NBA Draft Open Thread (Not OT - Yay!)
....they just traded their two later first rounders to get Burke, so not going to happen unless THJ falls to 46.
picks to get him means they actually value him.
Go Jazz?
Three times for number 3. I'd say it's time to call it a night. Nice work.
If Jerry Sloan and Karl Malone were still on the Jazz, I would love the idea of Trey going there. There aren't many teams that I didn't want Burke going to, but my short list would have included Utah. The only real reason is because they don't get a lot of national hype or TV time. Utah is basically like going to Canada.
Exactly. And I've always nated Utah (that state and their basketball team).
It's the NFL version of going to the Jacksonville Jaguars....
Too soon? Argh!!!!!!
The Pistons still have 2 picks, so there is hope for Timmy, but them drafting a 2 might have sealed the deal on that. I would imagine they go back up point guard and reserve big man.
and Dumars can eat my ass! I will actually take pleasure in rooting against them now...
If it makes the Pistons fans feel better, remember that the Pacers took Reggie Miller over Steve Alford.
I'm saying there is sketchy, anecdotal precedent that passing on the hometown hero will work out for the best.
I was praying for that Wolves trade to be to the Pacers.
At best he will be solid starter or bench player, which is not what this team needs. The Pistons need an identity and your identity starts at the PG spot.Right now this team has no identity, no one to sell in a league that is heavily based on selling its players.
I'm not saying Burke will be an All Star, but he would give this team an element of toughness as well as a face of the franchise--elements this team has lacked since Billups left.
I don't know why Joe D passed on Burke. Perhaps he was afraid of Mateen Part II. But Burke is a much better shooter than Mateen ever was. That fact alone gives him a better shot than Mateen at being a good NBA player.
Say what you want about Mayhew and Schwartz, but they at least understood where to begin building your team. Joe D apparently has forgotten that. He keeps thinking that he can turn SG's into PGs like Brown did with Chauncey. But Chauncey was a different player on team that had remarkable chemistry. Brandin Knight is no Chauncey Billips. Sure, they may have similiar height and games, but Billups had something special that made him perfect for the teams he helmed here in Detroit.The crucible he went through in the 5 teams he was on before he got to Detroit made Billups into the perfect PG for the "Going-to-Work" Pistons.Oh and they don't have Larry Brown as coach.
The Pistons are going the way of the Tigers afer Sparky left. It is going to be long night before the suns shines on this franchise again. By then Joe will have long been relieved of his duties.
Hardaway Jr. had a better shooting percentage last year than KCP. And he didn't even have a good year shooting the ball.
This is a disaster of a pick. This guy is never going to be a good enough shooter to justify a #8 pick.
KCP was also the only good player on a team full of scrubs. Did you watch Georgia play at all? He was basically going one on five every game in the SEC. His field goal percentage is also misleading because over half of his shots were 3s. He shot over 50% on 2pt field goals.
His true shooting % was 58, which is outstanding.
I know we're all salty about the Pistons not drafting Burke, but seriously, watch Caldwell-Pope highlights. The kid can flat out ball, shoot lights out, and he moves like a lightning bolt.
Looks like Joe D is officially hitching his job to the Brandon Knight bandwagon.
He must be really streaky, because his stats say he is an average at best shooter and is actually a considerably worse shooter than Burke. By the numbers, THJ is a better shooter than KCP.
That is extremely false. KCP's TS% which is the most accurate measurement of a player's shooting ability is much higher than Timmy's and he was the number 1 option on a team with no other competent players.
There are plenty of productive players on crap teams. Volume along guarantees gaudy numbers.
But he was volume WITH EFFICIENCY on an extremely shitty team.
The guy doesn't have All Star skills. That much is known. The Pistons have had that in Stuckey and Knight. Whoop-di-do.
KCP changes nothing about the Pistons. They still are a shitty, rudderless team that has no identity, no sizzle, and no reason to watch them play. KCP excites no one, but his mother. He probably will put up decent numbers, but the Pistons don't need 17 pgs from a SG. They need 14-7, from a PG. They need a floor general to set up Monroe, Knight, and Drummond. As of now they have no one to do that.
It isn't a coincidence that the Pistons greatest successes as a franchise came with All Stars at PG.
You have no idea what you're talking about and you've probably never even heard of Caldwell-Pope until now, let alone seen him play.
The Pistons have a ton of needs. Two of them are floor spacing and efficient guard play.
This kid is an extremely efficient scorer, dead eye long range shooter, a great rebounder for his position, and a solid defensive player. Who cares if he's an exciting name? Can he ball? That's all I care about.
Burke and Knight would be a terrible defensive back court. Which was also, as I'm sure you well know, one of the staples of those championship Pistons teams.
The Pistons also plan on bringing back one of the best passing point guards in the game, Jose Calderon to run the offense, as a stop gap. Just as an FYI, in case you quit paying attention to the Pistons half way through the year, Calderon was pretty instrumental in Andre Drummond playing like a monster down the stretch.
The rest of your post is utter nonsense.
You build teams at the PG and C positions, not the SG position. Guess what the Pistons biggest need is? PG!
You are right. Knight and Burke would be problematic defensively as a backcourt. That's why you trade Knight for a two guard. But you first have to have a floor general.
SG's can be had fairly easily in the NBA. SG and SF are dime-a-dozen. Good PGs not so much.
And if KCP is the elite talent that you make him out to be than why did he go 8th in one of the weakest drafts in NBA history?
Your post is a feeble apologia for a franchise that is ran by a bunch of graduates of "Matt Millen's School of Managerial Buffoonery". That you defend such imbeciles undercuts the quality of your points.
Oh and I even said that KCP was a decent player. I don't dispute that. But he doesn't fill a need. The SG position has become for the Pistons what receiver was for the Lions. A position constantly being filled by supposedly "good players". It never ends with this team.
You could make a very good argument that you don't really need an "all star level" point guard to build a championship team in the NBA.
The Heat's 3 championship teams in the 21st century didn't have one. The Lakers' 5 championship teams in the 21st century didn't feature one.
The Mavs didn't have one.
Tony Parker wasn't one yet during the Spurs' 1st championship.
Rajon Rondo is an all star now, but he was basically an afterthought on the Celtics' championship team in 08.
Jordan's Bulls never had one.
Who is to say that the Pistons absolutely need to follow what worked for them in the past? That doesn't make any sense.
SGs can't be had fairly easily in the NBA. Are you kidding me? There are only like 4 or 5 good ones in the entire league. James Harden, Kobe Bryant. Dwane Wade, and....who else? JR "playoff drinking" Smith? Eric "can't stay healthy" Gordon? Manu Ginobili? Joe Johnson? It's arguably the weakest position in the entire NBA, maybe even weaker than center.
My post isn't full of apologia, it's just eviscerating someone who clearly has no idea what the fuck they're talking about.
The fact that you think KCP doesn't fit a need, and the fact that you don't understand how efficiency works, implying that he was basically a looter during a riot sort of player, when that couldn't be further from the truth, says all I need to know about your basketball knowledge.
Do the Pistons have a superstar? No. So your point there fails.
Secondly, You keep blathering on about KCP and his statistics(as if he is the ONLY guy in this or any draft with decent statistics in college) when I REPEATEDLY allowed that he may be a decent player in the league. My point, Mr. Obtuse, is that all things being equal I'd much rather take a solid starter at PG than at SG because PG is historically more important to a team's success(particularly if they do not have a superstar) than a SG.
Thirdly, please name me a team with NO superstars who won championships without All Stars at either the PG or C position.
Finally, KCP is not nor likely will be a superstar in the NBA. The same will might be true for Burke. But Burke plays a much more important position than KCP does. Ergo, the pick ought to be the PG. See, I'm not even saying Burke is the better player. I'm only saying that he plays a position more crucial for a star-less team like the Pistons.
Your argument is so weak that you have to resort to strawmen. Re-read my posts. KCP as a player is not the issue here. It's who was available and the position that player plays that is the issue.
There is no need because no matter what the fact that we passed on Burke will take a while for some people to see the good side of the KCP pick
It's not so much that KCP can't be a good player, but it makes no sense to pass up on a guy that can 1) fill the void at PG and 2) instantly generate interest in the franchise.
Im right there with you and like the pope pick I live down in Georgia and see him often and people are really gonna like him. The issue is that everybody is emotional and wanted the pick with their heart when in reality it was not the best pick for the team they needed a 2 guard much more. I really believe that had trey played for MSU or OSU people would not be upset at all.
Why do the Pistons need a 2 more than a 1? Are you really sold on Brandon Knight or Jose Calderon?
Im sold on Knight being a 6th man and Calderon being a servicable stop gap the Pistions have already been linked to big intrest in Eric Bledsoe. Another issue is a Burke and Knight backcourt would be just too small, it fits better. Trust me I wanted Burke but I really feel there is a huge over reaction going on, KCP is a really good playe
Stop acting like he is Dominique Wilkins because he isn't. He simply is another Rodney Stuckey/Brandin Knight-type player who puts up decent numbers while doing little-to-nothing to materially impact wins and losses.
It was a stupid pick by an obtuse GM and a owner who knows more about hair gel than basketball.
I never said he was and for the record I love Trey but I dont think he will be an All Star either. All I am saying is that the pick is not as bad a people want to make it seem but it will be impossible to get that point across.
So was Knight. Detroit has had its' KCPs. What it hasn't had is a PG. The Pistons are team with no identity. KCP is not going to change that.
The hate is not aobut the player, but about what the team needs. It doesn't need a KCP. It needs a PG. PG and C are where you build your team, not SG and SF.(Unless you have a James) The belief that Brandin Knight is suddenly going to develop PG instincts is laughable.
All I say is let the off season play out because im pretty sure we will be very active and if we acquire a player like Bledsoe then opinions will change very fast.
Can we all agree that Trey Burke's mom had a great interview?
(and is one sexy mother)
Kinda funny that Dallas apparently can't give the 13th pick away
As long as @Trey_Burke3 was the first pg off the board I'm happy!!!!
— Corey Person (@corey_person32) June 28, 2013
I thought they traded this pick in the Burke deal?....Take Timmy!