NCAA tourney seeding question?

Submitted by Michigan248 on
My buddy and I had this discussion over breakfast this morning. With a win/loss today would you prefer a 1 seed in the east or a 2 seed in the Midwest? We all know the advantages of being a 1 seed, but a 2 seed in the Midwest has proximity advantages and Wichita St will most likely be the 1 seed in the Midwest.

Yeoman

March 16th, 2014 at 2:14 PM ^

16 teams have gone into NCAA tournaments undefeated.

7 of the 16 won championships.

12 of the 16 went to the Final Four.

The only exceptions: Columbia in '51, St. Bonaventure in '68, Marquette in '71, Indiana in '75. There's not much evidence here that an undefeated record is a burden.

 

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dinsdale613

March 16th, 2014 at 11:57 AM ^

i would rather have the number 1 seed, without a doubt. You get a much easier path and with Michigan in the east, they will have a huge alumni base to support them.

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RobM_24

March 16th, 2014 at 12:21 PM ^

A #1 seed might not be the greatest thing this year. There have been some very talented, underachieving teams that will probably be playing in the #8vs#9 games. I really don't see a big difference between a #1, #2, or even a #3. I'll take location. Being the best #2 could have advantages.

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bronxblue

March 16th, 2014 at 12:22 PM ^

I'd honestly prefer a #2 seed that doesn't match UM up against teams like Louisville, Iowa/Oregon, etc., which is what it would likely be in the Midwest.  I guess the #1 seed in the East looks good, but it's a tricky situation.  I guess just win and see what happens.

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MichiganMan1999

March 16th, 2014 at 12:37 PM ^

I want the one-seed either way they're going to start in Milwaukee or Buffalo and having the next two in New York is pretty much the same as Indy because of the Michigan alumni base in NYC

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Tate

March 16th, 2014 at 12:38 PM ^

It sounds like if we drop to a 2, Nova could regain the 1 and we would be the 2 in that bracket. I would like that, especially if Ok St is in the 8/9 game.

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Bambi

March 16th, 2014 at 12:48 PM ^

I've never understood the argument that we should want a 2 seed in WSU's region instead of a 1.

1 seeds make the FF and win the tournament at a significantly higher rate than 2 seeds. It's just a plain easier path.

Even ignoring that, the reason everyone wants to be in Wichita State's region is because they think WSU is overrated. But if we were a 2, we wouldn't play them until the Elite Eight. And if they are so overrated, then who says they're not already beaten by the Elite Eight? Then we're playing some hot, under-seeded 4 seed like us last year, which I wouldn't look forward to.

And by the way, I don't think WSU is overrated. They're not the #1 team in the country, but I do think they are a very good team and could definitely win it all.

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Indonacious

March 16th, 2014 at 1:00 PM ^

I agree with this entirely. I think people are forgetting the road to the elite 8 and just looking at the 1 or 2 seed. Fact is 1 seeds have friendlier brackets than 2 seeds and that is reflected by historical results, which show 1 seeds performing better than you would expect based on being slightly better teams than 2 seeds.

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B-Nut-GoBlue

March 16th, 2014 at 2:09 PM ^

Well put Bambi.  I also agree with this.  I've mentioned it in threads before but this year seems particularly full of teams from the 2-5 seeds lines that are going to be dangerous as all hell.  I mean, every year there are teams from the 3 or 4-seed lines that are dangerous but this year has many, many teams underachieving at times and racking up losses that drops them to a "lower" high seed.  Kansas, Lousiville, UNC, Michigan St., Villanova, Creighton, Kentucky, Duke, Iowa St., Oklahoma St. at an even higher seed, Baylor, Cincinnatti, etc.  Hell, how's it going to feel for the possbile 7-seed who has to play Iowa at a 10-seed!?

We freak out over matchups we think will happen and half the time it doesn'teven work out that way.  It's March Madness, and it's fun, we just need to take deep breaths more often and let the Bracket come out and go from there.  We emphasize a lot of this seed/region talk a bit much,

I also this the Shockers are a damn good team can see them in the Final 4, again.  Why they get looked down upon so much baffles me.

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samdrussBLUE

March 16th, 2014 at 1:08 PM ^

2 or a 1- I don't care. I want the most favorable region. The top seeds in each region don't meet until elite 8. At that point, teams are going to be good. Get me in a region where I feel best about the matchups with the 3 through 5 seeds. Simple

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ak47

March 16th, 2014 at 2:42 PM ^

I'd rather be a 2 in the east with villanova and virginia than a 2 in the midwest with wichita and louisville as the 1-3's.

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Mr. Yost

March 16th, 2014 at 3:00 PM ^

I just wanna beat State. If we are a number 1, we'll be one of the poorest #1s in recent memory. We're truly a 3 seed...there just isn't a clear 4th #1. We're the best of the rest and someone has to take it...but we're not a "real" #1.

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Kinda Blue

March 16th, 2014 at 3:24 PM ^

It seems to me the committee can give the 1 seed to UM if we win (with UVA as the 2 in the East) and give UVA the 1 seed if we lose (and us the 2 seed in the East), allowing the committee to keep the rest of the bracket the same.

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Yeoman

March 16th, 2014 at 3:58 PM ^

The constraint is no conference matchups in the half-regions. Once you do that the other B1G and ACC teams in the region are misplaced.

It's not as easy as it sounds. It's not so bad if you're doing it at home on your computer, but you have to get a whole committee to buy in and you've only got half an hour. Either they've already worked up two brackets now and they're waiting for the result to know which one to go with, or they've already fixed the ones. I'm betting on the latter, it's consistent with how they've operated in the past.

"Why did X still deserve a Y seed even though they lost the B1G/SEC conference championship game?" or "Why didn't X move up after winning etc. etc."

"We looked at their whole body of work blah blah blah."

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