Home
i'm an actor, not a reactor

Primary links

  • About
    • $upport (lol)
    • Ethics
    • FAQ
    • Glossary
    • Privacy Policy
  • Contact
  • MGoStore
    • Hail to Old Blue
  • MGoBoard
    • MGoBoard FAQ
    • Michigan bar locator
    • Moderator Action Sticky
  • Useful Stuff
    • Depth Chart By Class
    • Hoops Depth Chart by Class
    • 2017 Recruiting Board
    • Unofficial Two Deep
    • MGoFlickr
    • Diaries, Windows Live Writer, And You
    • User-Curated HOF
    • Where To Eat In Ann Arbor
  • Schedule/Tix
    • Future Schedules (wiki)
    • Ticket spreadsheet
Home Forums MGoBoard

Navigation

  • Forums
  • Recent posts

User login

  • Create new account
  • Request new password

MGoElsewhere

  • @MGoBlog (Brian)
  • @aceanbender
  • @Misopogon (Seth)
  • @Aeschnepp (Adam)
  • @BISB
  • @EUpchurchPhoto
  • @FullOfTwitt (Fuller)
  • Hail to the Victors 2016
  • MGoFacebook
  • MGoPodcast
  • WTKA
  • Instagram

Michigan Blogs

  • Big House Blog
  • Burgeoning Wolverine Star
  • Genuinely Sarcastic
  • Go Blue Michigan Wolverine
  • Holdin' The Rope
  • MVictors
  • Maize 'n' Blue Nation
  • Maize 'n' Brew
  • Maize And Go Blue
  • Michigan Hockey Net
  • MMMGoBlueBBQ
  • The Blog That Yost Built
  • The Hoover Street Rag
  • The M Zone
  • Touch The Banner
  • UMGoBlog
  • UMHoops
  • UMTailgate
  • Wolverine Liberation Army

M On The Net

  • mgovideo
  • MGoBlue.com
  • Mike DeSimone
  • Recruiting Planet
  • The Wolverine
  • Go Blue Wolverine
  • Winged Helmet
  • UMGoBlue.com
  • MaizeRage.org
  • Puckhead
  • The M Den
  • True Blue Fan Forum

Big Ten Blogs

  • Illinois
    • Illinois Loyalty
    • Illinois Baseball Report
  • Indiana
    • Inside The Hall
    • The Crimson Quarry
  • Iowa
    • Black Heart, Gold Pants
    • Fight For Iowa
  • Michigan State
    • The Only Colors
  • Minnesota
    • GopherHole.com
    • The Daily Gopher
  • Nebraska
    • Corn Nation
    • Husker Max
    • Husker Mike's Blasphemy
    • Husker Gameday
  • Northwestern
    • Sippin' On Purple
    • Lake The Posts
  • Notre Dame
    • The House Rock Built
    • One Foot Down
  • Ohio State
    • Eleven Warriors
    • Buckeye Commentary
    • Men of the Scarlet and Gray
    • Our Honor Defend
    • The Buckeye Nine
  • Penn State
    • Slow States
    • Black Shoe Diaries
    • Happy Valley Hardball
    • Penn State Clips
    • Linebacker U
    • Nittany White Out
  • Purdue
    • Boiled Sports
    • Hammer and Rails
  • Wisconsin
    • Bruce Ciskie

Links of Note

  • Baseball
    • College Baseball Today
    • The College Baseball Blog
  • Basketball
    • Ken Pomeroy
    • Hoop Math
    • John Gasaway
    • Luke Winn/Sports Illustrated
  • College Hockey
    • Chris Heisenberg (Class of 2016)
    • College Hockey Stats
    • Michigan College Hockey
    • Hockey's Future
    • Sioux Sports
    • USCHO
  • Football
    • Smart Football
    • Every Day Should Be Saturday
    • Matt Hinton/Grantland
    • Football Study Hall
    • Football Outsiders
    • Harold Stassen
    • NCAA D-I Stats Page
    • The Wizard Of Odds
    • CFB Stats
  • General
    • Sports Central
  • Local Interest
    • The Ann Arbor Chronicle
    • Arborwiki
    • Arbor Update
    • Ann Arbor Observer
    • Teeter Talk
    • Vacuum
  • Teams Of The D
    • Lions
      • Pride of Detroit
    • Pistons
      • Detroit Bad Boys
      • Need4Sheed
    • Tigers
      • Roar Of The Tigers
      • Bless You Boys
      • The Daily Fungo
      • The Detroit Tigers Weblog
    • Red Wings
      • Winging It In Motown
      • On The Wings
    • Michigan Sports Forum

Beveled Guilt

Site Search

Diaries

  • New
  • Popular
  • Hot
  • This Month in MGoBlog History - April 2008: No Spring Game at the Big House! Hockey loses to ND in the Frozen Four!
    Maize.Blue Wagner - 22 hours ago
  • Thirteen unlucky minutes (TL;DNR-This is a bit of rant about the refs)
    docwhoblocked - 2 weeks ago
  • Fan Satisfaction Index End of Season Bball Survey
    OneFootIn - 2 weeks ago
  • How likely are we to revert to the mean?
    Bo Glue - 2 weeks ago
  • It's time to avenge Villanova's 1985 NCAA tourney upset over Michigan
    Communist Football - 2 weeks ago
  •  
  • 1 of 2
  • ››
more
  • This Month in MGoBlog History - April 2008: No Spring Game at the Big House! Hockey loses to ND in the Frozen Four!
    Maize.Blue Wagner - 418 views
  • This Month in MGoBlog History - March 2008: Pryor isn't coming, Boren has left, and some academic fraud allegations sprinkled in
    Maize.Blue Wagner - 215 comments
  • 14 Months Ago: The Fire Beilein Threads.
    stephenrjking - 91 comments
  • Thirteen unlucky minutes (TL;DNR-This is a bit of rant about the refs)
    docwhoblocked - 61 comments
  • It's time to avenge Villanova's 1985 NCAA tourney upset over Michigan
    Communist Football - 11 comments
  • This Month in MGoBlog History - April 2008: No Spring Game at the Big House! Hockey loses to ND in the Frozen Four!
    Maize.Blue Wagner - 5 comments

MGoBoard

  • New
  • Recent
  • Hot
  • OT: Whose shirt did I buy? Also, thanks for the shirt
    26 replies
  • OT - LSU Spring Game Currently on ESPN/SEC Network
    24 replies
  • Baseball's win streak at 19 after 11th inning walkoff over PSU
    12 replies
  • OT: RIP Verne Troyer
    49 replies
  • OT: Record Store Day 2018!
    29 replies
  • Notre Dame Spring Game: analysis from M n B, video
    101 replies
  • Michigan Mercies Maryland, Softball Wins 12-1 (5 inn.)
    16 replies
  • Michigan Football Hype Video 2018-19 Season
    25 replies
  • Nebraska football
    103 replies
  • Lacrosse Falls to #7 Hopkins 10-9
    22 replies
  • This Week/Weekend's Football Visitors
    42 replies
  • OT: NFL draft prospects with (state of) Michigan (but not UM/MSU) ties
    8 replies
  • Michigan basketball pursuing Pitt guard transfer Marcus Carr
    21 replies
  • Schembechler Hall practice field ripped out (photos)
    48 replies
  • The Evolution of Commerce - What Industries are Dying, What's Thriving?
    145 replies
  •  
  • 1 of 6
  • ››
  • Notre Dame Spring Game: analysis from M n B, video
    101 replies
  • OT: Whose shirt did I buy? Also, thanks for the shirt
    26 replies
  • OT: RIP Verne Troyer
    49 replies
  • OT - LSU Spring Game Currently on ESPN/SEC Network
    24 replies
  • OT: Record Store Day 2018!
    29 replies
  • Baseball's win streak at 19 after 11th inning walkoff over PSU
    12 replies
  • Nebraska football
    103 replies
  • Michigan Football Hype Video 2018-19 Season
    25 replies
  • Lacrosse Falls to #7 Hopkins 10-9
    22 replies
  • Schembechler Hall practice field ripped out (photos)
    48 replies
  • This Week/Weekend's Football Visitors
    42 replies
  • Michigan Mercies Maryland, Softball Wins 12-1 (5 inn.)
    16 replies
  • RIP OT: Former First Lady Barbara Bush
    58 replies
  • The Evolution of Commerce - What Industries are Dying, What's Thriving?
    145 replies
  • OT: NFL draft prospects with (state of) Michigan (but not UM/MSU) ties
    8 replies
  •  
  • 1 of 6
  • ››
  • Belleville coach Jermain Crowell mad at UM again
    244 replies
  • Police investigating Elysee Mbem-Bosse for death threat against Harbaugh
    224 replies
  • "Being Not-Rich at UM" Guide
    168 replies
  • Buckle Up
    159 replies
  • Scouting the Enemy: Ohio State QBs are Good
    158 replies
  • Semi-OT: What sports would you fix?
    158 replies
  • Elysee Mbem-Bosse disturbing tweets
    157 replies
  • Whats the Best Way to Make Flight Arrangements?
    149 replies
  • The Evolution of Commerce - What Industries are Dying, What's Thriving?
    145 replies
  • FB new Nutrition plan under Herbert is well received by players
    132 replies
  • OT - Jalen Hurts possibly looking to transfer
    121 replies
  • What past season would you have liked to see an Amazon-style documentary on?
    121 replies
  • OT: best-selling musical artists by state of birth
    120 replies
  • No additional protest of Shea Patterson appeal by Ole Miss
    113 replies
  • NCAA changes rules to restrict James Doug Foug's super power
    107 replies
  •  
  • 1 of 6
  • ››

Support MGoBlog: buy stuff at Amazon

NCAA increases APR cutoff. UM now under?

42 posts / 0 new
Login or register to post comments
Last post
August 11th, 2011 at 3:15 PM
#1
VictorValiant
VictorValiant's picture
Joined: 07/01/2008
MGoPoints: 1637
NCAA increases APR cutoff. UM now under?

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6853878/ncaa-committee-approves-increase-apr-cutline

"One day after university presidents talked about making changes, the governing body's board of directors approved a measure Thursday to raise the historical Academic Progress Rate cutline from 900 to 930."

According to  NCAA data (http://web1.ncaa.org/maps/aprRelease.jsp), only one Michigan athletic team is under this new cutline:

Football      2009-2010    928
 

Uh oh!

 

 

EDIT: I added the year of the score for clarity.  the database didn't have the 2010-11 academic year.  maybe it's increased since the year before?

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
Tags:
  • MGoBoard

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
August 11th, 2011 at 3:20 PM
#2
All Aboard
All Aboard's picture
Joined: 01/03/2011
MGoPoints: 816
oh.

:|

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:21 PM
#3
Noleverine
Joined: 10/06/2010
MGoPoints: 3735
Im sure

theres some sort of grandfathering in. We were above the threshold, I cant imagine they'd knock us for being 2 pts below a newly-raised threshold. Then again, the NCAA is not known for being "reasonable."

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:24 PM
(Reply to #3) #4
justingoblue
justingoblue's picture
Joined: 11/16/2010
MGoPoints: 29685
Wasn't there a lot of

Wasn't there a lot of grumbling about not penalizing teams under the threshold anyway? I doubt the teams at 898 before lost scholarships or anything. This is all based on memory, so maybe I'm completely wrong (but I do think that was right).

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:26 PM
(Reply to #6) #5
Noleverine
Joined: 10/06/2010
MGoPoints: 3735
The NCAA letting people get away with breaking the rules?

BLASPHEMY! You, sir, are a heretic.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 11:27 PM
(Reply to #7) #6
bacon
bacon's picture
Joined: 01/04/2009
MGoPoints: 18534
It's ok as long as we didn't

It's ok as long as we didn't know that we were below the cutoff.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:28 PM
(Reply to #6) #7
VictorValiant
VictorValiant's picture
Joined: 07/01/2008
MGoPoints: 1637
i am certain about the

i am certain about the consequences, but it's hard to claim that Michigan cares about academics when the program is under the APR cutoff.  It hurts the authencity of the progam.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:34 PM
(Reply to #8) #8
justingoblue
justingoblue's picture
Joined: 11/16/2010
MGoPoints: 29685
Yea, I'm definitely not

Yea, I'm definitely not saying we should be constantly finding ways around it, but for this year we should be fine. I trust that Hoke will get us to 930 if the number is 930.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:35 PM
(Reply to #8) #9
Phil.engin2011
Joined: 06/29/2011
MGoPoints: 194
A big part of how APR is calculated is based on retention...

our score directly reflects massive attrition over the past 3 years. Not really related to "academics" per se, retention is just a good indicator of the emphasis on academics.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:36 PM
(Reply to #8) #10
coldnjl
Joined: 12/31/2009
MGoPoints: 12625
What does a program having

What does a program having kids transferring out have anything to do with not caring about academics?

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:36 PM
(Reply to #8) #11
joeyb
joeyb's picture
Joined: 10/12/2008
MGoPoints: 14048
Our APR really has little to

Our APR really has little to do with actual academics.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:37 PM
(Reply to #8) #12
ken725
ken725's picture
Joined: 10/26/2008
MGoPoints: 27659
Players leaving has nothing

Players leaving has nothing to do with how much Michigan cares about academics.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:44 PM
(Reply to #20) #13
State Street
State Street's picture
Joined: 07/09/2011
MGoPoints: 15302
Tate Forcier

Tate Forcier begs to differ.  

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 4:07 PM
(Reply to #28) #14
MGoTarHeel
MGoTarHeel's picture
Joined: 09/03/2009
MGoPoints: 5556
I'd say that has more to do

I'd say that has more to do with how much Tate Forcier cares about academics.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 4:39 PM
(Reply to #33) #15
joeyb
joeyb's picture
Joined: 10/12/2008
MGoPoints: 14048
Or that Michigan does care

Or that Michigan does care about academics which is why he is no longer here.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:44 PM
(Reply to #8) #16
bronxblue
Joined: 11/22/2008
MGoPoints: 59111
APR is designed to punish

APR is designed to punish schools that don't push kids to graduate or keep them on track; UM suffered a drop because a bunch of kids transferred with eligiblity during the season.  The team's GPA under RR was still pretty good (I know he once said it was the best ever, but I cannot confirm), and kids continue to graduate.  I wouldn't be worried about how this makes UM look in the eyes of others regarding academics.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:23 PM
#17
Bryan
Bryan's picture
Joined: 07/10/2009
MGoPoints: 13410
When does it go into effect?

Now or at somepoint in the future?

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:23 PM
#18
Wolverine In Exile
Wolverine In Exile's picture
Joined: 11/08/2008
MGoPoints: 5357
Commence panic

Begin recalculation of what our APR would be if Tate hadn't flunked out....

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:44 PM
(Reply to #5) #19
Mabel Pines
Mabel Pines's picture
Joined: 10/02/2010
MGoPoints: 27482
Actually....

The subtraction of Tate and the addition of Matt Wile should totally raise the GPA!

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:33 PM
(Reply to #9) #20
wlubd
wlubd's picture
Joined: 02/26/2009
MGoPoints: 7189
Hadn't heard 14-15' but it

Hadn't heard 14-15' but it makes sense. It can't come in immediately. Saw one tweet today that said 101 of 120 FBS members would be ineligible for postseason play if it started right now. Good luck with that.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:36 PM
(Reply to #12) #21
turd ferguson
turd ferguson's picture
Joined: 12/09/2009
MGoPoints: 26489
posted from iPhone

So Rice vs. Vanderbilt for the national title? I'm in.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:44 PM
(Reply to #16) #22
Elmer
Elmer's picture
Joined: 04/22/2011
MGoPoints: 5141
Figures...there's always an

Figures...there's always an SEC team in the championship game.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:38 PM
(Reply to #12) #23
elaydin
elaydin's picture
Joined: 04/17/2010
MGoPoints: 2325
I think that was 101 Division

I think that was 101 Division 1 basketball schools.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:42 PM
(Reply to #22) #24
wlubd
wlubd's picture
Joined: 02/26/2009
MGoPoints: 7189
Ah, you're right. Would be 17

Ah, you're right. Would be 17 FBS teams. Makes more sense.

Point stands though, you introduce it immediately and you're handing out de facto postseason bans to a lot of teams across a lot of sports. No reason to think we can't get our APR well up above 930 by whatever year they bring it in.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:32 PM
#25
LSCrepair
Joined: 08/28/2009
MGoPoints: 1085
The NCAA will not impose the

The NCAA will not impose the cutoff limit immediately. It will be phased in over a period of time as to allow the member institutions to meet the limit. It was discussed on the SVP show this afternoon.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:35 PM
#26
D.C. Dave
Joined: 09/02/2010
MGoPoints: 353
Relax

The NCAA typically doesn't change a rule related to academics and immediately commence retroactive enforcement. Michigan traditionally has been fine in APR and should improve now that RR has departed. Rodriguez took more than his fair share of recruiting risks in terms of bringing in players who were destined to struggle academically and either fail out or leave, and that's what led to an APR this year that is lower than Michigan is accustomed to. But we're not in awful shape and should be able to rebound fairly easily with the new staff.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:49 PM
(Reply to #15) #27
bronxblue
Joined: 11/22/2008
MGoPoints: 59111
I don't think RR's problems

I don't think RR's problems academically had to do with kids he brought in who couldn't compete in the classroom; his problem was that the kids he brought in tended to leave with elgibility remaining.  Everyone points to Tate and his struggles, but every team has kids who struggle in the classroom (when I was there in the early 00's, shockingly not every player was a Fullbright scholar).  I know blaming RR for all of the past ills is the thing to do (like it was blaming Carr before him), but the reality is that the poor APR numbers had to do with a wide variety of factors, not all directly related to the academic profile of the team.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:37 PM
#28
dnak438
dnak438's picture
Joined: 08/12/2009
MGoPoints: 6956
According to the NCAA website, it's not entirely clear

when the new regulations would go into effect, but not immediately, it seems (emphasis added):

The presidents felt strongly that the academic principles be adopted swiftly and decidedly, with details to be finalized in October. The Board directed the Committee on Academic Performance to produce particulars about the new changes in academic requirements, including a timeline for phased-in implementation for both the new 930 benchmark and the penalty structure.

From the NCAA web site.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:43 PM
(Reply to #19) #29
D.C. Dave
Joined: 09/02/2010
MGoPoints: 353
Language means timeframe is nothing to worry about

If the NCCA board is asking a committee to develop a "timeline for phased in implementation" then it's definitely not something that will take effect immediately, but it's also probably not soon. These decisions usually come with plenty of lead time for schools to prepare.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:45 PM
(Reply to #24) #30
wlubd
wlubd's picture
Joined: 02/26/2009
MGoPoints: 7189
You'd have to assume it would

You'd have to assume it would be around 4-5 years from when they ratify it. Would let coaches plan far enough ahead that when it does kick in, everyone they've recruited will have been recruited with the knowledge of what the new APR requirement was.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 4:06 PM
(Reply to #24) #31
Needs
Joined: 08/05/2008
MGoPoints: 7194
Actually, the only two

Actually, the only two players I can think of under RR that left with academic issues were Tate and Kurt Wermers. Where we get hurt is that APR dings schools for scholarship athletes that transfer in good academic standing, presumably because it places a value on having students graduate from their original institution.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:37 PM
#32
hart20
hart20's picture
Joined: 05/25/2011
MGoPoints: 5692
How will the SEC meet those requirements?

That's what I want to know.

 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 3:46 PM
(Reply to #21) #33
D.C. Dave
Joined: 09/02/2010
MGoPoints: 353
The same way the SEC follows all the other rules

Make it look good. APR means schools need to be sure players graduate, it doesn't necessarily mean the players have to learn anything. Remember the old Randy Newman song, "LSU, LSU, went in dumb, came out dumb too."

 

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 4:13 PM
#34
Alton
Joined: 07/05/2008
MGoPoints: 6755
Timeline

Documents on the NCAA website confirm that the implementation of the new limits will begin (as other posters have already stated) in the '14-'15 academic year, and the new penalty structure will not be implemented until the 2015-'16 academic year.

Lots of details here, along with lots of useless information:

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/DI_MC_BOD/DI_BOD/2011/August/BOD%20Combined%208....

The timeline is on page 31.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 5:26 PM
#35
WolverineBlue
WolverineBlue's picture
Joined: 01/09/2010
MGoPoints: 564
Four year average

The cutoff does not refer to a single year, but a four year average. So one bad year would not get you banned from post-season participation.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 7:02 PM
(Reply to #36) #36
Jeff
Joined: 07/01/2008
MGoPoints: 1432
Exactly.  The four year

Exactly.  The four year average is 940.5.  Admittedly the highest score is about to roll off but as long as 2010-11 is above a 909 (spoiler alert: it will be) it'll still be fine.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
August 11th, 2011 at 10:05 PM
#37
Johnny Blood
Johnny Blood's picture
Joined: 12/22/2010
MGoPoints: 808
NPR report on potential changes to NCAA

On the radio this morning...

http://www.npr.org/2011/08/11/139519301/ncaa-devises-rescue-plan-for-tarnished-sports-programs

During the NCAA's 2-day retreat in Indy (more than 50 university presidents present), they discussed three major changes to clean up big-time athletics.  Excerpt from the broadcast below.  They are discussing some major changes and talking about putting them in near-term.

Mr. MARK EMMERT (President, NCAA): That we needed to have change in a number of key areas, and we needed to have it quickly.

GOLDMAN: As in over a period of months, not years. So, with the clock ticking, here are some of those key areas.

Mr. EMMERT: We all agree that the NCAA rule book needs some serious editing. The rules are, in some cases, too complex, unenforceable in some ways, convoluted in some ways, even irrelevant.

GOLDMAN: Emmert says a rule book focusing on serious infractions, like paying athletes to move to another school, providing inappropriate benefits, academic fraud, combined with tougher penalties will put a healthy fear in those contemplating breaking the rules. Another key area: ensuring student athletes are just that. Proposals include raising academic requirements for incoming freshmen and transfer students from two-year colleges.

And perhaps the most controversial idea: raising the standard for a team's academic performance and linking that to postseason play. Penn State President Spanier talked about it in a phone interview.

Mr. SPANIER: If you're a basketball team and your numbers are historically too low, not enough people are continuing in school - they're flunking out, they're not graduating - as good as you might be, you're not going to play in the NCAA tournament.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
Powered by Drupal, an open source content management system
Theme provided by Roopletheme; sidebars adapted from Chris Murphy.