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Lame.
This list is completely arbitrary and not a genuine analysis of the relative merits of state fossils.
NCAA finds no new OSU violations, no LOIC, no failure to monitor
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:09 PM
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NCAA finds no new OSU violations, no LOIC, no failure to monitor
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:11 PM | 
Oh gawwd...
Oh gawwd...
July 22nd, 2011 at 5:37 PM |
I hate...
I hate...
ohio
born and raised in ohio. bleed maize and blue.
July 22nd, 2011 at 5:49 PM |
I have made one, single prediction in all of this.
I have made one, single prediction in all of this.
And I'll be the first to admit, it isn't much of a prediction.
The prediction is this: That by then end of this year, the rival fanbases and other assorted haters of The Ohio State University are going to be sorely, desperately, disappointed in whatever sanctions are imposed.
I am not saying that because I am a secret lover of the Scarlet and Gray. And I am not saying that because I am a great critic of the NCAA Committee on Infractions. I'm neither of those. I respect our rivals down south. And I'm mostly an agnostic on the NCAA.
The reason I say this, is because no one can possibly read all of the hysterical rumor-mongering in the press, through Maize-colored (or whatever color you might wish to choose) lenses, and not expect there to be something on the order of an NCAA death penalty. And I do think that some people, like George Dohrmann of Sports Illustrated, and a number of general sports bloggers, and much of the staff at ESPN, have totally jumped the shark on their OSU stories.
July 22nd, 2011 at 9:30 PM |
I don't think anyone was
I don't think anyone was
I don't think anyone was seriously talking about the death penalty. However, my thought after reading the Doc Saturday article revolves around the fact that if (and this is an if because we don't know the NCAA findings) OSU manages to avoid the worst of what happened because they fired Tressel it shows a poor understanding of the situation. OSU allowed Tressel to retire without any penalties. He was not "fired", he paid no fines for his actions, he was not penalized in any way because of what he did (or failed to do). In the end, Tressel gets off free and clear and OSU saves some face with the NCAA.
Weak.
July 23rd, 2011 at 10:30 AM |
Disagree.
Disagree.
Tressel may not have been fined, but he paid for his actions by losing a lifetime job, and make no mistake, the documents show that he was encouraged to retire by OSU, he was not going to do it himself. And further, his reputation is severely tarnished--nationally for sure, and even among many OSU loyalists. You don't have to lose money to pay.
"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite."
July 23rd, 2011 at 1:22 PM |
I agree that he has paid for
I agree that he has paid for
I agree that he has paid for his actions in other ways, but to act like the university was really actively seeking his dismissal before it become a PR problem is suspect to my understanding of what went down. Second, should someone who did what he did expect to keep his job? I guess I look at that as the natural consequence of his actions. When you lie to your boss repeatedly and garner an unfair advantage because of it I would expect you to be fired at the very least. I don't get the impression that the majority of OSU fans and supporters are anything less than appreciative of Tressel's coaching career at OSU though. Maybe I'm not listening or hearing from the right people.
July 23rd, 2011 at 2:02 PM |
You really do have to wonder, about Gene Smith...
You really do have to wonder, about Gene Smith...
I have said this, to my OSU friends -- Andy Geiger was perhaps the best AD they ever had at OSU, and maybe the best of his (post-Canham) time as an athletic director.
Andy Geiger did more great things for OSU than I can even recall.
But he is the guy who hired Jim Tressel. For my part, I'd quickly add, "And, Geiger is the guy who warned Tressel, and who apparently reprimanded him, for failure to report to Compliance, many years before Tatgate."
I really wonder if OSU doesn't need to clean house up to and including Gene Smith. I have real (but unprovable) doubts about whether OSU would be in the predicament they are now in, if Andy Geiger had remained as the AD. They'd be the luckiest university in the country if they found another Andy Geiger, to replace Gene Smith.
July 23rd, 2011 at 2:11 PM |
I'm past wondering about Gene Smith.
I'm past wondering about Gene Smith.
Smith was on record, before he was hired at OSU, as an opponent of written records that might document performance or compliance expectations, and I think that's why he was hired. Someone or some group at OSU didn't want an Andy Geiger around reprimanding the head coach.
Does anyone remember the circumstances around Smith's hire? Who first suggested the name, who had the final say? (I know it's the President's decision, formally, but that doesn't mean it's how it went down.) These aren't rhetorical questions--I'd really like to know.
July 23rd, 2011 at 3:39 PM |
Hmmmmmm....
Hmmmmmm....
Are you suggesting, that Andy Geiger was let go because Jim Tressel didn't like Geiger's oversight, and complained to people over Geiger's head?
Because I have NEVER heard that, and absent some good evidence, I refuse to believe that.
Now, there is a middle ground -- that Geiger retired of his own accord (I think that is what happened; although it might have had something to with Geiger's exhaustion with all of the tension that we've seen devoloping between most big university sports programs, money, and the NCAA). And that Gene Smith was hired for bona fide reasons, because he was a qualified and capable candidate who also had the benefit of "racial diversity" going for him.
AND... that after Gene Smith arrived, Tressel made it clear to Smith that HE -- Senator Tressel -- would be running football operations, thank you very much.
July 23rd, 2011 at 5:03 PM |
No, that's not what I'm suggesting.
No, that's not what I'm suggesting.
I think Geiger left on his own and I suspect your parenthetical reasons are pretty much on target.
I also think (no, this one is certain because I know such people) that there were people in the OSU booster community who would have preferred less effective oversight over the program. Smith's stated disinterest in written agreements and contracts and the like would have made him an attractive hire to that group.
It's also possible that no one involved in the selection of Geiger's replacement knew anything about Smith's point of view on such matters, but that seems less likely to me.
It doesn't require anything conspiratorial, just a slight shift in the balance of power resulting in the hire of an AD more interested in promoting an atmosphere of trust than of compliance. Behind the scenes struggles over the philosophy and direction of a program on the retirement of a significant figure are the norm, as Michigan fans must surely be aware.
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:13 PM |
That is such fucking bs
That is such fucking bs
I'm not surprised though. They will get off better than our punishment.
He only got the job because he's a Michigan Man not because he was the best. Is that what Michigan is all about? You do the best, you get the job. This MM meme is crap.
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:15 PM |
Bullshit. How the hell is it
Bullshit. How the hell is it
Bullshit. How the hell is it possible for them to ignore the rules for a decade and get off with one season vacated? Burn in hell, asshats.
Michigan: 903–315–36 (Best in NCAA)
vs Ohio State: 58-44-6
vs Notre Dame: 23-16-1
vs MSU: 68-32-5
vs B1G: 522-197-24
vs SEC: 20-8-1
vs PAC 12: 48-24-1
vs Big 12: 10-5-1<
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:18 PM |
Lost all respect
Lost all respect
I've lost all respect for the NCAA. Their motives are so crystal clear that it's borderline criminal. This all disgusts me, it's reprehensible. They'll probably reduce OSU's self imposed "sanctions". What a sad day for the integrity that once was college football.
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:18 PM |
Lost all respect
Lost all respect
I've lost all respect for the NCAA. Their motives are so crystal clear that it's borderline criminal. This all disgusts me, it's reprehensible. They'll probably reduce OSU's self imposed "sanctions". What a sad day for the integrity that once was college football.
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:19 PM |
Fucking ridiculous. The NCAA
Fucking ridiculous. The NCAA
Fucking ridiculous. The NCAA is such a joke...
"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle."
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:19 PM |
Hold your thoughts
Hold your thoughts
We won't know what tsio faces until the brass in NCAA decides. This obviously isn't the greatest news, but lets wait until we see what really happens.
Coach Hoke once told me that a moral victory is still a (expletive deleted) loss.
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:26 PM |
+1 for the level-headed
+1 for the level-headed
+1 for the level-headed comment. Let's wait until August 12, when the COI passes the final judgment, to start freaking out and saying we've lost faith in the NCAA.
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:30 PM |
The NCAA is so confident in
The NCAA is so confident in
The NCAA is so confident in their decision that they decided to wait until late Friday afternoon to give notification. But apparently OSU quarterbacks aren't the only people who can take multiple test drives to different states.
EDIT: If I was a USC fan I would be furious. What happen to "High profile players require high profile compliance"? Now it's ok as long as no one bothered to find out about it.
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:20 PM |
Schadenfreude
Schadenfreude
Let's not give the buckeye faitful any MGoSchadenfreude... This is like the teacher having to punish his favorite student. Scold them for a second look at them smile and let them off the hook, except the rest of the class sees right through this and knows and that the favorite student is a fucktardy douchebag....
David Cone is my homeboy...
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:23 PM |
You talk about not providing
You talk about not providing
You talk about not providing Schadenfreude and then say "fucktardy"?
Michigan: 903–315–36 (Best in NCAA)
vs Ohio State: 58-44-6
vs Notre Dame: 23-16-1
vs MSU: 68-32-5
vs B1G: 522-197-24
vs SEC: 20-8-1
vs PAC 12: 48-24-1
vs Big 12: 10-5-1<
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:34 PM |
I dont know
I dont know
I don't know... Did I?
You obviously didn't see what I was going for there... Basically me saying it's not possible because the whole thing with tOSU is kinda shitty yah?
David Cone is my homeboy...
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:20 PM |
Seriously NCAA,
Seriously NCAA,
Seriously NCAA, rrreeeeaaaaalllyy? WHAT THE FUCK!
"Tequila on the reg, chicks on the reg, fashions on the reg. Living the life most men can only dream of" - Kenny Powers
July 22nd, 2011 at 5:25 PM |
Believe me, not happy
Believe me, not happy
Believe me, I'm not at all happy but I'm not 100% surprised. With Tressel and Pryor gone, the scumbag owner of the tat parlor pleading out and everyone else playing stupid, there just wasn't much of a trail.
I must admit, I'm a little surprised there wasn't some kind of failure to monitor involved. At what point is the coach deemed part of the monitoring rather than just allowing the University to say, "it was the coach's fault and now he's gone."
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:24 PM |
August 12
August 12
Can the NCAA even make a determination on this before the hearing on August 12th? This doesn't make sense to me.
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:24 PM |
How does the NCAA expect schools to take them seriously
How does the NCAA expect schools to take them seriously
when they let off one of the biggest cheating schools of the last decade? If what TSIO did was not a textbook example of "failure to monitor" and "loss of institutional control" then I don't know what is and the phrases have no meaning I guess. The NCAA is going to take severe hits in the media nationally for this. The cretins down south of the border must be laughing their heads off right now. Makes me want to puke.
"You owe it to every man, woman, and child in the State of Michigan to beat the Buckeyes and silence their fans! Now go out there and make it happen!"
- Bo Schembechler (Result: U-M 22 OSU 0)
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:31 PM |
Obviously you don't know
Obviously you don't know
what the phrases mean by the NCAA.
You have been duped by hype.
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:27 PM |
Are there OSU people working
Are there OSU people working
Are there OSU people working for the NCAA?
Maybe they are infiltrated.
July 22nd, 2011 at 6:52 PM |
You could start...
You could start...
...by googling "Chairman, NCAA Tournament Selection Committee".
July 22nd, 2011 at 8:12 PM |
Blah
Blah
I don't think the NCAA Tournament Selection Committee has anything to do with enforcement of NCAA rules.
July 22nd, 2011 at 8:23 PM |
Of course not.
Of course not.
But I do think Smith's credibility at the NCAA affects their perception of the credibility of OSU's case.
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:26 PM |
So fired their head coach and
So fired their head coach and
So fired their head coach and their QB went pro for nothing. Nice job NCAA keep after those stretching too long.
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:26 PM |
I hate to say I told you so
I hate to say I told you so
It doesn't seem appropriate at a time like this, but...
Come on, we just knew this would happen, right?
No need to lock up the state-funded university-administered equipment room anymore. The NCAA says it's ok to sell it all on ebay.
July 22nd, 2011 at 6:19 PM |
Yes, let's all calm down a
Yes, let's all calm down a
Yes, let's all calm down a little.
You know, we used to beat OSU all of the time when they were at full strength. Now that we intend to field a Defense and Special Teams to go along with our Offense, we will do it again.
It doesn't matter what OSU or the NCAA does or does not do.
M'Dog
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:28 PM |
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posted from iPhone
I am beginning to regret my decision to buy popcorn in bulk.
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:31 PM |
Can't say I'm surprised
Can't say I'm surprised
Brady, Greg, Al: Just get this team ready to be on the field please.
Janeane Garofalo (Film Actors Guild): "As actors it is our responsibility to read the newspaper, and then say what we read on television like it's our opinion"
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:51 PM |
That's what it really is all about
That's what it really is all about
OSU screwed up and they'll pay for it, but I'm not with the majority here rootinjg for some kind of global thermonuclear punishment. It's not like they bought recruits. The coach lied to protect his players and lost his job. The players sold stuff and got suspended. The team got probation, lost a 12-1 season, a co-Big Ten title, a Sugar Bowl win. They may still get a one- or two-year bowl/conf. title ban and may get scholarship reductions. Losing Tressel was an enormous hit.
But I don't get the rabid hunger for tougher punishment. Michigan should be at the very least competitive with Ohio State on the field and doesn't need to rely on NCAA sanctions to get there. Good recruiting, coaching and playing will get Michigan back on top.
Michigan doesn't need OSU to fall -- Michigan just needs to rise to its familiar place.
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:55 PM |
+1 you so hard right now.
+1 you so hard right now.
+1 you so hard right now. Thank you level-headed Michigan fan. Thank you. You are a rare breed.
“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.” - Woody
July 22nd, 2011 at 6:33 PM |
But I don't get the rabid hunger for tougher punishment.
But I don't get the rabid hunger for tougher punishment.
You don't get the rapid hunger to see OH suffer??? We must have had different upbringings.
Kudos to your parents for not being zealots.... I think
We are here because we're not all there.
July 23rd, 2011 at 10:40 AM |
Pot, meet kettle.
Pot, meet kettle.
Hello.
"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite."
July 22nd, 2011 at 10:42 PM |
I concur. They were allowed
I concur. They were allowed
I concur. They were allowed to play in a BCS bowl game when in all probability had their players been declared inelgible that became a bowl game they probably would not have been able to qualify for. At a minimum a one year bowl ban is in order to make up for the Sugar Bowl from last season.
Already tOSU fans I know are telling me "so what" to the vacated wins and the season. So for no bowl games to be lost basically justifies Tressell's lies.
July 22nd, 2011 at 6:01 PM |
Because it's all but 100% obvious
Because it's all but 100% obvious
that others in the department DID know about it, but did nothing. They started to say so themseves before being stopped.
"This is the EMU game, not the emo game."
July 22nd, 2011 at 6:04 PM |
I'm not too surprised at this, however...
I'm not too surprised at this, however...
Tressel didn't lie to protect his players, he lied to try and save his own ass. The fact that he continued to lie after he got caught with his pants down proves that. The only people who believe that he was "only trying to protect his players" are OSU fans.
Special Teams means special times!
July 22nd, 2011 at 6:20 PM |
I agree with this post. One
I agree with this post. One
I agree with this post. One problem with the articles I read was that the later accusations were somewhat nebulous. Lots of posts here were that readers were disappointed and underwhelmed with the things that came out in, say, the SI article.
Michigan needs to win on the field. The court of public opinion and the NCAA's punishment of Ohio State matter a whole lot less than what our guys can do in competition.
July 22nd, 2011 at 6:23 PM |
I agree with you, except for
I agree with you, except for
I agree with you, except for one thing . . . the coach did not lie to protect his players. He lied to keep his ineligible star players eligible, becasue he sniffed a shot at a B1G championship and a BCS win.
M'Dog
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:31 PM |
May the NCAA be dissolved and
May the NCAA be dissolved and
May the NCAA be dissolved and replaced with an organization that will not reward blatant cheaters. Nearly every school that has had great success in the past decade has done so only with an accompanying NCAA investigation that finds hard evidence of rule breaking and coverups, and only one such school has actually been hit hard (if you can count what USC got as being hit hard.)
The end is night, worthless suits.
Michigan: 903–315–36 (Best in NCAA)
vs Ohio State: 58-44-6
vs Notre Dame: 23-16-1
vs MSU: 68-32-5
vs B1G: 522-197-24
vs SEC: 20-8-1
vs PAC 12: 48-24-1
vs Big 12: 10-5-1<
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:33 PM |
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posted from iPhone
Did we really expect anything else? Every other allegation seemed to have no paper trail. All the key players have severed ties with OSU, so the NCAA can't force anyone to talk. And keep in mind that they can still be hit for the already existing charges.
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:53 PM |
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posted from iPhone
Wasnt there was legal action against one of the parties in the USC case, so people had to testify under oath, and that's where alot of evidence came from.
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:49 PM |
i never "expect" anything
i never "expect" anything
i never "expect" anything from an entity as nebulous as the NCAA
what i had "hoped" was that they would a)care about the integrity of their rules and b)use a little common sense
its pretty clear that one or both of those did not happen
the fact that there is no failure to monitor associated with this case is indefensible, IMO
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:34 PM |
Meh, let's wait until Aug 12th hearing
Meh, let's wait until Aug 12th hearing
Those expecting the worst will have to adjust expectations, but tsio is not off the hook yet. Would still seem possible that loss of scholarships, etc. are on the table. And to some degree, the damage has already been done: Tressel gone, M recruiting bonanza. Let's not forget those key developments.
At this point, I can't wait for all this BS to pass so we can get back to what's happening on the field.
"This is Michigan fergodsakes."
July 22nd, 2011 at 4:42 PM |
Damage not necessarily done
Damage not necessarily done
If OSU gets off light, our recruiting bonanza will likely be limited to one year. And we could even lose some of our Ohio recruits back to them. This is not good. No justice in the world.
Tremendous!
I feel the bile rising. Yes -- I think I'm gonna be sick. I KNEWW the ncaa wouldn't have the balls to see this thing through!!!
And I was having a good day today!