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November 1st, 2012 at 12:41 PM
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NCAA releases 2014 regional sites (Hockey)

Your 2014 regional sites are

Worcester, MA (Northeast)
Bridgeport, CT (East)
Cincinnati (Midwest) - US Bank Arena (where Michigan won the '96 title)
St Paul (West) - Xcel Center

I don't know all of the ins-and-outs of this, but the NCAA freakin loves putting regionals in Worcester, Bridgeport, and St Paul. It seems like they're there almost every year. I'm not sure why Michigan and New York state don't host more since Michigan has 7 D1 teams and New York has 10. However, I should say that these regionals will probably not be empty caverns of emptiness.

H/T: USCHO
 

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November 1st, 2012 at 12:43 PM
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Rusty Shackleford
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They don't care

The NCAA could change a lot of things and make money off hockey, but they never do. It makes me assume that they just don't care.

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November 1st, 2012 at 12:48 PM
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Amount of money to make off

Amount of money to make off hockey <<< money already being made from basketball and football.

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November 1st, 2012 at 12:57 PM
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But those two things are not

But those two things are not mutually exclusive, are they?

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November 1st, 2012 at 1:02 PM
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The NCAA...

makes nothing off of football, save some licensing fees from EA. Also, like the guy above said, just because Boeing's space division makes a ton of money doesn't mean they're going to take a loss on a 747 for no reason.

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November 1st, 2012 at 2:37 PM
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I guess in my head I compare

I guess in my head I compare as Boeing's space division to the Boeing division that makes the toys of the space shuttle that are sold in gift shops. Even in a perfect situation, hockey just doesn't have the viewers to make similar order of magnitudes of money.

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November 1st, 2012 at 2:51 PM
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Only if you believe the NCAA

Only if you believe the NCAA makes money off of football...which they don't.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Finances/Revenue

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November 1st, 2012 at 3:08 PM
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Yeah, so tell me again how

Yeah, so tell me again how all this money is going to be made from hockey if they aren't making money on football?

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November 1st, 2012 at 3:23 PM
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I don't think you're understanding my posts at all...

Football is not under the NCAA money-making umbrella. The NCAA makes most of its money on the March Madness contracts (mens and womens combine for something like 84% of their revenue), with the rest coming from ticket sales and smaller television contracts for other championship events (i.e. hockey), in addition to some small paycheck from EA to use the NCAA logo in their NCAA Football series.

Nobody is saying the NCAA would make $50b on the hockey championship; what got said was they're leaving money on the table, which isn't really debatable, and definitely isn't smart business-wise.

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November 1st, 2012 at 3:35 PM
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Even if we went along with

Even if we went along with your gift shop analogy, this would be like hiding the gift shop in the back where no one could find it despite there being a great location for it out front.

The gift shop exists to make money, right? Even if it's not funding a space program, might as well make as much off of it as you can. That's what people are saying.

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November 1st, 2012 at 4:54 PM
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We won't ever make football money

But there is still money to be made that we aren't taking. Three NCAA hockey teams make a profit and Michigan is one of them, but think about what it would be like if we grossed 500 thousand instead of 200. That's the difference between a full coaching staff or a coach and a group of volunteers.

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November 1st, 2012 at 1:01 PM
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It's still shitty business

It's still shitty business strategy. Why operate Company X at a loss just because Company Y is doing well. Especially when changing a few things would make both Company X and Company Y profitable

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November 1st, 2012 at 1:05 PM
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I don't why they don't have

I don't why they don't have more regional sites in Michigan and New York, but maybe it's because Minnesota and New England are wrongfully seen as the only American places that love hockey?

I dunno, it's pretty stupid though

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November 1st, 2012 at 1:17 PM
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Has anyone

Has anyone excluded Michigan from places that love hockey?

I typically hear about the 3 "M" states when people cut and slice hockey culture like that.

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November 1st, 2012 at 1:07 PM
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Cincy is fine with me

I travel to Cincy fairly regularly for work, so would be great to see Michigan sent to Cincy for the regionals.

I live in Pittsburgh, so I am already planning to see UM in the finals.

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November 1st, 2012 at 1:27 PM
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Bridgeport and Worcester?

Bridgeport and Worcester?  Geez, might as well add Hartford and Springfield and make this the Frozen Four of Crippling Depression.

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November 1st, 2012 at 1:38 PM
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Isn't St. Paul

almost always sold out?

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November 1st, 2012 at 1:59 PM
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Sold out?

No, the last time the regional was in St Paul, the arena wasn't even half full.  Wisconsin, St Cloud, Northern Michigan and Vermont drew 7300 for the semifinals and 7200 for the final. 

Still more than the other regionals, but not all that much more.

 

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November 1st, 2012 at 2:34 PM
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I think you're thinking of

I think you're thinking of the 2011 Frozen Four, which was packed due to Minnesota-Duluth and the Team Formerly Known as the Fighting Sioux. 

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November 1st, 2012 at 11:33 PM
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You're all wrong. FFs always

You're all wrong. FFs always sell out, but even with Minnesota and North Dakota in St. Paul last year they had less than 10,000 in attendance each day.

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November 1st, 2012 at 1:51 PM
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Rusty Shackleford
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Home site regionals would change everything

If they shifted the format like baseball, the benefits would be huge. That would get rid of games like Michigan vs UNO in an empty building in St. Louis. It has a very negative impact on recruiting.

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November 1st, 2012 at 1:58 PM
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Of course...

that would mean giving the highest seeded teams some type of reward for being the best teams during the regular season. Isn't there some kind of unbreakable NCAA rule about trying to make ones and fours both feel equal, both get gold stickers, ect?

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November 1st, 2012 at 2:04 PM
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Only in hockey.

That's seemingly only true in hockey and Men's basketball.

They don't have a problem in rewarding 1-seeds in field hockey, Men's and Women's soccer, Men's and Women's volleyball, baseball, softball, Men's and Women's lacrosse or Men's and Women's tennis.  I don't know how this "no home sites" mania arose in hockey, but the sooner it disappears the better.

I suspect that I can add it to my list of "NCAA rule changes made specifically because of situations that arose in Michigan games" that I was discussing in another post.

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November 1st, 2012 at 2:11 PM
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Yeah.

For the record, I'm aware that one-seeds in other sports get home advantage (softball is a nice example that you and I have talked about before), that was more of a joke about NCAA hockey's rules than the NCAA at large, which I guess wasn't all that clear since there were two replies.

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November 1st, 2012 at 2:27 PM
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OK.

I should have checked the username before replying; of course you know that other sports have different home site rules.  Sorry to imply otherwise.

 

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November 1st, 2012 at 2:34 PM
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No worries.

Always enjoy what you bring to the table, Alton.

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November 1st, 2012 at 2:05 PM
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No - he already mentioned

No - he already mentioned baseball, which tends to give the best teams home games. With hockey, I'm pretty sure the reluctance to give regionals to the #1 seed has a lot to do with a combination of (a) a lot of teams having multipurpose facilities that won't necessarily be free to host regionals (this is why the B1G tourney switched to neutral sites) and (b) a lot of teams have crappy small arenas and wouldn't be good regional hosts.

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November 1st, 2012 at 2:13 PM
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B...

when this happens in other sports, they just move the regional to a different venue. For example, Cal hasn't been able to host a softball regional (lately, possibly still), so I believe the rule is that Cal would have to find another facility in the immediate area, or it gets shifted to a two seed's home stadium and Cal would play there as a "host".

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November 1st, 2012 at 2:48 PM
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And the 2002 and 2003

And the 2002 and 2003 regionals at Yost are mainly the reason nothing is hosted at campus sites anymore

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November 1st, 2012 at 3:35 PM
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1. The reason they keep

1. The reason they keep picking the same sites out east and with Minnesota is because they hand out regionals based on bids, and if nobody else bids to host those events, the same places keep getting picked.There's just very few places that meet the NCAA's criteria for what they want out of a regional site and have the interest to do so. About the only reason Cincinnati was picked was because they were a new choice.

2. Home sites would be infinitely better. The NCAA's problem is similar to the issue they had with home sites for football; namely the possibility of a team with an inadequate or unavailable arena earning the right to host.

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November 1st, 2012 at 3:42 PM
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What a bunch of crap. Detroit

What a bunch of crap. Detroit needs to get SOMETHING at JLA before tey tear that thing down which is inevitable. No all star game, no draft, no Frozen Four. Cmon man.

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