This causes wrongful disciplinary actions that result in millions of dollars lost or gained under faulty information, to a "case by case" basis. That in itself should amount to lawsuites, not just for the money lost/gained, but to make some noise that the NCAA needs some serious reform.