but it will hurt the game.
I wonder if this isn't all getting out of hand? Unless they are going to do an early signing day...
but it will hurt the game.
I wonder if this isn't all getting out of hand? Unless they are going to do an early signing day...
That would be an excellent way to curtail the madness, and to make it easier on us and end our worries about decommitments. After all, isn't it all about us anyway?
None of the major powers wants an early signing period. It's much easier to steal recruits from smaller schools than have other schools steal from Michigan.
Interesting point. I think the same story applies to complaints that Rodriguez, Meyer, Hoke, etc. are going after other Big Ten school's commitments. They probably are (or were). Why? Because they can. If Tim Beckman (Illinois' football coach) calls up Shane Morris, something tells me that it won't be as productive as Brady Hoke calling up Reon Dawson.
would you like to see it? Age 16? Start of High School? Start of Middle School? Birth? or Conception? Earlier signing date will not solve anything except push the madness forward.
It can hurt us. Recruiting is a zero-sum game. We're harmed by a rule change that benefits other schools more than it benefits Michigan. Based on some of Hoke's talk about technology, I think this generally reduces our recruiting advantage (or increases our disadvantage), though probably not by much.
He has already hired a team of recruiters ready to spam Michigan propaganda to the inbox of every high school football player in America. Grass is green, water is wet, and Michigan football will be just fine.
It CAN hurt us... But I don't think it will. I think Michigan Football has more resources available to it than almost every other program out there. It is at LEAST comparable.
So as long as Michigan is SMART about it, I think the resource advantage that we enjoy shall give us MORE recruiting advantages. Not less.
In fact, wasn't part of this NCAA regulatory overhaul a philosophic statement basically acknowledging that some programs will simply have more resources available than others and to try and equalize for those advantages is beyond the NCAA's mandate? That basically the NCAA wants everything to be fair ON THE FIELD OF PLAY, but off the field, it is open season?
To me, this sounded like the NCAA saying, "Start your engines," to the recruiting powerhouses. Like Michigan. I think it probably comes secondary to the wide distribution of talent across NCAA football that has allowed for Boise State (and even, gulp, Appalachian State) type success stories, but makes the lack of NCAA basketball sized tournaments controversial in choosing national championships. So as the NCAA Div I precipitates into superconferences, the decision of how much to "compensate" the weaker programs in order to artificially boost their abilities to recruit talent thar would otherwise be out of reach, falls to the superconference managers and NOT the NCAA.
Assuming the B1G leaves things deregulated, such that the Marylands and Rutgers recognize that their perks in joining B1G is strictly limited to a share of the network pie, but not an artificial boost in recruiting imposed by NCAA/ B1G recruiting rules to keep the big boys from using their resource advantage, i see this as good for us.
i sure as hell wouldn't like having my phone number out there.. it would be absurd the amount of txt's some of the blue chippers would get.
Does it concern anyone else that not everyone has unlimited texting, and therefore they can be charged a lot for getting 30 texts a day from coaches?
"I appreciate you checking in every meal, Coach Saban, but you gotta cool it a bit. My mom's gonna kill me when she gets the bill this month!"
This sucks for the recruits, who will be deluged even more than they currently are.
What is the motive behind this rule change anyways? Seems like the kids are going to end up hating it. I can see many committing to schools earlier than they should as a result. Coaches will probably hate it because they're going to invest so much time into kids that they have a ~10% chance at landing. SO MUCH TIME. Baby Borgeses, I hope you liked seeing your Dad. In 2014 he might as well be Lennay Kekua because you won't see him anymore.
the potential for violation. If its not a rule it can't be broken.
Monitoring phone, text and everything else was probably becoming a serious expense as well.
Why can't there also be a "do not call" list, in which a prospect can specify which schools cannot contact him. Update it bi-weekly and make it a major violation penalized by one scholarship loss to continually contact any recruit your school cannot contact.
I think this is an excellent idea, the only potential problem being the irrationality of teenagers sometimes. Or helicopter parents ie; the Forcier clan.
I doubt that any schools or coaches would be in favor of it though, it doesn't serve their interest at all. If the rule kept a coach that a particular recruit hated from calling, so what? If that recruit already didn't like the offending coach, they probably wouldn't listen anyhow.
I still think it would be a net postiive for the recruits and their families though, and would like to see somthing like this in effect.
God, this is ridiculous. Now recruiting is just going to be a game of how many times can you call someone. And not to mention that the burnout from coaching could be much higher. I suppose a staff could just target less kids, but harder. It's going to be difficult to keep up with 200 kids. And does the NCAA care about the recruits at all. Big time prospects are going to get like 500 texts a day. Whatever happens, I really hope our staff is ready to "keep up with the Jones". I would hate to see us fall behind other schools that dedicate themselves to living on the phone with recruits.
Well, coaches will have to consider that increased frequency of contact isn't going to necessarily land them a recruit. There's going to be a fine line to walk between making sure you stay uppermost in a recruit's mind and becoming so annoying that he decides not to pick you.
You're right, it could have a negative effect, and the good coaching staffs will be able to feel that out. It will be interesting to see what happens. Maybe it's just my naturally cynical self, but I don't think that's going to happen very much. How many times do we hear news of recruits changing their favorites because a certain schooling is "showing them the love" more? I feel like the kids like Poggi who at most tolerate the recruiting process as it is today are few and far between. We're talking about a bunch of 16-18 year olds who are usually naturally impressionable and getting a ton of attention from huge name coaches. I just think it's going to turn more into an arms race of contacting kids. We may also see more early commitments if kids get sick of it, and then subsequent decommitments as other coaching staffs continue to contact kids. Now staffs are going to have to keep contacting their already committed kids non-stop to keep them committed as well. I do not envy coaching staffs with this one. Probably will see more staffs with dedicated recruiting coordinators as well.
Your two points regarding recruits committing earlier to end/slow the process and larger staffs are exactly what I can see happening.
Frequency of contact hasn't slowed down coaches before. I've heard a couple of stories for the 2013 class where coaches have sent a recruit 100 letters in a day and the recruits haven't been that dissauded. So now, (and since texts are easier to send than letters) I'd expect recruits to get hundreds of texts and emails a day. Its nuts.
Letters are easier to ignore than texts and calls. I'm sure it won't dissuade everyone, but it's certainly a risk coaches will have to consider.
I'd imagine it works it self out much like we do in the business world; we can call anyone as many times as we want but usually let a contact go when we are out of it.
I would imagine that some schools will run the risk of being seen as annoying and hopefully this will regulate itself... Although like I said earlier this all makes sense if they have an early signing day.
I'm sure it will find some equilibrium amoung the recruits who do or do not like the attention and the coaching staffs that do and do not give as much attention. But frankly, the reason I really don't like this rule is because I don't believe it benefits our program like it does others. I can have a rational discussion on the impact of this rule on the lives of high-school athletes and coaching staffs, but I couldn't give two shits about either if this rule would mean UM would win championships every year.
If for some reason our staff has been thinking "if we could contact recruits more, we would have the #1 class every year", then I absolutely love this rule. But I can't help look at the age of our upper level coaches and see the more "old school" additude, and then look to the south at our main rivals' upper level coaches' youth and general additude about recruiting and think this benefits them more. Maybe (hope) I'm wrong. Our coaches were very visible around the region when they first started and it was big help in land a great first class.
I'd love to see our staff take the opportunity to hire some younger recruiting specialists. Since there's no longer a rule requiring contact come from full-time staff members, seems like it would be a good opportunity to spend some of that BTN money on some young, high energy coaches to connect with recruits.
This is absurd. Further proof the NCAA doesn't give two shits about student-athletes. Kids are going to get bombarded with texts, calls, tweets, and emails for 2+ years. That's just too much for 16/17 year old kids.
Nick Saban has already found the loop hole in the texting recruits that do not have unlimited texting. He will text them 100 times a day. He will inform the recruit to file a light complaint with the school. Saban will look like a hero by paying the kids fees for going over his texting limit AND, here's the kicker, will pay a 500 dollar penalty for "pain and suffering" caused by his staff overtexting the recruit.
Saban will save this tactic for the most highly valued of the class. He will have several "new interns" that will that overtext his highly sought after recruits every year. Saban will complain that his new interns didn't have time to learn the extensive new laws and fire them off the team.
He will now be able to literally pay several recruits every year to come to Bama. The NCAA will take 5 years to even determine this as a questionable recruiting tactic, by which time Saban will have 7 National Titles and will be retired from the game.
It took me until the last paragraph to realize this was satirical (kind of)
So now, kids who aren't allowed to take money from boosters because they are "amateurs" are going to have even more demands on their time while they're only in high school.
National Curmudgeons Abusing Athletes have done it again.
Totally stupid. I really hope that doesn't go through because recruiting is already insane now. This would pretty much be the cherry on top.
The laws have been passed and will go into effect with the next recruiting class.
Leigitimately the opposite of the rule that should have been made. Thank you, NCAA, for trying to bastardize the sport I love to make it more profitable. Unreal.
This is shameful. The recruits already commit too early to bring an end to the madness. So the NCAA response to that is to make it worse. I may stop following recruiting because I feel so bad for these kids. It sounds silly to feel bad for someone that will get a free education but sheesh, the NCAA is absurd.
NCAA doing its best to create jobs in a rough economy. Commendable.
How can we get Kate Upton to be UM's new recruiting coordinator? What 18 year old guy would say no???
On that same note, would Katherine Webb recruit for Auburn or Alabama?
Not sure...ask Musberger.
So they basically just made it legal to hire a telemarketing firm to call, text, message them on facebook and Twitter as much as they want. All of which can be automated to the point where the recruit would have no idea the head coach wasnt the one sending them the message asking them how thier day was and if htey had any questions to call. I don't know much about other laws, but Im pretty sure the FCC is going to step in eventually, this is going to get out of control.
Didn't think about that, but yeah, what's to stop a school from hiring 25 interns to text and email a list of 200 recruits multiple times every day. Hell, make it a booster perk. Donate 25k+ and you can do some recruiting for us.
Is the get kids to choose your school. I imagine that coaches will quickly figure out if a kid is feeling that the contact is too much, and cut back since it would hurt thier chances with that recruit.
This will help Michigan because our budget is so much larger than other schools. I believe that it will hurt the spirit of the game though.
Big Ten teams in general pull in more money than schools in other conferences, but they don't seem to spend it on coaching staffs. The Big Ten is basically the equivalent of a rich family that still shops at Costco.
This will also be good for lawyers, because I think you are going to see more than a few restraining orders filed.
This is ridiculous if there isn't an early signing period instituted. Once again, the NCAA puts the kids last.
I work in compliance and we have all been hoping this would pass. This makes our jobs SO much easier!
Yeah it would make police officers jobs easier if there were no laws to enforce either. I think that's why the NCAA passes this. Instead of having to take a hard stance against rule breakers, just get rid of the rule!
I think the NCAA is just getting rid of the stupid rules. You can scout a two year-old but you can't call a junior in high school.
Remember, the NCAA already has this rule in place for men's basketball. It's doing fine.
And the schools proposed and voted to adopt this rule, so I don't know why everyone seems to be blaming the NCAA staff.
I'm sure compliance would much rather spend time looking out for big things, instead of counting how many times recruits get contacted and when.
Right under their noses they more often than not powerless to investigate and afraid to bring the hammer unless the school is even more powerless (ie PSU).
I was at Verizon yesterday, and a friend of the family told me that Dantonio was asking around about interdimensional plans. Very interesting indeed.
I am not sure why everyone is so against these rules. I think it simplifies the code and makes it easier to enforce existing rules. I am all for simplification.
As to kids getting bombarded by coaches, I doubt that is going to be much of a problem. If there are too many texts, they are just going to do what any other celebrities do and change the number and be more judicious about giving the new number out. Is it a hassle to change the phone number? Sure, but it is not the end of the world like everyone here is making it out to be.
I really hope this post is sarcastic.
Brady is for this rule change. So, unless you believe Brady does not care about recruits, there is nothing sarcastic about it.
I think people are missing the point of this rule. There were never limits in how often a recruit could call the school so more often than not you'd have coaches calling a kid and telling the kid to call back every so often.
Also, if a school annoys a kid, the kid probably won't go to that school. Seeing as the whole point of recruiting is to get kids to go to your school, schools probably won't use these new rules to relentlessly call kids.
And these rules are on par with what men's basketball has already and they experienced no problems with it. Basically men's basketball was the trial run, and now the NCAA has decided it's a good set of rules to extend to all sports.
This is insane.
As long as no jelly is provided for bagels we are all good.
To expand the discussion somewhat, and as this is likely the best thread for it, here is the NCAA public release on the comprehensive list of "simplifications" to the Division I Handbook. (LINK)
In addition to the restrictions on methods and means of communication, schools will now be able to institutions to pay for academic support and career development services for student-athletes, to provide "reasonable entertainment" in conjunction with practices, and allow schools to provide expenses to athletes representing them at noncompetitive events. There is a laundry list of changes, but these are some of the more intriguing ones.
As for the relaxation of recruiting contacts, I have to think this does favor bigger schools with bigger budgets, as others have noted, especially with regards to the lifting of restrictions on circulated print materials and the like. Further, there is also the lifting of the restriction on having someone on staff with the team be the recruiting coordinator - this seems to open the door to more monetarily gifted institutions to attempt to build a marketing machine. Essentially, the body of changes in this section allows those school to create staffs whose sole duty is to sell the school to recruits through various media, something Michgian could likely do easily enough, but most Division I schools - which routinely operate in the red - probably could not.
they are going to be inundated with texts and calls
Maybe it's time for recruits to throw away their cell phone and just go with the home landline. And turn the ringer off at night
Does it address sundresses at all? Or whip cream bikinis?
So the NCAA doesn't care about the student athlete? I am surprised
I know it seems a little silly, but college sports should be for the betterment if student athletes. Since they are the ones who will not be incentivized towards the universities, it would be best if the decided.
That would be ideal if college sports weren't a profit seeking whore. As a result, rich old dudes will decide what is best and will naturally make it work in their favor. Just realizing my statement could have been made for other departments that should be working for the masses haha.
Wonder which coach will become nationally known as the "are we there yet" coach?
You also have to wonder if staffing payrolls will open up to digital "telemarketers"? Pay some grad student to just spam twitter, facebook, instagram, etc... all day long... Here's looking at you Lane Kiffin
Hmmmmmm...what other organization lets the ones making the rules benefit from them? Oh yes, congress. That's working so well. (With all due respect, not being political, just making a point and I did say with all due respect).
Seriously, coaches lobby for less restrictions on recruiting, NCAA passes news rules simplifying the old rules to have less restrictions on recruiting, NCAA says this is all good because schools will now have more responsibility, everyone looks directly at the SEC, Ohio State, and Miami...everyone makes eye contact and stifles their laughs. College coaches walk away texting a bunch of high school kids incessantly.
Question to Jeporady answer: what is first world progress?
The only people without a say in the matter? The kids. Think about the kids!
You're going to see a whole lot more early commitments.
I don't know enough about coaches' schedule to give a full answer, but it seems it becomes a balancing act. Teams can really load up on recruiting in down years, and spend less time at home with a less successful team. In a successful season, I'd there a risk of lax recruiting? Note: I an very drunk rift now, so please limit negging and just give insight.
One step at a time gentlemen, and that next step is Derrick Green.
For the people who obey the rules whenever there are people out there who ignore the rules.
Why dont we just call the NCAA football the NJFL. The National Jr Football league. Seriously paying players, this crazy recruiting. i mean just have them watch film everday and work out and give them college credit. This is getting so outta hand it makes it not fun to be a fan of.
Mark Emmert is a pathetic human being.
major universities pay coaches millions of dollars to coach college students and recruit high school students.
why limit these men in their efforts to beg these children to attend their university and generate million of dollars and be compensted with a scholarship worth thousands of dollars?
and they can't even pass a rule making oversigning illegal
Kelvin Sampson isn't too happy right now !!!!!!!