Meyer can't get all the Ohio players because he needs faster players to play MeyerBall. There is also no need to worry about Webb going to OSU. How many times have we seen a kid from Cass tech not pan out?
National trend of Michigan's 2014 class
I think we can thank that Alabama ass kicking for an increased intensity and focus on recruiting. It was rather astute to play Alabama in order to gauge where the program was at. It was a wake up call. A realization that without elite talent, you do not beat elite teams. I doubted this staff's ability to recruit corners until yesterday. Jabrill Peppers is the truth. Condensed.
Now if only they could flip Damon Webb..
Webb is OSUs version of Ferns and the most vocal OSU recruiter with a recruit website to boot. Lets just say he is pot committed now with OSU.
IF we pull Westphal and any of Jackson, JuJu Smith, or Tabor.....I'd take that secondary and look at the Webb OSU pledge as a minor inconvenience. With the young secondary studs already at UM, we are talking about a team strength......it's been awhile since the secondary was a team strength.
ciliatory when asked about the rivalry--continually noting that some of our best players do and have come from there--is precisely the right ongoing stance in such a context.
I think Hoke has changed the tide on the rivalry. Hell people in Ohio are starting to believe him. Never in a million years I would have thought that. Selling Michigan jerseys is a good start.
Why would you need to settle with an Ohio guy when they have the opportunity to land a player like Peppers? if the coaching staff has the opportunity to land the best players in the country all around the country, why be concerned with the number of Ohio guys that they have?
in a fertile traditional recruiting ground?
If Michigan pulled in the top five guys from Texas, Florida, California, and Alabama every single year, there wouldn't be a need to maintain a presence in fertile Ohio. You want good players. It doesn't necessarily matter where they come from.
I do think Michigan should maintain a presence in Ohio, and they are (pulled in Michael Ferns, offered a few other guys, etc.). But we shouldn't be taking guys from Ohio just because they're from that sucky state down south.
We have a top rated class and I don't care where the kids attend high school.
I think that Hoke probably isnt going to worry about consistently pulling from OHIO as long as he's getting elite recruits nationwide. If HOKE and Co. truly thought that Michigan and OHIO recruits were to the key to building a program, he would pull from his network at will. But he has been very fortunate this recruiting cycle to recruit and win the best of the best. I see the way the recruiting cycle works. The best talent talk to each other and want to play with each other. So, as long as Michigan continues to win ball games (esp. against MSU and OHIO). we will lock down home state, OHIO, and potentially open ourselves to a much wider network. 5 years from now, Michigan may be on the level of Alabama and USC....i hope i hoke i hope. Go BLUE.
Ohio is #8. So, I would not worry too much about this year, especially in view of recent history.
Ask yourself. How did Tressel really "lock down" Ohio? We know he covered up cheating. Who knows how much of it was really going on? Take Clarret, Tressel’s early springboard to success. He reported academic fraud, no-show jobs, cars, and money. He said he was paid a lot more at Ohio than he got in the pros. What about Tressel's next big "success", Troy Smith? Smith said he took the rap for getting booster money because he would otherwise expose others. Indeed, many other Ohio players had also reported no show-jobs, cars and a host of other extra benefits.
So, can Ohio lock down the state without such reported cheating? Can it still afford to risk being a repeat offender? Can it forever rely on a spineless NCAA, led for the moment by an Ohio-connected guy who is now under attack?
Is he their savior? Just ask Florda, whose original turnaround was engineered not by Meyer but by Steve Spurrier . Just ask Florida, whose real recruiting success was engineered not by Meyer but by Greg Mattison. After Mattison’s recruits left, Florida declined. Then,, suddenly Meyer couldn’t beat Nick Saban.,
So what did Meyer do? Talk about chickens. He even made Notre Dame look courageous. Meyer claimed he had to leave Florida due to health concerns. Yet, his so-called heart problem turned out to reveal his real inner “chicken.” He did not have-a heart condition but an anxiety related problem--heartburn and related spasms in his esophagus..
Granted, Meyer later appeared to show recruits that he was not chicken. He said he was a returning. So, was Urban really saying: “when the going gets tough, the tough get going? “
Yes, if by “going” you mean leaving again.
After it was too late for recruits to depart with similar impunity, Meyer left Florida in a complete mess. The team was full of a bunch of criminals and drug abusers, whose self-absorption was rivaled only by that of their prima donna coach.
as Tressel did, consider that, unlike Meyer,Tressel, competed with a stranger to Ohio—Rodriguez-- and aging Lloyd Carr. Prior to Tressel, in Carr's youth, Ohio certainly did not lock down the state. Carr helped steal from Ohio two future Heisman winners and many other top players. Also, Meyer no longer has Greg Mattison to help him but must compete against him. In fact, Mattison has become an even more formidable foe since leaving Urban. He has done things that this wistful college coach can only dream of: He’s directed the best defense in the NFL—with superstars like Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. Also, unlike Tressel, Meyer now must face a far more personable and rising coach, Brady Hoke--who, like Bo Schembechler, has roots in Ohio. Brady will never pursue, with the same enthusiasm, the entitled, self-absorbed high school stars that Urban brought to Florida. Brady seeks the type of players Bo did: ones who want to play for “the team, the team, the team”
Especially considering how horrible Rich Rod was, I think that Hoke is doing an outstanding job and he is only proving himself further with these recruits coming in. It won't be long before B1G is as strong in football as it is in basketball
With a smaller class this year Michigan had to be a bit more selective. To say that Michigan just didn't really want any of the Ohio kids would be ignorant thinking though. Perhaps they didn't want as many with this class being smaller, but either way Osu has done a good job protecting its borders this year. If my memory serves me correctly most of these guys were heavy Osu leans throughout their recruiting process ( Booker comes to mind), I'm really not surprised that we didn't land a ton of those guys
Also keep in mind that we didn't see as much elite talent coming out of Ohio as we usually do, and that Michigan has done an outstanding job in-state with the elite prospects from MI.(with the exception of Webb, that did sting a bit). Michigan has more than compensated for the lack of regional recruits with high-end national talent. So as long as Michigan is able to come back and recruit the region well next year then we have nothing to worry about.
you understand Michigan and Ohio St. being two sides of the same football coin, you understand the importance of recruiting Ohio and the intensity of the rivalry.
First, to expand your valid point, it is not only tradition but also simple econoimics that fuels such rivalries. In effect, when UM "steals" a prized recruit from Ohio or dominates Michigan state recruiting, it not merely strengthen's UM but also weakens our rivals. So, the incentive to compete is greatly magnified.
At the same time, I have mixed feelings about the so-called Ohio "rivalry." TO see why, imagine that you had a weekly poker game for many years with the same guys. A long time ago, another player told you (in the words of Lloyd Carr): "we know somebody is cheating but we just can't prove it." Another player said (in the words of Bo Schembechler) that a certain player was "a snake." Then, years later, you stumble into definitive proof that that this guy had been cheating--who knows for how long--probably upwards of ten years. Then, it also becomes apparent that everybody in his family, who you regularly got together with, also knew about the cheating. But they said nothing. In fact, they laughed about it privately. They encouraged its continuation. They profited by it.
Regardless if you had a winning record for the past 25 years against this guy and others in his family, what would you think? Would the the relationship with them still be so important to you? Wouild you even call your weekly poker game a "rivalry" or a "competition"--or rather just a cynical attempt to appear like one?
Maybe you are more tolerant than me, but I'd be tempted to throw the fellow out of my house and never have anything more to do with his "family"? Tradition be damned. I'd prefer to find a new "player" for the game--one that I can trust and respect and who shares my values (maybe even someone from Stanford or Cal).
I am not sure if UM is therefore competing less than it did before with Ohio. The competition still is intense. However, while UM and Ohio are both in the B1G, they are not really in the same "league". As communication, transportation, and media make bring diverse parts of the US closer together, geographic proximity to Ohio may become less important. Thus, the type of student that comes here may increasingly be more like the type that goes to Stanford or Cal.