NCAA Tournament Open Thread
But do we match up better with one of these squads if we were to advance and get them the next game?
I feel like Marquette is a better matchup than Syracuse, although I don't have a firm reason for that other than that Syracuse's zone just seems tricky to negotiate.
I had the same question. While I think the 2-3 zone of Syracuse is pretty scary, I think have the right kind of team to beat it. We have pretty good perimeter shooting, with a lot of guys that can shoot the long jumper. We have a couple good slashers that can cut through the zone, especially GRIII. Also, a week to prepare for the 2-3 zone would help a lot.
That being said... I still think we would probably have a better shot against Marquette.
EDIT: How did I double-post three minutes apart?
It's OK to root for a team from Kansas today.
I'd rather see Marquette. I just don't want to face that zone...look what it did to Indiana who has a similar offense to ours
Yea, but our coach isn't Tom Cream. I would trust Beilein to have us prepared in a potential game with Cuse.
I was kind of thinking the same thing, but, at the same time, the last time we played a system defense, we picked it apart and dominated them thoroughly.
Was going for Syracuse when I had a nice unique Final Four of Wichita St., Cuse, Duke, and Kansas. Now that that Kansas team lost to that Michigan team my bracket that could have been something special is dead, go Marquette. Torn on "rooting" for Ohio, I'd still kind of like to see Wichita St. in the Final 4.
F MY BRACKET IN IT"S FACE BECAUSE MICHIGAN IS IN THE ELITE 8!!!!
If they win it sets up Michigan-Florida where Michigan can eliminate me, or if Florida wins I'm still alive (and winner if Louisville wins). So a consolation prize.
So of course Wichita State will win, and then Michigan won't even win tomorrow. (And Duke will win to go for the trifecta of suck).
And who let him sit so close to Obama?
Show up to the "President's Suite" like you do for every other NCAA Tournament came and Obama is sitting in there.
He was sitting in the corner like no one was going to notice him.
So if Mich doesn't win it all I'm hoping for 'Cuse to win it and then have their season vacated due to the ongoing investigation. Because F the NCAA and their BS multi-year investigations.
I feel like Marquette needs to actually start taking some of these perimeter jumpers. Clearly trying to get into the lane is not working.
Yeah, i've seen them pass up on tons of semi-open to open looks. They've got to start taking those or they will continue to not have one field goal in 10+ minutes
Marquette's new game plan: make some shots
Not only to avoid the zone but mainly because Syr is a MUCH more talented team offensively and a better rebounding team.Also McGary would have more success vs Marq.
I just want to be in the game. Both teams are underwhelming but have unorthodox strengths. Syracuse runs that zone, Marquette specializes in making the game ugly.
They're both succeeding right now.
I feel like we could shoot over the zone and Trey could penatrate it...but Syracuse is the better offensive team.
I feel like we could match Marquettes bigs with McGary and Morgan, but it would be like playing MSU again.
In the end, just survive and advance. It's not supposed to be easy in the Final 4.
I hope he's ok.
This has the feel of one of those games where the team ahead throughout the first half fails to deliver the knockout punch and ends up getting dominated in the second. Syracuse should be up by a lot more than 3 right now.
Ok, now I see why MU wasn't doing perimeter shooting. They're apparently terrible at it.
...this is painful to watch.
I feel like I'm watching a regular Big East Conference game at noon on ESPN2 in January. Nothing about this game says March Madness, Elite 8 or NCAA Tournament.
That was an awful half of basketball. I feel like we'd just need to get to 60 against these teams, even with our subpar defense.
We want Marquette to win
I just think I would rather play the team that hasn't been looking unsolvable on defense since both can be inept offensively.
conference, along with the floor they're playing on...
Hope the second half is more compelling basketball.
The Trey Burke-Mitch McGary 2013 NCAA Dynamic Duo® is tailor made for that scheme.
BTW, it turns out that Dickie V might be the most accurate ESPN commentator. He alone predicted us to make the Final Four. Three of his four teams (UM, OSU, Louisville and IU) are still alive.
Ok, so MU is shooting 7% from 3 (1-13), and 25% overall. Is this a product of Syracuse's D or are they just shooting shitty tonight. I mean, it's not like MU is getting wide open looks all the time, but I feel like they're just blowing a lot of decent shot opportunities.
If I remember correctly they're generally a pretty terrible shooting team. This isn't a good matchup for them. Edit: Though they did beat SU earlier this year...
34th in the country, 46%. So, they're shooting half their normal clip tonight. Awful.
I was thinking more about their 30.5% 3 Pt shooting. I think they're more of a cutting and close to the basket scoring team (though I wouldn't even know where to look to confirm that).
Crazy thing I just read about Kansas:
Kansas has been a #1 seed 10 times since 1992. That's 10 out of 22 seasons.
Of those 10 times as a #1 seed, Kansas has:
Won the title 1 time
Lost in the Final Four 1 time
Lost in the Regional Final 2 times
Lost in the Sweet 16 3 times
Lost in the 2nd round 3 times
That is pretty staggering underachievement. OK, winning it all is hard, but only two Final Fours in 10 times as a #1 seed?
And they were very fortunate to win the one title. It was pretty much a mirror image of our game yesterday - Memphis bricked some FTs and KU hit a three to send it into OT.
This is just plain ugly. Wake me up when the game is done....
A Wisconsin game?
Somehow it's worse...
Must be all the cheese, brats, and beer.
What the hell is wrong with college basketball in the state of Wisconsin
The Wisconsin diet isn't very conductive to intense physical activity.
(EDIT: MEZman beat me to it.)
My reply was supposed to go here but I replied to the wrong one... glad you stepped up to the plate.
First to 40 wins?
Could be. I'm honestly not sure MU could win even if Syracuse doesn't score again.
Yeah, I don't think MU understands that when you shoot, it's supposed to go through the basket. Hitting the metal around the basket doesn't even count for half points. Of if it did, MU would be winning by quite a bit.
Mind-blowing to think that the selection committee thought Marquette was better than us. They have looked like a steaming pile of crap for large portions of this tournament. Their Sweet 16 game was their only good performance out of four.
We finished on a slide, and that's what was fresh in the committee's mind. Plus, honestly, without the emergence of McGary, we wouldn't have gotten this far.
Didn't we just get through the best defensive team in college ball and put 87 points on them? Florida is good but we match up much better against them. What do you think?
man, how much less interesting can it get? The only reason I'm still watching is for my personal scouting of a potential opponent.
Orangemen would be tougher but I think we can shoot better than these last 2 teams they've played, I mean Indiana looked down right intimidated and un-athletic as hell against them.
I don't think athleticism will be a problem for us and I know a Trey led team sure in the hell ain't gonna be intimidated by anyone.
need to get checked after the game, they might be bent from all the MU clanking, sheesh.
Ding ding ding. I believe we have a "winner."
OSU likely wins tonight, but in typical OSU fashion. Meaning, by a dramatic 3-pointer that is not as nearly as cool as Trey's was last night.
lol, at the SU guy almost dropping the trophy.
I'm in London and need a U of M pub for the game tomorrow....suggestions
Is that Google map of UM bars still up to date? Otherwise just google it. There are probably more Americans in London than in most American cities, so I'm sure there are options.
Is Gottlieb a coke head? Dude fidgets more than a 4 yr old boy.
I think he's just trying to fight the urge to steal his co-hosts credit cards.
Not that there was duly impressive shooting in the Syracuse-Marquette game, but Marquette managed all of 25.5% for an effective field goal percentage, was only 3-25 from three point range and got lost in Syracuse's defense with 13 turnovers, as well as being the victim of 9 steals. Davante Gardner and Vander Blue were literally 72% of their offense.
2-0, 2 minutes into the game
tomorrows games will probably be way more enjoyable to watch. This game looks like it'll be a bore as well, even if it's close, might be time for a siesta.
If you add Marquette's score to the OSU-WSU loser's score will it add up to a respectable amount of points? Stay tuned to find out.
Edit: of course as soon as I say that they start bombing threes because...
press conference replay on BTN right now for anyone interested
Please someone kill that wichita st person that is whistling straight into the microphone.
And I see I'm not alone in my annoyance.
Wow...couple of early phantom calls on Wichita St.
Whoever is whistling in the arena is incredibly annoying.
OSU shooting terribly to start. Unfortunately, Wichita has only been SLIGHTLY better...
On that "tie up" he clearly had the dude's arm. It's getting a bit ridiculous with the defensive hype. All the bumping, hand checking, and grabbing would be fouls against anyone else. He is annoying.
Because you touch yourself at night.
solely to never hear that whistling ever again.
Shockers gonna shock.
Shockers gonna shock.
I see you feel quite strongly about this. Bucks are stinking up the joint
I would love to see a Louisville v Michigan Final
I need a Wichita win to keep my bracket alive and then for us to beat Louisville in the title game. So I'm all about the shockers today, B1G allegiance be damned.
in that case, I hope you win your pool. All M fans will be rooting for you to be a prophet while you profit!!!
OSU has a better chance tonight walking away with a quality education, than winning right now.
Ohio seems determined to prove to the world that its road to the Final Four is not a cakewalk.
Craft has the range of a 5 year old girl tonight.
Ohio seems like a team that Louisville or Duke playing like they are right now would beat by about 20.
I know they are called the shockers but a final 4 seems a bit much. Bad time for Ohio to return to their struggles on offense.
Couple things, did anyone see Amir Williams bean that cheerleader in the face with a block? And then a few seconds later, Thad Matta awkwardly brushed the hair out of his eyes, but his hair is 8 inches away from his eyes.
Rooting for the Bucks, but I do have a soft spot for anyone wearign rec specs in the court
McGary would go for 30 against Wichita State. Hall helps weak side so much it would kill them.
Ohio looking horrible...Duke or Louisville should crush whoever comes out of this crapfest (if both teams play the way they are right now)
This is the worst that OSU has looked in weeks, possibly months. Gotta expect Matta to get his guys going in the second half. There's no way they can shoot only 25% for the entire game is there?
shooting some desperate ass shots, it amuses me
turned off the Marquette game before this one...
if ohio loses this game?
Bone head foul from Craft. Everyone but the announcers seen that coming.
"but that's not a foul in the B1G", exactly Aaron, exactly
hand checking is a foul
Another stupid foul from OSU.
That was a like a personal, man.
and then stupid fouls. They need half time to get their heads back on.
Miller is clearly cheering for Ohio.
Every time I look over at the screen Wichita State is packing some shot in the lane from Ohio State. This is getting ridiculous.
If Thomas or Craft picks up a 3rd early in the 2nd they are in trouble. yet another dumb Ohio foul.
Exchanging mind-numbingly stupid fouls on both ends.
Thomas is acting like as ass trying to show up the officals.
are a little all over the place. but that's what ohio gets for choking on their cake
That was a foul? Ohio ought to be irate.
After that call I'd be going off on the officials too. Can't blame him at all.
That was not a foul on Ravenel. I'm not even certain what the ref saw that would make him think it was.
They are resigning this game over on 11W. Pretty sweet lurking over there.
Consider all the garbage Ohio got away with in the Big10 they are due to have some calls go against them.
considering they don't like college basketball, these are two of the worst games you're gonna see. disgusting basketball.
And they look like ass for the first time in 2 months. Typical Buckeyes.
coach k, i'm not so sure that you've watched any michigan games if you think louisville has by far the best two guards in the country...
Craft and Scott have combined for 11 shots, almost all of them jumpers. That is a bad recipe for OSU. At least Thompson hasn't taken a shot.
Even the cheerleaders from Wichita State look better than Ohio State
I gotta say, Ohio doesn't look like they're gonna make a comeback...just plain ugly basketball
I think not calling a flagrant was the right call there.
Ohio's lineup is once again looking like DT and 4 lil sisters of the poor - Snap out of it bucks, we need atleast 2 BIG teams in the final 4.
Why? I'd be fine being the only B1G team in Atlanta.
As would eye. Seeing the Ohio go down to the Shockers would be awesome.
Ya, but what does your nose think about the B1G? Or your mouth? It seems unfair to let your eye make the decision for everyone.
I'm sure they're exhausted after the gauntlet they went through to get here. Amazing performance to get this far
Not sure if sarcasm or not
Clearly sarcasm...nobody could be that out of it
Well, looks like my dreams of an all big-ten final four are dead...eh well, the one team that matters is still around :)
I had an all B1G final 4 in all my brackets with UM beating MSU for the title.
Craft is not getting away with anything in this game
God forbid the refs call fouls on Craft.
I know Osu is used to the big ten but jeez these calls are terrible
Everything's coming up Millhouse!
20 point lead for Wichita State. Wow
Even if the refs told both coaches that they were only going to call fouls on wichita from here on out, I still don't think ohio would have a chance.
Also, we can forget the talk of the B1G in basketball being comparable to the SEC in football. Not even close. We're a great conference but not that dominant (as evidenced by play in the tourney)
Well if Michigan wins it you might still be able to make the comparison. As evidenced by this year, outside of Alabama and Texas A&M, the SEC did not look like world beaters in their bowl games. They were very close to going 0-3 against the B1G.
But I digress, and see your point.
SEC SEC SEC SEC
Looks like an entire season's worth of bad calls for OSU are gonna be made up against them in this game
Time to tally up the pool points and call it a Tourney night.
I've seen Michigan, Ohio State. You're no Michigan.
What was the KenPom rating for OSU-WSU?
This is like watching Appalachian State beat the 2007 Wolverines. The Shockers can do no wrong. Every call, every bounce, every break.
IU,Sparty or Ohio? I can't decide.All 3 were convincing.
Ohio's not dead yet
Games not over, pal. Lot of basketball left to be played.
But this would be pretty damn gratifying.
They all have their merits, but a friend of mine has been calling Ohio the "Team of Destiny" after narrow wins over lower-seeded teams. So this would be nice.
Were you trying for the reverse jinx?
That looked bad, but him walking off is a good sign.
I didn't see him walking off. that's good to hear. Hope he is okay
So basically Ohio digs itself a huge hole and now two of their opponent's best players are now out helping to open the door? Sounds about right.
That kid is probably done for the year. Sucks considering they're going to the final four
when you shoot 24% overall and 2-15 from the 3.
Flopping by ohio
The Buckeyes are still at a sub-30% effective field goal percentage and offensive rebounding percentage of an astonishing 9.1% compared to the Shockers' 40.0%
At this point, if someone lit a fire under the Buckeyes in the locker room at halftimes, it seems to have only destroyed the paper products in the room. Of course, there are a bit under 10 minutes to go yet.
Not trusting Ohio a bit. Far from over!
Woah first look that was a travel.
God, the rest of this game is going to take forever...
fouls calls against Wichita.
Bucknuts going to go on a run... just feel it coming. Will have it under 10 by 6mins.
Yep, refs have gone crazy OSU here
Wow, Witchita is braking down here
Ohio getting gift calls.
Even if OSU can pull out a miracle here, this team has looked tired and even bored. Either Duke or UL would club them.
But they clearly don't deserve even a final four
Shoudn't get to stop play for that.
Ohio has gotten every call in the second half.
These officials are treating Thomas like Zeller. Meanwile the shockers are getting they Carmelo Anthony treatment.
These refs have gone batshit crazy
Crap. Are these guys going to pull a win out of their ass for the third straight game?
And not allowed to ref again in the tournament
One more on Thomas and he is done. Just drive the ball at him every time down the floor.
I'll admit it. I want OSU to stage a come back so the last 5 min of the game are exciting.
the great OSU defense.
These refs are determined to not let anyone touch an opposing player
Van Fleet is an awesome name.
Jesus these refs are determined to ruin this half aren't they?
If Ohio State manages to win this game tonight, the only silver lining I think there could be is that their luck would have to run out against Duke or Louisville, especially if they come out as flat then as they did tonight.
That would make three straight games of pulling a win out of your ass, in the tournament no less.
Louisville-Duke winner will turn the winner of this game into roadkill.
You eventually choke on one.
ran into refs who call everything.40 fouls combined in Ariz game and 37 so far today.
Not gonna lie. I do love the thought of buckeye nation praying that their team can be like Michigan.
At least Kansas had some history of stupid mistakes and we we're playing pretty well on offesne, so most of us had hope. But this seems it would require a much bigger choke job on the part of WSU.
Wow. That was just bullshit.
That last foul was imaginary. No contact at all.
Wichita needs a hoop bad right here
Holy fuck, this is a huge choke job
They're still fighting.
This last 4 minutes is gonna take 3 and a half hours
Wow. One of the guy cheerleaders for wsu looks like he got in between a sparty with a match and his couch last night. Either that or he got hit by a car there in LA.
Edit: for the record, I wasn't trying to say he's ugly, he's a perfectly normal looking dude with a nasty looking shiner and he's all swollen and bruised...
what a goofy looking dude
I feel like the refs are aware Thomas has 4 fouls and are just not calling anything on him anymore.
The shockers are shell shocked...they are and have been playing not to lose this game...
We TOOK our win. Burke made 30' shots. KU gave us nothing more than 1 backcourt violation. They even went 4 of 5 at the line down the stretch. We got no favors...
THIS is a choke job. Wichita St. is pissing down their leg in front of the entire nation. Sure Ohio is making some plays, but the shockers are throwing the ball around everywhere giving them chance after chance.
But that one miss was pretty big, they didn't fall on the ball and let GRIII have that putback, and then there was whatever the hell they were doing on their last play. Not to mention not scoring to let us close after being down 14. They gagged a little too.
If Wisconsin ever had these refs the entire team would foul out.
By craft to open that up.
Ohio State is not Michigan. They don't have the scorers to come back in this.
But Ohio has these refs
it would just be like ohio state to out shine our comeback..
Not sure if serious. 9 seed versus 1 seed. Ohio state came back wi 10 minutes left, we came back 10 down with 2 minutes left.
I can't see Wichita St. closing this out now. What a collapse
Wow, Wichita state is going to blow this game
I can't even be mad about miracle comebacks
Refs can not not blow the whistle.
What happened to the Wichita offense?
Wichita State's body language is horrible. They're bracing for the inevitable now.
Is OSU the team of destiny? (gag)
Jeebus, Wichita State. You were up by 20. Don't blow this.
This is unreal. Where's Ted Valentine?
This is one of the all time biggest collapses I've ever seen. Ohio State is having the Final Four spoon-fed to them on a silver platter.
with 2:30 to go.
I honestly gave up and turned this game off about fifteen minutes ago. I'm all in for Ohio now.
Holy refs. I think Ohio has shot 17 free throws this half alone.
This officiating is a travesty.
This officiating is a travesty.
This is seriously one of the worst games I've ever seen officiated. And normally refs don't bother me.
Wichita St. need to take it to Thomas. He's the only reason OSU is still in this.
Wichita State Chokers
Or go home.
Is there any data on whether "momentum" exists? Is a team that is on a run objectively more likely than their opponent to score next? I know that game-to-game momenum is pretty overrated, but what about within a game?
I think you watched the perfect example of momentum last night. But this right here isn't momentum as much as it is a choke. Not the same situation.
Also, shame on you and your question for bringing to mind Roundtree being tackled at the 1 @ Illinois.
BIG offensive rebound for the Shockers.
That was ridiculous by Van Vleet
Wichita got lucky craft took that shot...wowo
Reggie Miller calling for more fouls.
Ice water in the vains on those free throws
OSU dug too deep a hole
If Ohio wins, I blame it on the people who were searching the internet for Buckeye schadenfreude with 10 minutes to go.
...if they had Trey Burke.
Shockers up 6 with 41 seconds to play.
are a little tense right about now.
6 second differential in shot clock and game. Burn every dang second.
OSU will get a TO or foul n the first five seconds of the shot clock.. They are down two posessions and assuming Wichita State doesn't completely derp it up probably three.
This last minute is gonna take 5 mins. Wonder if the Shockers can shoot FTs?
You would think Wichita State would have better designed inbounds play coming off a time out?
All I can say is neither team deserves to win this game
Wichita State has to burn 2 timeouts while trying to inbound. Could be huge.
God Witchita St just looks terrible right now
Even if Wichita wins this, this is an all-time choke job
Wichita State has better looking fans too.
Terrible missed layup, but ermahgerd that shot block!
That was a weird sequence
on here, I can't stomach to turn the game on.
And the hopes of the Big Ten rides with Michigan.
Stop saying this. It's not over. Holy shit.
If Ohio comes back now they will top our comeback. Haha
Beating a 9 seed MVC team doesn't top beating a #1 Kansas.
I agree. See my comment above earlier. I'm saying if they come back seven down in 9 seconds.
Holy shit. Both teams are really trying to lose aren't they?
Craft can only hit threes in the last 10 seconds.
Shockers hit 1 of 2 FTs, Craft drills a quick 3, 70-66 with 6.8 seconds left.
bejeesh. can't believe witchita missed that layup. thats rough. took tons of time off in that sequence though.
I have a 2 year old, which is how I know that your avatar is AWESOME.
i don't care if its intended for 2 year olds. best. book. ever.
Stupid buckeyes. Try to be all dramatic & shit, but don't you know that 14 points is the optimal hole depth to dig yourself out of??? Try and out-do Burke with 20 and this is what you get.
Now hit your damn free throws!
Down by four on defense with seven seconds left and one of the anouncers actually went on and on about why OSU has to foul.
And then he came back and worried about Wichita State getting a ten second violation in a game with secen seconds left. That was clutch anouncing, right there.
The Buckeyes LOSE!
Suck it Ohio!
I love all these nervous WSU fans. Up 4 with 4 seconds and you're shooting free throws. There is nothing to be nervous about.
That game was so painful to watch
So all the hopes for the Big Ten not being labeled as overrated lie on our shoulders now
How did that shocker feel Buckeyes?!
And yes, I'm 12. I couldn't resist.
Give Thad Matta this: he actually gave a real handshake.
Damn ohio...can't even help my bracket out.
Never trust a Buckeye.
TEARS OF UNFATHOMABLE BUCKEYE SADNESS!!!
last Big Ten team left. Go Blue or Go Home!
Wichita State vs. Louisville/Duke.
All I'm going to say is, I like the outcome. I hate Ohio.
Holy shit that was the biggest choke job I've ever seen. So many unforced errors and terrible shooting down the stretch. Passing the ball back to the inbounder whose still out if bounds? Holy shit. That was just a terrible terrible display if basketball by all involved. Especially the refs. Everything was a foul until they realized everyone had 4 fouls, then nothing was. Ridiculous.
See ya Ohio. I'm sorry but I'm not the guy "routing for the big ten." The sooner teams like Indiana , staee, and Ohio could fail, the better. Go Blue!
I'm the honorary only-person-on-mgoblog-upset-about-this. I've spent too many bowl seasons getting mocked, and wated some basketball redemption for the conference.
Don't worry - Michigan can carry the torch.
Given the easiest road to the Final Four and still can't make it
Filled with horrible basketball I'll never get back.
Bend over? You're not doing it right...
In any event, OSU took it. And took it hard.
Ohio State just lost to a team from Kansas not named Kansas.
“Ohio has the easiest path…” has been posted sooo many times on this board.
Whelp. Ohio was gifted one of the easiest paths to the final four I can remember and pissed it away. Not that I'm complaining or anything.
One of the brackets I filled out online (with the help of the GF's account). And I'm completely content because last night was incredible...duh
If link doesn't work, it's the 92nd ranked bracket on ESPN. It has Kansas in the championship game, though (losing to Duke)...Only a dumbass (me) would have picked that. I'm finding this cool as I'll never have a top 100 bracket ever again so sorry if inane to everyone else.
THE Wichita State University
was a major factor in the outcome. OSU shot better for the 2 and made more free throws, but going 5 for 25 for three is craptastic. Wichita was a much more respectable 8 for 20.
I have 1 team left in my 1st bracket--Michigan
I have 2 teams left in my 2nd--Wichita State and Louisville
They do NOT regret not giving Burke a scholarship they said. Crafts the better better player they said....
You know who else got turned away because they "didn't have room?"
I didn't make it past the first sentence. The back handed compliment is unwelcome here.
Crafts going to be a brain surgeon. Burkes just going to be the next Chris Paul. Good choice by you and coach Mott-ahh. Thanks for over looking the better player. Enjoy your brain surgeon. In euro- ball.