NCAA finds no new OSU violations, no LOIC, no failure to monitor
I have a question for you. If you went to Auto Direct, do you think you would be able to get a multi-day test drive of a vehicle? In which you could take the car to another state? How about getting second test drive, after you got a ticket during your first test drive? How about multiple test drives after multiple tickets?
Looks like the lesson is "If you cheat, you'd better cheat well enough to not get caught for the worst of your offenses." Thanks for the heads up NCAA.
but some of the responses on here are pathetic.
First off, as many have pointed out, this is not the NCAA's final statement. Some serious penalties could still be coming. Second, remember people that Jim Tressel is gone and that in and of itself is a huge deal for their program. Third, for people saying that NCAA is corrupt, come on. Their responses to USC, UNC, and even recently LSU have not been trivial. The Cam Newton story is apparently not over yet either. Plus, keep in mind the investigative powers of the NCAA are limited.
But most importantly, do we want to win because the OSU program has been turned into a Brian Ellerbe-equivalent? Is that satisfying? I believe in justice, but I don't believe in investing more energy wishing for others' downfalls than worrying about one's own success.
IDK. I may hate OSU more than I love Michigan.....
Loser.
I think it is kind of BS, but I'm happy OSU won't be hammered too hard. I want to beat them at their best. I don't want them making any excuses and I don't want the rivalry having any less importance.
If OSU got nailed, and we still lost to them...would you be happy? I doubt it.
Tressel is gone, a documented liar, and I will take that. I think the NCAA has shown itself to be incompetent, but that is nothing new.
Time to move on, and get ready to beat them where it counts...on the field.
I was pretty happy when the tatoo thing finally stuck to them after all the other nonsense. This has still hurt them and Tressel has been exposed for what he really was.
Unless you find a paper trail or a jilted player (Here's looking at you Toney Clemons), it will be hard to get anything else to stick. The NCAA investigated the SI report but only one player acknowledged Edward Rife. Unless the NCAA is paying the players more than the boosters to speak up, you'll get stonewalled.
You can't discipline based on allegations. If there was something to make LOIC or Failure to Monitor stick, we would've heard about it before the NCAA. Be happy that they're classified as a repeat offender and there is still smoke, just not fire yet.
wouldn''t the equipment manager notice the amount of equipment leaving the facilities and if he didn't and the school didn't isn't that the definition of "failure to monitor?"
If true, and OSU isn't hit with a failure to monitor or LOIC, then the NCAA is officially a joke. Let's take a look at the evidence simply as it pertains to Tressel and Smith/Gee
- Tressel in clear violation of NCAA rules by failing to disclose potential violations, knowingly plays ineligible players all year
- Tressel tells Smith in December about the tattoo tip he received back in April
- Smith "punishes" Tressel and the Tat 5 by suspending him for the first 2 games against cupcakes and them for the first 5 games.
*Gene Smith serves as chair of the NCAA Men's Basketball Selection Committee, a.k.a the only event the NCAA makes any money off of.*
- Once the truth about the e-mails between Cicero and Tressel are released, Tressel realizes he's going to get a show-cause penalty and "voluntarily" extends the ban to 5 games. Smith accepts this.
- Tressel "resigns" when it becomes clear his continued employment will result in harsh penalities for Ohio State. Smith/Gee lay all the blame on Tressel, inform media/public they fined Tressel $250,000
- Smith waives fine and actually pays Tressel money.
- NCAA somehow takes Smith at his word and paints Tressel as a "lone wolf" who violated the rules all on his own and (most likely) limits the investigation to what's already known.
Wow. Maybe somebody should investigate the NCAA instead.
Somehow
pretty much like Enron. The blueprint to lie cheat and steal is out there and now everyone will do it.
we stole things?
Guess Hoke should start cheating. It pays.
Michigan fans have every right to hope for OSU to get their just punishment. Tressel turned the tide in a rivalry we were dominating and he did it through shady methods. NCAA sanctions aside, we now know what many of us suspected: car deals and other benefits from the community were the norm and Tressel looked the other way.
The following is just my opinion:
"Failure to monitor" may not have been an issue with tatgate; however, failure to report the known ineligibility of 6 players was. The "self" punishment has been levied: 5 game suspensions for the players, subsequent firing of Tressel, vacating wins and 2 years probation. I expect the NCAA will want to punish OSU a bit more for "saving their season and going to a BCS bowl by playing ineligible players" so I would not be surprised by a one year bowl ban and an additional two years of probation. I don't think scholarships will be taken away.
Where failure to monitor may come into play is in future investigations of the players cars as Tressel was dinged on his performance review for this and then Smith conveniently stopped documenting performance reviews only for Tressel. Our best hope is there is a continued investigation into the monitoring of Tressel and player transportation. The biggest problem OSU faces in this case would be the lack of documentation (Tressel's performance reviews) similar to our lack of CARA cards. Let's hope the NCAA continues its investigation into cargate as I believe this is where OSU really failed to monitor lies.
Sounds just right to me. NCAA is not done with OSU. This is only regarding the tats and Tressel cover up. It states there are no new allegations in that case, and nothing about them punishing themselves correctly. He still lied to the NCAA.
Michigan fans have every right to hope for OSU to get their just punishment. Tressel turned the tide in a rivalry we were dominating and he did it through shady methods. NCAA sanctions aside, we now know what many of us suspected: car deals and other benefits from the community were the norm and Tressel looked the other way.
In response to those that are saying we shouldn't want OSU to get punished too much, we want to beat them on a level playing field: Yes, you're right, of course we do. But we can't take back the 10 years they stole from us, so it seems just they should play handicapped for a little while, doesn't it. Also, it seems like the numberous memorabilia sales/golf/compliance getting tipped off and sweeping it under the rug reports are more damning than cargate at this point, but we will see.
The last ten years they stole from us?! Could you come across as any more whiny and pathetic?
Nobody respects the victim card, even when it's justified. But to take the issues that OSU is going through now and blame OUR futility for it is so illogical and so unfocused I don't even know what to do with you.
When Brady Hoke came here, he was lauded for his use of the word "accountability." Your excuses for the last decade of the Michigan-Ohio State rivalry is anything but. It's the type of loser's lament we used to make fun of Sparty for.
I'll give you my comment was a little dramatic (intentionally), but they have been cheating for at least 10 years, have they not? Point is it's not wrong for M fans to want some kind of payback for a decade of cheating that gave them an unfair advantage.
Bullshit. There were shady methods off the field along the way and the guy obviously deserved to get fired for it. But he turned the tide by taking Cooper's recruits and coaching the pants off of an aging Lloyd Carr and he did that from Day One.
That some people still can't accept that obvious fact is so small and petty I am embarrassed for them.
BRCE, I agree with you that Tress demonstrated some great coaching skill. Pretty sure no one would disagree with that. Your attitude that you are so much smarter than the rest of us because you can see that is impressive. The fact is we will never know how much of his success was due to his ability to coach, and how much was due to the advantages he gained by cheating, because he apparently has been cheating his entire career, and we have no record to look at to see how he does when he plays by the rules.
It's quite obvious that most if not all of it was coaching ability/obsession with Michigan. You don't get an extra point in The Game for every shady car deal. The only way it could have been a factor is by luring better recruits (which is purely speculative to begin with) and that's something that would not have paid dividends until a few years later when he had, in fact, already turned the tide of the rivalry.
My beef is that around '05-'06 there was this period that Michigan fans went through that was very difficult when we had to face that we were getting thoroughly owned. Some were stubborn and continued to deny it, which got more ridiculous with each passing year. This scandal, with ties to the rivalry pwnage that remain a grey area at best, has given those people ammunition in their denials on what has gone on in the past ten years, logic be damned.
Are you inferring that Tressel might have benefitted from the ability to get recruits in a shady manner? Certainly, players like Clarett or Troy Smith had to have helped. That said, I agree that Tressel is a solid coach but I don't know that you're overall premise that Michigan was getting pwned and people were deying the same is accurate. It's easy to look at the records.
Interesingly, pretty much the same thing happened in the opposite direction throughout the 1990's except the recruiting landscape was more level and Michigan didn't pay any players (Smith), or provide questionable benefits (Clarett, Tat5). The thing is, I could provide a lot more examples.
If you can't recognize that Tressel and Ohio's recruiting and or improper benefit schemes didn't impact on field performance then I can't explain logic to you, either.
In response to the question "did everyone at tsio know that shit was going down?", NCAA investigators said "it depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."
OSU self-imposed penalties have been essentially 'compensatory'. You lied to the NCAA, you get fired. You use ineligible players, you vacate wins. Probation? Obvious. The NCAA will definitely stick them with 'punitive' damages (look at the LSU decision for a good example).
Given the 2 for 1 nature of what they usually hand out, I would expect the NCAA to add: using 5 ineligible players for 1 season will receive, at least, 5 scholarships for 2 seasons. There could be something about the bowl game, but I doubt it since they...ahem...'self-reported' before the bowl game. I have expected exactly that for some time now.
SUCK IT
Welcome back Ohio trolls and Internet Tough Guy's. Now piss off.
pretty telling really. the ncaa just green lighted a decade of cheating. they just set the bar (extremely low) for future "major" violations and now in essence, a few vacated wins makes up for any rule you don't wish to follow. I'll be very interested to see what USC's response is since they got hammered for "should have known" and osu is skirting by with more more on their plate. this ruling really sets the stage for the ncaa to disappear from college football relatively soon.
Ohio State was a habitual line-stepper. They stepped over the line, habitually.
Should receive punishment for doing so.
I am not too worried about all of this for two reasons:
a) Ohio does not have the Pimp Hand working the hearing.
b) Two words: 'Repeat Offender'
I think the impending media hysteria the NCAA will face if they fcuk up this decision should seal the deal for a 2 year bowl ban and a loss of 5 scholarships a year for 3 years. Raback that or Pat Haden and the Pac Dozen will be pissing all over the NCAA's front porch for the next decade. Don't forget the need to placate the West Coast lobby.
I'm still completely confused why there's no failure to monitor. Isn't it the university's responsibility to monitor and not just the coach's? How is Tressel's "retirement" enough to appease the failure to monitor charges? Who was monitoring Tressel? This really makes no sense.
Do you honestly think the NCAA is worried about the media hysteria? Actually, I think the NCAA might actually feel sorry for Ohio State and the unfair maligning it has received in the media. How much have we heard about Georgia Tech's violations? How about Auburn's? And a middle man is threatening to bust wide open the money to Cecil Newton scandal. That would mean vacating the NC and surrendering Cam's Heisman. LSU just got nailed for recruiting violations. And yet, nary a freakin' word in the media about those schools. In Buckeye Nation, we're going to be celebrating tonight with http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/1475/13096Buckeye Beer! Cheers!
Objectively, the media coverage has certainly impacted the Ohio scenario. You can call it hysteria if you want but, as I see it, you don't have your program's second most successful coach any longer. Why? Was it media 'hysteria' or the smoking gun that your coach, the paragon of Ohio virtue and values lied repeatedly to cover his ass and save his season. His once vaunted legacy, 'the Senator' is ruined.
Your senior quarterback...the enigma that was Terrelle Pryor...soon to be plying his trade for the value of a 5th round pick in the NFL (supplemental value estimate) is gone. The rest of the tat5/tat6 suspended 5 games but likely more given NCAA precedent. Are you going to be celebrating these guys not being involved when they are suspended for the rest of the season for their issues?
You think the NCAA is going to feel sorry for Ohio after this?
The media will only feed because of the arrogance with which Ohio has approached this situation. Your leadership is distant from the Pimp Hand's measured approach. I will stay with my predictions. Srsly, it's nice to see you guys back trolling again and increasing my amusement level. Best of luck at the hearing.Good God you're a slappy.
Why don't you shut the fuck up? It's obvious that you're a buckeye troll.
I understand you're feeling outclassed in the intellectual analysis of this whole Ohio situation. Please stop hating on logical. Don't hurt yourself with those witty retorts, either. In future, I'll try T Y P I N G S L O W E R A N D IN B I G L E T T E R S T O H E L P Y O U C O M P R E H E N D. Kthnx.
Thanks for having my back on that Red.
Coming down the way they did on USC was a complete anomaly.
The punishment must fit the crime, NOT the innuendo and rumors and lies.
lay off the pot buckeye.
So you are insinuating anybody can go to autodirect and get a long time loaner for free right? Or student athletes can just go right ahead and sell their gear for $40k per year.
it's over
I won't pick up the phone.
This just covers the Tat5 right? I mean, the car stuff is still out there right?
If that's the case, that could still come back to bite OSU big time right? I mean, it may take a while. It took them how long to hit USC for Reggie Bush? Getting several cars is on par with getting a house I would think.
All that being said, didn't TPeezy supposedly walk out with a dozen pairs of shoulder pads or some ridiculous amount of equipment? How is that not LOIC? I mean if a guy dissappears with that much equipment, you'd have to think someone noticed right? In this facet of the whole thing, it makes me wonder if the NCAA sent Sgt. Schultz down to investigate.
The only fear I have is that a couple guys at work, one from MSU and one from Wisconsin have both felt from the beginning that the NCAA was going to look the other way on the whole thing since they felt the NCAA was complicit in those guys getting to play in the Sugar Bowl and didn't want the Big 10 to be a complete disaster in bowl season. I didn't think that at the beginning but this certainly causes doubt to creep in.
No the NCAA said there are no new violations.
but they handled this situation as good as anyone and better than Michigan handled stretch-gate. They lied and covered up the truth (redactions, paying Tressel after his "firing"...) and they won. They basically told the NCAA to F off and they did. That's how you handle a clown of an organization with no real power, not giving them free reign and paying an "independent" firm to investigate you.
I'll stay on this side of the fence though, thanks. I'm not sure how anyone can be proud to be a buckeye knowing that's how things went down though. No one with a conscience, anyway.