NCAA Bans Satellite Camps
"You can't put it past rule makers to make another dumb rule" - Jim Harbaugh
NCAA D1 council has shut down satellite camps pic.twitter.com/ifCJG6yDds
— Bryan Fischer (@BryanDFischer) April 8, 2016
The NCAA is one of the worst run organizations ever. Honestly Michigan should just do what they want because they won't get in any real trouble for it anyway.
Anything they want except stretching. Stretching is bad.
We really didn't get in trouble for that either except probation
Should be a good one. Love the attitude that Coach has brought to the program - he is not afraid to call people out, and will do so here.
Definitely taking it to the SEC - would love to see Bama on the field at some point soon (and yes, I think we are headed in the right direction of actually being able to compete with them!)
They could not have done anything to more radically scream out that they are SEC fans.
to increase competition and parity.... and then turn around and make this rule. I am so mad, because this is just such a bad policy. Lets decrease exposure to lower income potential players that don't have the means to travel to farther away universities (that are better academically in general) and bitch that we're all about the education. There is NO Rationale for this.
Officially on Harbaugh Twitter watch
The NCAA is such a joke, god forbid a coach travels to other places so that kids who cant afford to travel to these schools can meet the coach. Oh well, I'm sure Harbaugh has another trick up his sleeve in case this were to happen.
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Says it is effective immediately, but it seems like that would cost those who have already organized these camps quite a bit of $.
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I doubt that much money has been spent toward these camps yet. Michigan's are still two months away, and I also doubt that much money has changed hands. Financially, this is not that big of a deal.
"This rule change is effective immediately."
Anxiously awaiting the Harbsponse to this.
Regardless of the outcome it's pretty fucking incredible that the NCAA was forced to implement a rule soley because of the creativity and intellect of our head football coach. Harbaugh.
Cowards.
SEC: WAHHHHHH, it's unfair that coaches can come down here and get a look at our football players.
NCAA: Technically, it's not against the rules.
SEC: WAHHHHHHH, but...but...it's not fairrrr!
*Ole Miss hands 5* recruit a bag filled with $100,000 cash*
NCAA: What was that?
SEC: Not a terrible, awful, horrible satellite camp.
NCAA: You're right, SEC, those are awful.
*Alabama cuts 5 players in August*
I think the NCAA gets a bad rap. It's a large organization that's managed by a few people who are trying to balance the needs of dozens of sports and thousands of athletes across hundreds and hundreds of vastly different schools. It's easy to bash them and it's often unfair.
So with that as context, I say this:
This is a gutless, craven, and utterly absurd decision by the NCAA to cave to the pressure brought by a few whining schools that push the edges of their rules the most already. I have no respect for this decision at all.
It can be kind of lazy to say something like "The $EC is getting special treatment" and other throwaway stuff like that. It can get into tinfoil-hat territory at times. But it is hard to see this decision in any other light.
Cam Newton plays for the highest bidder, North Carolina creates fake classes, and I don't know where to begin with Successful Quon..........
And the NCAA is worried about football camps for high school kids.
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The NCAA doesn't care about anything.
The MEMBER schools that comprise the NCAA are the ones you should be railing against.
Always remember - the NCAA is functionally just a trade organization.
Everything they do is at the behest of their membership. Every decision that is made - gets made by representatives elected/appointed by the membership.
Can the NCAA legally prevent coaches from taking outside employment?
I don't think they can. And I hope Harbaugh files a big fat lawsuit in Federal Court over this bullshit rule.
If non-compete clauses are legal in employment contracts (they are), why do you think this restriction would be illegal?
Non-compete clauses are not the same thing. My point is, Harbaugh is employed by The University of Michigan, not the NCAA. I just can't think of another instance where a third party can interfere with a person's employment opportunities like that.
I thought this was America.
The NCAA isn't a "third party," it's an organization of schools that have voluntarily decided to abide by the rules of the organization. Private organizations are allowed to set rules for their members. By joining the NCAA Michigan has decided to submit to those rules.
(A) non-compete clauses aren't always legal, depending on state law and the breadth of the non-compete clause (B) this would be an independent third party saying "you can't take employment somewhere", rather than the current/former employer. Sounds like tortious interference with contract to me.
The NCAA isn't an independent third party. The NCAA is the universities that engage in a level of intercollegiate sports. The NCAA is the University of Michigan and a bunch of places like it.
If you volunteer, is it still employment?
The camp could be a non-profit that rotates around the country for the benefit of the players with volunteer speakers. The non-profit could just have some insurance and a formal donor program to help pay for renting the fields or obtaining basic equipment.
Doesn't even have to be a non-profit, but just trying to show that something that is a benefit to players (giving them the greatest of opportunities to see their value and options in the country) should probably be allowed.
Obviously any volunteers would also be able to attract attention to their schools, but Harbaugh has been straight about these camps before, that they give players more opportunity and are organized in the spirit of competition.
A volunteer is not an employee. It is also legal to reimburse volunteers for expenses without transforming them into employees.
Based on the wording of the rule, we should be allowed to hold a camp at IMG
This really pisses me the fuck off. The NCAA is soooo stupid.
Fuck those fucking fucks.
The NCAA has 0.0% interest in doing anything that might disrupt the hegemony that the SEC enjoys over the rest of college football and these camps present an obvious incursion onto their turf. If anybody is shocked that the same organization who consistently and willfully turns a blind eye to recruiting payola in the SEC wants to stop camps that level the playing field just a bit they simply arent paying very close attention.
I'll make a side bet here. When all is said and done, sometime in the next 10 years we're going to find out that corruption and payoffs a-la FIFA are going on with many key officials in the NCAA They cant be that stupid and still remain alive (they'd forget to eat, breath and poop if they were) so they must be crooks.
I don't think anyone is surprised.
I agree 100% with your second paragraph. This smells just like FIFA-style corruption. The SEC has a terrible reputation for illegal payoffs to players, why not to NCAA officials?
There is simply no other rationale for this. I can't think of any other reason to do this other than to protect the turf of southern schools. None. Satellite camps potentially help kids, coaches, and schools not in the south. The only possible harm is to poor ol' SEC/ACC coaches.
This makes me disagree with your first paragraph. I think the NCAA has (or should have) a real interest in breaking up SEC hegemony. More parity around the country is good for the sport, and good for the NCAA.
The NFL is the most successful sports league for a lot of reasons - one important one is parity. Revenue sharing allows a team in Green Fucking Bay to be competitive. Ratings for the NCAA championship football game were way down last year, at least in part because 2 teams from the same region were in the game, and people are bored with 'bama winning all the time.
So, IMO the NCAA SHOULD have a vested interest in supporting rules that foster parity and removes competitive advantages. Instead, they pull this crap.
NCAA = FIFA.
In the long-term, greater parity would be better for the sport.
In the short-term, there would be an big hit to the NCAA football brand, should there be revelations of widespread, systemic cheating and impropriety. Taking down OSU and a bunch of SEC and ACC schools would mean a lot of things and not just crappy publicity. There would likely be a hit as far as TV ratings. A hit to TV ratings means less money for the NCAA, less money for ALL schools. And a hit in TV ratings means less revenue to the networks, since ad rates are based on the ratings being delivered. A lot of people with a lot of money would be pissed.
And the benefit would be for who? The Mountain Wests? The MAC? I can't see the NCAA killing the cash cow for the likes of THEM.
Yes, i know there's benefit in honesty and fair competition; but look at the political system to see how well people set up systems of fair competition when there is any possibility of obscene profit to be made by circumventing or reconstructing a fair system.
Then, just you watch, someone will say, "Well, we cleaned up football, basketball is just as dirty. Let's clean that up too."
Sadly, I agree that going all-in on compliance might damage the sport in the short run, and cleaning things up might not help from a stricly financial standpoint. It just might, however, prevent the collapse (or at least catastrophic damage) to college sports.
That said, to respond to your (perhaps rhetorical) question "who would benefit"? The BIG and the PAC, ND, BYU, and Big 12 and ACC schools not in the south, not to mention all the groups of five schools not in SEC footprint. AND the NCAA.
From a purely financial standpoint, that's a huge lost opportunity. I don't think SEC dominance is good for college football. The ratings last year proved it. The BIG and Pac 12 have huge fan bases and huge alumni networks. If the SEC continues to dominate, interest from the rest of the country will wane.
The first year of the college playoff was a giant success, and TV ratings were huge. Who played in the big game? OSU-Oregon. Last year, not so much. Who played? 'bama (yawn)-Clemson.
More parity will mean more money, not less. This ruling went against the best interests of college football as a whole. The only logical rationale is corruption.
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