NCAA decides to not investigate OSU despite SI allegations

Submitted by mGrowOld on

http://blog.dispatch.com/buckeyesblog/2010/10/osu_says_ncaa_will_not_investi.shtm

 

The Ohio State athletics department just released a statement regarding the Sports Illustrated story earlier this week, in which former agent Josh Luchs said he met with former OSU receiver Santonio Holmes in 2005 and Holmes told Luchs he had been taking money from an agent.

"During an interview on Wednesday, Holmes stated he never received money or benefits from an agent," the statement said. "(OSU) has contacted the Agents, Gambling and Amateurism staff at the NCAA, and the NCAA has stated it does not intend to investigate anything further related to the allegations in the Sports Illustrated article based on the information that has been reported.

"The Ohio State University considers this matter closed."

 

Well....afterall he did state he never recieved monies or benefits so what else could they possibly do??????  Unfreaking real.

KinesiologyNerd

October 15th, 2010 at 6:19 PM ^

Who cares about violating the fundamental concept of amateur competition, and corrupting impressionable young athletes when there are teams stretching too long?! Come one man, get your priorities straight!!!!!1111

turd sandwich

October 15th, 2010 at 6:23 PM ^

I think the thing here is that if the NCAA were to investigate Ohio State, they would also have to investigate all the other schools mentioned in the article.  Also, from what Luchs revealed, it seems like the violations were so widespread that it would probably touch many more schools.  The NCAA likely just doesn't want to devote the resources for a country-wide investigation.  Unfortunate.

GeoTracker

October 15th, 2010 at 6:32 PM ^

that there isn't a giant pile of damming evidence to justify an investigation. All they have is an agent's claim which any good lawyer could easily fight off. 

Farnn

October 15th, 2010 at 6:50 PM ^

The investigation wouldn't take place in a courtroom, and I'm sure past cases have been based on as much evidence there is about the Holmes case.  The real issue is statue of limitations for NCAA investigations is 4 years.

wile_e8

October 16th, 2010 at 2:20 PM ^

The investigation starting a while back is the key here.  The USC investigation started less than four years after the infractions, which is what matters.  The amount of time it took to finish the investigation and determine violations is irrelevant.  

Search4Meaning

October 15th, 2010 at 7:01 PM ^

There was obviously no stretching involved.  

I mean we can't expect the NCAA to pursue trivial things like paying players.  They'd be working 24/7 if they had to look into crap like that!  This was simply not that important.

NOW... stretching!  Well I think we can all agree where that is a REAL problem.

When you guys can get your priorities straight, than - and only then - can you call in the NCAA.

EDIT: apologies to KinesiologyNerd.  He already had written this.

Tater

October 15th, 2010 at 8:07 PM ^

NCAA investigators seldom gain any traction in their investigations of OSU because everyone stonewalls and nobody admits to anything.  And if a Rosenpuke in Columbus tried to offer his editor an "expose" on the OSU program, he would probably get an "offer he can't refuse" and the story would get spiked.

Someday, they will make the right person angry under the right circumstances, and someone will blow the whistle on them.  In the meantime, though, they will continue to get away with whatever they want to do. 

That is part of why I would like to see players able to take money from wherever they can get it: I would like to see Michigan playing on an even playing field with some of the dirty teams, but without having to violate any rules.

jmblue

October 15th, 2010 at 8:15 PM ^

Except that OSU basketball has twice gotten nailed by the NCAA.  And that Maurice Clarett was permanently stripped of his eligibility (instead of the usual half-season suspension). 

Complaining about OSU somehow getting preferential treatment is very Little Brother of us. 

Erik_in_Dayton

October 15th, 2010 at 9:12 PM ^

The agent retracted his statement that Holmes said that he was getting money.  He (the agent) said on Mike & Mike that Holmes just said, "I don't want to waste your time.  I have other arrangements."  The agent also said that he wasn't giving players money anymore by that time.  So, the conversation was basically just, "Do you need an agent?" with the response, "I don't want to waste your time.  I have other arrangements." 

There isn't even smoke here. 

bronxblue

October 15th, 2010 at 9:27 PM ^

At this point, I think the NCAA would rather the situation just disappear versus investigating any of these claims.  Not only did they grant players clemency for accepting money before the ban was in place, at this point most of the offending parties are long gone and retired from even professional sports. 

michiganfanforlife

October 15th, 2010 at 11:54 PM ^

interesting argument of whether NCAA div 1 players should get a stipend from the University. If these kids were given some monetary compensation for playing, wouldn' t they be less likely to accept money from agents? I don't know really how I feel about this subject because I can see both sides of the equation. Players do get an free education which is hard to put a value on.  However, these guys are living in dorms and eating pizza, while thousands of fans like me buy their jersey. 

The NFL has an obligation to start prosecuting agents and ban them from the league for even one violation. It seems like their is no real punishment given to these slime balls, and the players are the ones who take the fall.  18 year old kids are impressionable, and if a hot shot suit shows up with rolls of $100 bills - I could see where that would be hard to turn down (especially for kids who grew up in bad neighborhoods that have families who need to get out of thier horrible predicament).

Wolfman

October 16th, 2010 at 2:14 AM ^

Herein lies the problem, as I see it; you can put a value on education and at most Big X schools, a four year education will run between 145-200K, depending on how you eat, living arrangements, etc. Your post is somewhat misleading also in the fact you state players are living in dorms and eating pizza.  Half of that is correct. They are staying in dorms, as are the majority of college students, who are paying for their education in some manner, with very real cash.  However, they are not afforded the luxury of training table meals which, believe me, are not limited to pizza.  They are perhaps the best rounded meals these young men have ever been exposed to.  We don't have hungry athletes on scholarship. 

There is a vast difference between values of education when you start to compare conferences, but this is part of  the selection process of the young men when they begin deciding which school they wish to commit to. Some place the education at the top; others do not.  In a few instances, such as when Fulmer was at TN, we learned that education or the value thereof played no role whatsoever, as it was made clear by 60 Minutes investigators who are far superior to their NCAA counterparts, that players were not forced to partake of the educational offerings afforded them with their scholarship, and they could either have regular students take exams for them, or if they so chose, blow off attendance completely by failing to even make the effort to have a surrogate set in their chair and answer present as attendance was being taken. 

Two things that do not differentiate among conferences, however, is television exposure for these young men, both to the nation at large, but also to NFL scouts, who based on initials viewing from games, follow up with intense film study.  And the second benefit that is a constant among all D1 players, they are being trained for the next level of competition as part of their agreement with their school(s) of choice.  These two aspects are of immeasurable value. 

The one possibility  I fear above all others if an agreed upon stipend were allowed is that some players, probably the ones accepting "under the table" payments in the current structure, would consider the stipend not equal to their value added to the program and take larger amounts, no matter how much were offered. 

If there is one thing we've learned from government assistance to the impoverished it's that no matter how honorable the intent of assistance, there are those that will find loopholes in the system and when they do, they'll exploit them to their fullest advantage. These people exist in all facets of our social structure, and even though they realize the intent of gov't assistance is to provide an equal percentage based on need, they really suffer no remorse for finding pathways that allow them a larger share of the pie than they're entitled to. 

These same type of people exist in the numbers recruited to schools each year, and just like those described above, they will not stop with the stipend, and when a loophole exists or even a recognized NCAA infraction, with a possibility of penalty less than imprisonment, and more than likely to be levied against the school they leave,rather than themselves, they'll ultimately decide it's worth  the risk.

Recognizing the above is true and will remain that way, I suggest doing nothing other than offering the education and pray they take advantage. We simply cannot trust agents or the NFL to protect college players and thereby the colleges themselves with the institution of the enforceable rules that would actually prevent the majority from even considering such action. They simply receive too many advantages under the current structure that prohibits them from implementing such incongruous financial decisions. 

ForestCityBlue

October 16th, 2010 at 9:56 AM ^

Before everyone starts getting all tinfoil hat thinking that the NCAA is looking the other way because its OSU and you start voicing a miriad of conspiracies about why, just remember the hammer that was dropped on USC.  Always start with the simplest and most obvious consclusion:  they are doing nothing about it because there is nothing there.

Steve in PA

October 16th, 2010 at 2:06 PM ^

USC was the most glaring offender, the 20% doing 80% of cheating so-to-speak.  The NCAA has shown that they are willing to go after schools and I think they are hoping that is enough to make schools more serious about policing the matter.

We'll see how bad the next NCAA smackdown is for a similar offense.