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NCAA passes revolutionary recruiting rules

So the NCAA has passed a bunch of new recruiting bylaws including one that does this:

So starting with the class of 2014, college coaches can call, text and communicate privately by any methods available without restrictions. No more one-call-per-week. No more dead periods. No more ban on text messaging.

Still on the table and awaiting a decision is this potential new rule:

If 13-2 passes in April, prospects in their junior years can expect up to six visits per institution at home and school from coaches during the contact period, just as seniors experience.

This will only make recruiting even more insane and more competitive, because in addition to all of this you can have coaches that are not full-time staff members make calls for you too, and there are no longer limitations on the number of coaches that can be on the road recruiting.

Essentially, recruiting has been deregulated.  So...as a school with a large budget, do you think this good for Michigan?  Or will the "we play nice in the Big Ten" culture hurt us?  We already know the SEC will go nuts with these rules...

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January 19th, 2013 at 7:26 PM | it can't hurt us... (Score:3 Normal)
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but it will hurt the game.

 

I wonder if this isn't all getting out of hand?  Unless they are going to do an early signing day...

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January 19th, 2013 at 7:44 PM | Yes please (Score:2)
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That would be an excellent way to curtail the madness, and to make it easier on us and end our worries about decommitments. After all, isn't it all about us anyway?

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January 19th, 2013 at 9:35 PM | None of the major powers (Score:5 Normal)
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None of the major powers wants an early signing period.  It's much easier to steal recruits from smaller schools than have other schools steal from Michigan.

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January 19th, 2013 at 10:53 PM | Interesting point.  I think (Score:2)
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Interesting point.  I think the same story applies to complaints that Rodriguez, Meyer, Hoke, etc. are going after other Big Ten school's commitments.  They probably are (or were).  Why?  Because they can.  If Tim Beckman (Illinois' football coach) calls up Shane Morris, something tells me that it won't be as productive as Brady Hoke calling up Reon Dawson.

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January 20th, 2013 at 4:21 PM | How early (Score:1)
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would you like to see it?  Age 16? Start of High School?  Start of Middle School?  Birth?  or Conception?  Earlier signing date will not solve anything except push the madness forward.

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January 19th, 2013 at 10:47 PM | It can hurt us.  Recruiting (Score:2)
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It can hurt us.  Recruiting is a zero-sum game.  We're harmed by a rule change that benefits other schools more than it benefits Michigan.  Based on some of Hoke's talk about technology, I think this generally reduces our recruiting advantage (or increases our disadvantage), though probably not by much.

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January 20th, 2013 at 6:15 AM | If I know David Brandon (Score:1)
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He has already hired a team of recruiters ready to spam Michigan propaganda to the inbox of every high school football player in America. Grass is green, water is wet, and Michigan football will be just fine.

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January 20th, 2013 at 6:56 AM | It CAN hurt us... But I don't (Score:1)
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It CAN hurt us... But I don't think it will. I think Michigan Football has more resources available to it than almost every other program out there. It is at LEAST comparable.

So as long as Michigan is SMART about it, I think the resource advantage that we enjoy shall give us MORE recruiting advantages. Not less.

In fact, wasn't part of this NCAA regulatory overhaul a philosophic statement basically acknowledging that some programs will simply have more resources available than others and to try and equalize for those advantages is beyond the NCAA's mandate? That basically the NCAA wants everything to be fair ON THE FIELD OF PLAY, but off the field, it is open season?

To me, this sounded like the NCAA saying, "Start your engines," to the recruiting powerhouses. Like Michigan. I think it probably comes secondary to the wide distribution of talent across NCAA football that has allowed for Boise State (and even, gulp, Appalachian State) type success stories, but makes the lack of NCAA basketball sized tournaments controversial in choosing national championships. So as the NCAA Div I precipitates into superconferences, the decision of how much to "compensate" the weaker programs in order to artificially boost their abilities to recruit talent thar would otherwise be out of reach, falls to the superconference managers and NOT the NCAA.

Assuming the B1G leaves things deregulated, such that the Marylands and Rutgers recognize that their perks in joining B1G is strictly limited to a share of the network pie, but not an artificial boost in recruiting imposed by NCAA/ B1G recruiting rules to keep the big boys from using their resource advantage, i see this as good for us.

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January 20th, 2013 at 12:46 AM | i sure as hell wouldn't like (Score:1)
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i sure as hell wouldn't like having my phone number out there.. it would be absurd the amount of txt's some of the blue chippers would get.

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January 19th, 2013 at 7:27 PM | Does it concern anyone else (Score:5 Normal)
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Does it concern anyone else that not everyone has unlimited texting, and therefore they can be charged a lot for getting 30 texts a day from coaches?

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January 19th, 2013 at 7:55 PM | "I appreciate you checking in (Score:5 Normal)
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"I appreciate you checking in every meal, Coach Saban, but you gotta cool it a bit.  My mom's gonna kill me when she gets the bill this month!"

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January 19th, 2013 at 8:11 PM | No worries (Score:5 Normal)
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Good ole Nick will take care of the bill.

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January 19th, 2013 at 8:45 PM | until he cuts you in spring (Score:5 Normal)
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until he cuts you in spring camp

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January 19th, 2013 at 11:23 PM | .  (Score:4 Normal)
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I resemble that remark. 

not just "douchey" MGoBlog user, but now TRUSTED MGoBlog user

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January 19th, 2013 at 7:28 PM | This sucks for the recruits, (Score:5 Normal)
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This sucks for the recruits, who will be deluged even more than they currently are.  

 

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January 19th, 2013 at 9:19 PM | No kidding (Score:3 Normal)
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What is the motive behind this rule change anyways?  Seems like the kids are going to end up hating it.  I can see many committing to schools earlier than they should as a result.  Coaches will probably hate it because they're going to invest so much time into kids that they have a ~10% chance at landing.  SO MUCH TIME.  Baby Borgeses, I hope you liked seeing your Dad.  In 2014 he might as well be Lennay Kekua because you won't see him anymore.  

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January 19th, 2013 at 11:54 PM | to eliminate (Score:1)
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the potential for violation.  If its not a rule it can't be broken.

 

Monitoring phone, text and everything else was probably becoming a serious expense as well.

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January 19th, 2013 at 7:29 PM | Why can't there also be a "do (Score:5 Normal)
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Why can't there also be a "do not call" list, in which a prospect can specify which schools cannot contact him. Update it bi-weekly and make it a major violation penalized by one scholarship loss to continually contact any recruit your school cannot contact.

It's all John Navarre's fault.

 

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January 19th, 2013 at 11:28 PM | I think this is an excellent (Score:2)
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I think this is an excellent idea, the only potential problem being the irrationality of teenagers sometimes. Or helicopter parents ie; the Forcier clan. 

I doubt that any schools or coaches would be in favor of it though, it doesn't serve their interest at all. If the rule kept a coach that a particular recruit hated from calling, so what? If that recruit already didn't like the offending coach, they probably wouldn't listen anyhow.

I still think it would be a net postiive for the recruits and their families though, and would like to see  somthing like this in effect. 

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January 19th, 2013 at 7:30 PM | God, this is ridiculous.  Now (Score:3 Normal)
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God, this is ridiculous.  Now recruiting is just going to be a game of how many times can you call someone.  And not to mention that the burnout from coaching could be much higher.  I suppose a staff could just target less kids, but harder.  It's going to be difficult to keep up with 200 kids.  And does the NCAA care about the recruits at all.  Big time prospects are going to get like 500 texts a day.  Whatever happens, I really hope our staff is ready to "keep up with the Jones".  I would hate to see us fall behind other schools that dedicate themselves to living on the phone with recruits.

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January 19th, 2013 at 7:33 PM | Well, coaches will have to (Score:3 Normal)
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Well, coaches will have to consider that increased frequency of contact isn't going to necessarily land them a recruit. There's going to be a fine line to walk between making sure you stay uppermost in a recruit's mind and becoming so annoying that he decides not to pick you.

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January 19th, 2013 at 7:40 PM | You're right, it could have a (Score:2)
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You're right, it could have a negative effect, and the good coaching staffs will be able to feel that out.  It will be interesting to see what happens.  Maybe it's just my naturally cynical self, but I don't think that's going to happen very much.  How many times do we hear news of recruits changing their favorites because a certain schooling is "showing them the love" more?  I feel like the kids like Poggi who at most tolerate the recruiting process as it is today are few and far between.  We're talking about a bunch of 16-18 year olds who are usually naturally impressionable and getting a ton of attention from huge name coaches.  I just think it's going to turn more into an arms race of contacting kids.  We may also see more early commitments if kids get sick of it, and then subsequent decommitments as other coaching staffs continue to contact kids.  Now staffs are going to have to keep contacting their already committed kids non-stop to keep them committed as well.  I do not envy coaching staffs with this one.  Probably will see more staffs with dedicated recruiting coordinators as well.

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January 19th, 2013 at 7:53 PM | Your two points regarding (Score:1)
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Your two points regarding recruits committing earlier to end/slow the process and larger staffs are exactly what I can see happening. 

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January 19th, 2013 at 8:28 PM | 100 letters in one day (Score:0 Trolling)
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Frequency of contact hasn't slowed down coaches before.  I've heard a couple of stories for the 2013 class where coaches have sent a recruit 100 letters in a day and the recruits haven't been that dissauded.  So now, (and since texts are easier to send than letters) I'd expect recruits to get hundreds of texts and emails a day.  Its nuts.

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January 19th, 2013 at 8:47 PM | Letters are easier to ignore (Score:2)
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Letters are easier to ignore than texts and calls. I'm sure it won't dissuade everyone, but it's certainly a risk coaches will have to consider.

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January 19th, 2013 at 7:38 PM | IDK (Score:1)
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I'd imagine it works it self out much like we do in the business world;  we can call anyone as many times as we want but usually let a contact go when we are out of it.

I would imagine that some schools will run the risk of being seen as annoying and hopefully this will regulate itself...   Although like I said earlier this all makes sense if they have an early signing day.

jdon

 

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January 19th, 2013 at 7:53 PM | I'm sure it will find some (Score:5 Normal)
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I'm sure it will find some equilibrium amoung the recruits who do or do not like the attention and the coaching staffs that do and do not give as much attention.  But frankly, the reason I really don't like this rule is because I don't believe it benefits our program like it does others.  I can have a rational discussion on the impact of this rule on the lives of high-school athletes and coaching staffs, but I couldn't give two shits about either if this rule would mean UM would win championships every year. 

If for some reason our staff has been thinking "if we could contact recruits more, we would have the #1 class every year", then I absolutely love this rule.  But I can't help look at the age of our upper level coaches and see the more "old school" additude, and then look to the south at our main rivals' upper level coaches' youth and general additude about recruiting and think this benefits them more.  Maybe (hope) I'm wrong.  Our coaches were very visible around the region when they first started and it was big help in land a great first class.

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January 19th, 2013 at 10:06 PM | That's what I was thinking too (Score:0 Offtopic)
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I'd love to see our staff take the opportunity to hire some younger recruiting specialists.  Since there's no longer a rule requiring contact come from full-time staff members, seems like it would be a good opportunity to spend some of that BTN money on some young, high energy coaches to connect with recruits.

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January 19th, 2013 at 7:35 PM | This is absurd. Further (Score:5 Normal)
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This is absurd. Further proof the NCAA doesn't give two shits about student-athletes. Kids are going to get bombarded with texts, calls, tweets, and emails for 2+ years. That's just too much for 16/17 year old kids.

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January 19th, 2013 at 7:38 PM | Nick Saban has already found (Score:5 Normal)
MaizeNBlueTexan
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Nick Saban has already found the loop hole in the texting recruits that do not have unlimited texting. He will text them 100 times a day. He will inform the recruit to file a light complaint with the school. Saban will look like a hero by paying the kids fees for going over his texting limit AND, here's the kicker, will pay a 500 dollar penalty for "pain and suffering" caused by his staff overtexting the recruit. 

Saban will save this tactic for the most highly valued of the class. He will have several "new interns" that will that overtext his highly sought after recruits every year. Saban will complain that his new interns didn't have time to learn the extensive new laws and fire them off the team.

He will now be able to literally pay several recruits every year to come to Bama. The NCAA will take 5 years to even determine this as a questionable recruiting tactic, by which time Saban will have 7 National Titles and will be retired from the game.

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January 19th, 2013 at 8:02 PM | It took me until the last (Score:5 Normal)
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It took me until the last paragraph to realize this was satirical    (kind of)

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January 19th, 2013 at 7:38 PM | Absurd (Score:3 Normal)
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So now, kids who aren't allowed to take money from boosters because they are "amateurs" are going to have even more demands on their time while they're only in high school.  

National Curmudgeons Abusing Athletes have done it again.

 

 

 

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January 19th, 2013 at 7:39 PM | Totally stupid. I really hope (Score:1)
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Totally stupid. I really hope that doesn't go through because recruiting is already insane now. This would pretty much be the cherry on top.

"Ohio is like a giant turd that Michigan just can't pinch off"

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January 19th, 2013 at 8:30 PM | Already went through (Score:0 Flamebait)
I Like Burgers
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The laws have been passed and will go into effect with the next recruiting class.

Hot dogs are the devil.

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January 19th, 2013 at 7:40 PM | And the NCAA (Score:2)
FreeTheFabFivePlz
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Wonders why there are so many problems in their institution?

So hot.  Milk was a bad choice.

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January 19th, 2013 at 7:44 PM | Leigitimately the opposite of (Score:3 Normal)
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Leigitimately the opposite of the rule that should have been made.  Thank you, NCAA, for trying to bastardize the sport I love to make it more profitable.  Unreal.

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January 19th, 2013 at 7:50 PM | This is shameful. The (Score:1)
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This is shameful. The recruits already commit too early to bring an end to the madness. So the NCAA response to that is to make it worse. I may stop following recruiting because I feel so bad for these kids. It sounds silly to feel bad for someone that will get a free education but sheesh, the NCAA is absurd.

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January 19th, 2013 at 7:51 PM | NCAA doing its best to create (Score:3 Funny)
Bigfoot
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NCAA doing its best to create jobs in a rough economy. Commendable.

The state pays for it, it is

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January 19th, 2013 at 7:55 PM | Kate Upton for UM recuriting coordinator (Score:5 Normal)
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How can we get Kate Upton to be UM's new recruiting coordinator?  What 18 year old guy would say no???

Strength equipment is expensive and guarantees you nothing.  A strong will is free and can give you everything you want.

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January 20th, 2013 at 12:17 AM | On that same note, would (Score:2 Normal)
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On that same note, would Katherine Webb recruit for Auburn or Alabama?

"A Michigan Man will coach a Michigan Team"

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January 20th, 2013 at 12:26 AM | Not sure...ask Musberger. (Score:2)
ldoublee
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Not sure...ask Musberger.

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January 19th, 2013 at 8:03 PM | So they basically just made (Score:3 Normal)
TruBluMich
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So they basically just made it legal to hire a telemarketing firm to call, text, message them on facebook and Twitter as much as they want.  All of which can be automated to the point where the recruit would have no idea the head coach wasnt the one sending them the message asking them how thier day was and if htey had any questions to call.  I don't know much about other laws, but Im pretty sure the FCC is going to step in eventually, this is going to get out of control.

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January 19th, 2013 at 8:41 PM | Telemarketing (Score:0 Offtopic)
I Like Burgers
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Didn't think about that, but yeah, what's to stop a school from hiring 25 interns to text and email a list of 200 recruits multiple times every day.  Hell, make it a booster perk.  Donate 25k+ and you can do some recruiting for us.

Hot dogs are the devil.

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January 19th, 2013 at 10:34 PM | Well the point of recruiting (Score:2)
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Is the get kids to choose your school.  I imagine that coaches will quickly figure out if a kid is feeling that the contact is too much, and cut back since it would hurt thier chances with that recruit. 

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January 19th, 2013 at 8:04 PM | This will help Michigan (Score:3 Normal)
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This will help Michigan because our budget is so much larger than other schools.  I believe that it will hurt the spirit of the game though.

903 wins most in college football

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January 19th, 2013 at 10:09 PM | But will we spend? (Score:0 Redundant)
I Like Burgers
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Big Ten teams in general pull in more money than schools in other conferences, but they don't seem to spend it on coaching staffs.  The Big Ten is basically the equivalent of a rich family that still shops at Costco.

Hot dogs are the devil.

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January 19th, 2013 at 11:06 PM | Costco carries USDA prime (Score:1)
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Costco carries USDA prime beef... mmmmmm....

The state pays for it, it is

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January 19th, 2013 at 11:08 PM | Hey, back off! Those $1.98 (Score:1)
xxxxNateDaGreat
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Hey, back off! Those $1.98 Cocoa O's I had for breakfast are delicious!

 

"Oh no, no, I'm not in the group yet. No, I'm afraid I just blue myself."

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January 19th, 2013 at 8:09 PM | This will also be good for (Score:2)
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This will also be good for lawyers, because I think you are going to see more than a few restraining orders filed.  

 

This is ridiculous if there isn't an early signing period instituted.  Once again, the NCAA puts the kids last.  

Look for the bare necessities
The simple bare necessities
Forget about your worries and your strife
 

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January 19th, 2013 at 8:16 PM | I work in compliance and we (Score:4 Normal)
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I work in compliance and we have all been hoping this would pass. This makes our jobs SO much easier!

University of Tom Brady, B.A. '10; University of Peyton Manning, J.D. '13.

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