My daughter's application to Michigan got deferred (not waitlisted). Needless to say, she is heartbroken. My questions to my fellow Mgobloggers are these: is it better to be deferred or waitlisted? How long will she have to wait before she hears? What can she do (if anything) in the meantime to improve her chances of acceptance? Has this happened to any of you (or someone you know) and if yes, did they eventually get in or rejected? Any help along these lines would be greatly appreciated.
My daughter got deferred (not waitlisted)...what's next?
One of my best friends was deferred, they basically told her she needed to do one or two things by the end of January to get a reevaluation, she ultimately was too impatient and got accepted at MSU and went there instead... I would read what the deferment letter says and follow those directions...
She ended up getting accepted after she had already made the decision to attend State, so all hope is not lost, usually it's something minor or in my friend's case, it was during the applicant-boom where applications increased nearly 40% in one year...
I also was deferred as a transfer 2 times before getting accepted to the Kinesiology program... In my case it was GPA though...
Again stick it through, is she apart of any clubs in HS? Such as NHS, Humanities? Those help a ton... Got my brother the nod over out-of-state applicants...
Hate I break it to you but there is a cap on out of state admits that is hit every year. In-state and out-of-state applicants don't really compete against one another and it is far more difficult to earn acceptance from out of state.
My friend got deferred with a 3.7 and a 34 on his ACT. And he took like 5 AP classes. And both his parents went to the school.
It's all about those extra curriculars now. I had a 3.3 and 32 ACT and got early acceptance, but I also had plenty of extra stuff like varsity sports, Boy Scouts and stuff like that.
I worked for the admissions office in undergrad, and I can tell you it's not much about extra-curriculars at all. Maybe in a tie-breaker sort of way, but playing sports or volunteering won't make up for a point or two on your ACT.
I got into the College of Engineering with a 3.2 GPA, and got a 28 on my ACT. However, I took all International Baccalaureate (IB) classes, was in 4 varsity sports, 2 clubs, and volunteered over the summer for children with disabilities. Pretty sure that last thing is what got me into Michigan, just a hunch...
I think that Michigan is different than many liberal arts colleges. I think they are less interested in overall scores and grades than in your math and science scores and grades, if you are applying to engineering. A 34 ACT in math might be more helpful than an overall 34. They may also be more keyed in to your demographic profile than some other schools.
Difficulty of your classes in high school matters a lot. I was in a lot of AP and Honors courses and got in despite not having the greatest GPA or class rank.
Not to be a jerk, but I don't believe this.
I got in with a 3.3 gpa and a 33 act but also was in IB, played 3 varsity sports was in multiple student orgs and spent one summer working with habitiat in arkansas for two months and anothers summer working with an organization in honduras for 2 and a half months and a my last summer doing research at hopkins (i'm from baltimore). Also I was deferred originally, they told me they wanted to see my first semester senior year grades and would revisit my application, apparently it is not uncommon and it is 100% still possible to get in so your daughter should just continue to work hard and not give up if this is where she wants to go. Also reach out to the admissions office, talk to them about stuff you can do, maybe they want to see her grades or it might be something else but in my experience the admissions office was pretty easy to talk to.
Is your daughter in-state, because it is now the policy of UM to educate only people from New Jersey, California and China. Michigan residents need not apply. If you think I am just trolling, look at the percentages of in state students at UVA, UCLA, UNC and UT.
We do have a relatively high percentage of out-of-state students (which amounts to a nice little cash grab by the school) - but it's still easier to get admitted as an in-state student than out-of-state.
not trying to be political but the university is currently aiming for a 50-50 split for out of state and in state because of the cuts in funding from the state have led tuition to become over 70% of the schools budget and they want to maintain high teacher salaries and providing the other amenities that makes michigan a top school. Have a problem with it tell your legislaturs both democrat and republican to stop cutting higher education spending every year.
That's the company line. It's misleading. Yes, state appropriations have gone down, but even before the cuts started happening, tuition was soaring above the rate of inflation. For a generation now, U-M and other universities have done very little to rein in administrative costs and instead have passed the cost onto the students. Case in point: my freshman year, the GSIs walked out, complaining that their compensation was inadequate. The school caved, and both sides acted all lovey-dovey (while us students had to foot the increased bill). Three years later, the GSIs walked out again. The contract that had been perfectly fine three years earlier was now inadequate. Again, the school gave in to their demands, and again the students had to pay for it.
The school cries poverty and claims that it needs to keep on jacking up tuition to make ends meet, but at the same time it builds new dorms, brags about how rich its endowment is, and really makes no effort to streamline costs. Maybe the school needs to re-evaluate its fiscal priorities.
Can someone please explain to me why people get so up in arms about the OOS percentage? "Oh no, our University has national appeal!" "Oh no, we have all these students paying insane tuition bills to subsidize lower in-state tuition."
I mean as a public university it was founded and funded to benefit the state and residents of michigan. Out of state students tend to not stick around in the state, I know I plan on leaving, and thus don't really benefit the state. If michigan was a private school then the percentage wouldn't matter, but its a public school and thus should consider how its impacting the state and that includes what percentage of the class is in-state.
Except that many quality in state students tend to not stick around either. Brain drain is a pretty big issue in Michigan, which isn't simply because of OOS students.
Well obviously the economy isn't helping and all that but an in -state student is more likely to stick around than an out of state student. My point is the university exists at least in theory, to benefit the state of michigan not just itself and oos student percentage is something that is and should be considered.
I would love to learn a compelling reason to stay in this state. The political climate is one of the most toxic in the union. The economy sucks, especially for STEM based careers. I teach physics in Wayne county, I literally tell my students that plan on majoring in a STEM field, to not plan on living in Michigan after college. There are better areas in the country to start a family and career than Michigan. Am I helping to prevent the brain drain, nope. It isn't like any of the corporate, industrial, and government leaders of the state are helping as well. Last one out of the state of Michigan turn out the lights.
As someone who grew up in Michigan and went on to live in Illinois and California for a combined 15 years before moving back to MI, I am comfortable saying you know not of what you speak regarding toxic political climate. Yes, it is quite bad in MI, but it's just as bad and worse in many other states (not all). I was shocked at the sliminess of California politics. Ask people in Wisconsin about their current political climate... sadly, it's a national thing. How many Illinois governors in a row went to jail? Yeah...
At the end of the day I do kind of agree with your position on better places to live and raise a family, state wise, but A2 is a pretty neat place overall.
After too many years away, I long to return to the pleasant peninsula. Any day now, I hope.
While I was born and raised in Michigan, graduated from M, and left the state of Michigan soon after, I also feel that the citizens of the state should have an advantage over non-citizens. It's the tax payers that fund that school and by golly, they have a right to go there. (At least be preferred to a certain percentage = 60/40?) The state of Michigan may not have that many rocket scientists, but it's still the state of Michigan's school.
Except the taxpayers barely fund the school and have complete control in who the select to run the school.
Don't compare Michigan to UCLA or Texas because those schools are in huge states where a much higher percentage of their applications are from in-state. Michigan is not like that.
What about UNC? 80% of its student population is in-state and it is highly regarded as well.
This is an interesting comparison. UNC is known for its high in-state population - it is very difficult to get in if you are OOS. It'd be interesting to hear an admissions person compare the two.
Michigan residents have every advantage compared to out of state applicants. If you want those advantages to be even more pronounced vote for serious funding of higher education.
My friend got deferred with a 3.7 and a 34 on his ACT. And he took like 5 AP classes. And both his parents went to the school.
Are you sure your friend's telling you the truth about all that? If he has all those credentials and is a double-legacy, he should have gotten in, no problem.
Yea....this is simply not true
Based on this site (http://www.admissions.umich.edu/drupal/deferred) deferred is better than wait list. Seems to mean still in the running but ask again later as opposed to "no unless spots open up" if that makes sense. Either way best of luck to her.
sounds like they should let you know by early April...
Sounds like she is in limbo; she didn't make the 1st "admit her" cut, so they keep her in application pool for when the next batch of admissions comes out
"To be able to offer admissions to the best qualified applicants, the first review guidelines are set at a very competitive level. Students with strong credentials who are not offered admission on first review are deferred; the latest they will receive a final decision of admit, deny, or waitlist will be early April."
I knew people who got in off the waitlist. Don't remember if the deferred program was in existance when I applied many moons ago.
Defferred just means "we'll deal with this later" (i.e. March. I think.). Same thing as the coin flip in football. I guess they want the class to come in to clearer view before pulling the trigger one way or the other.
best of luck to you. I was originally wait-listed, but got in a few months later. I hear it is better to be deferred than wait-listed. I am now a PhD student at UM, so this occurred 8 years ago or so. not sure if helpful, but gives hope
Really sucks, but they basically just want to see the rest of the class before they accept you. I had a 3.6 GPA unweighted and scored a 28 on the ACT, took almost every AP class and was apart of a few clubs along with the Varsity baseball team. Like me, she has the grades to get in, they just want to compare her application with other applications before giving up an acceptance spot to someone who may not have as good as a resume as the other applicants.
Don't confuse "apart" with "a part." They are complete opposites.
Must be why he got deferred.
Deferred means that the admissions committee is not prepared to grant early admission nor outright reject and application by the early action deadline. She'll either be accepted, rejected, or waitlisted during the normal decision period.
You can't get waitlisted at this stage of applying. When you apply ealy action/early decision, there are three possible outcomes.The first two are accepted and rejected, which speak for themselves.
The third is deferred. Deferred basically means that they think you may be good enough to get in, but they want to see how you compare against the larger, regular decision pool. No one who applies early ever gets waitlisted, you can only get wait listed after you hear back at the regular decision deadline.
Basically, now that your daughter's deferred, it means that Michigan wants to see more of her credentials. This probably means sending in her first semester senior year grades, any new standardized tests she's taken, or whatever else the school asks for or you think would help her case.
Then, once they get all that, they will make a decision on her application along with the rest of the regular decision kids. At that point, she will either get accepted, rejected, or waitlisted.
As for when she'll hear back, I'm not sure. My guess is the latest she'll hear back is whenever the deadline for telling regular decision kids their results are, which is sometime in April I think, but it could possibly be much earlier. It varies.
As for personal experiences, I go to Michigan now as a freshman. I know many kids who got in after being deferred and currently go here. But I also know a few kids from my high school who got rejected after being deferred. One of the kids I know who got in heard back 3 weeks after he was deferred. While I doubt your daughter will hear back that soon, it is possible I guess.
I was deferred which was extremely annoying as I applied early and I had hoped to just get a decision either way. I don't remember when I got deferred exactly, but I was sent a letter about my rejection and option to wait list in April. My brother had the same thing happen, but he eventually got in. I would recommend to the op that your daughter moves on to other options, but she could very well make in at some point. It ain't over til it's over.
I don't have a ton of experience in this, but it should definitely be better to be deferred than wait listed. Being deferred means that her application definitely has another shot with the application committee. She'll find out a decision whenever the pool of all the regular decision applicants finds out, which I'm guessing is in March-April. But it could be different since Michigan is rolling admissions, or at least it was when I applied back in '07.
Being wait listed just means that she'll only get in if enough people who were accepted decide not to attend. And she might not find that out until the summer.
I don't think there's much she can do except play the waiting game, which is unfortunately the hardest part. But again, I wasn't deferred or wait listed, so I'm not the best authority on this matter. But best of luck to your daughter.
I got deferred when applying and they asked for 7th semester transcripts. It makes a huge difference to admissions if they see a senior taking tough classes and still getting good grades rather than blowin off senior year. If your daughter had a good semester find a way to send in those grades, it made the difference for me.
I'm a high school senior that was accepted yesterday! However, a bunch of my friends - including many of whom had similar resumes to me - were deffered. Getting deffered, while it sucks, does not mean that she won't get in. Many students that got in early will opt not to attend (like myself...), which will open up plenty more spots.
For early action, they typically take the top crop of students. The ones that are boderline, or even slightly above borderline, get deffered, and pooled in with the regualr applicants. Then, they evaluate the rest of the applications, and see where they stack up. They are also looking to see how the student did first semester of his/her senior year. If the student took hard classes and got good grades, then they have a very good chance of getting in. Deffered applicants should find out around February, and a large group of them will be accepted. As long as your daughter does well in her first semester, while taking difficult classes, she should be accepted. She still has a very good shot of ending up at Michigan.
Deffered is much better than waitlisted. I'd put odds of getting accepted once deffered at around 50%. Getting accepted once waitlisted is closer to 10%.
Out of curiosity, why are you opting not to attend?
I was accepted early decision to Northwestern on Thursday. While I love Michigan, and will always be a huge Michigan fan, I feel that Northwestern is a better fit for me.
Congrats. College is a great time and Chicago is an awesome city, so its hard to imagine any combination of the two being anything other than an awesome four (or more) years.
Well, we wish you luck in your endeavour at Northwestern and hope you do very well there, so long as your interests don't conflict with ours.
Thanks! I will always root for Michigan - unless they are playing NU of course!
Virgil Sollozo (the Turk)
there is a chance you will sit next to Selena in a class at NU.
That would be a dream come true.
I wouldn't rush to that decision. A lot of people prefer Michigan to Northwestern. I have a good friend who grew up in Michigan and went to Northwestern, and her biggest regret in life is choosing NW just because the rankings told her it was a better school. I also have a handful of friends who went to Michigan for undergrad and NW for grad school, and they were all so glad they weren't there for undergrad.
Don't get me wrong, NW has a lot going for it too. I just hope you're making the decision for the right reasons.
He doesn't have a choice, early decision is binding, he has to go to Northwestern.
Ah yes, I somehow missed that in his second post. In that case, good luck at NW.
How do they enforce that? Do they make you give them a big deposit off the bat?
I know Northwestern very well. Both my parents went there, and I've visited dozens of times. I feel very comfortable with the school, and can't wait to be a Wilcat! I also plan on doing grad school at Michigan.
Stop making decisions that are better fits for you. This is Michigan!
NW awesome man. You'll love it. I went there for med school after undergrad at Michigan and ended up staying for residency, and now working there.
Michigan > Everywhere else.
my advice is to wait till the very end (the decision deadline) and have her send emails to the admissions office periodically until then.
I graduated high school in 2006, so things might have changed since then, but I applied to Michigan before Halloween and got deferred. They told me they wanted to see my 7th semester grades before reaching a decision.
When I got to Michigan and asked why that happened, they said that they might do that with students from high schools that don't normally send students to Michigan. That was the only explanation I got. However, I went to one of the best high schools in the state of Illinois even though not many people went to U of M (from my class of about 800, only two of us went to Michigan).
I know that's only my experience, but maybe it helps.
EDIT: Also, I had something like a 3.6 GPA, 32 ACT, and was an all-State soccer player.
Soccer's for NU grads, it is
Also, something else that I remember from last year's process, there are actually 3 types of deferral letters. Each one says something different, and depending on which letter your daughter received, that may say something about her chances.
If you don't mind, could you post the first few entences of the letter your daughter received? If you did that, I could try and tell what the general consensus on that letter is.
Something like if it sounds good, like they say you are in a special group, it's actually bad. If it's just a standard message or they say they might want your grades, it's apparantely good.
I received the one that says my application is sufficient enough as is, but I can send in my grades if I please. I had a 3.5 last quarter with 3 CAP courses and a 97 in CAP economics, which is what I want to major in, and this quarter I have a 3.7, so I don't think it will make too much of a difference since it is just an average year for me.
Obviously there is still hope. But if things don't work out, and your daughter is deadset on michigan, keep in mind the possibility of tranferring in. My suggestion--again, if she doesn't get in directly--would be to contact the admissions office. Ask them what schools they typically accept transfers from and what types of courses are likely to transfer over.
This is a very real option that too few students take advantage of. If she does well in her first few semesters at another school, there is a very real chance that Michigan would accept her. She would only lose one year at michigan. And future employers will only care about where she graduated from, not the school she went to for her freshman year.
I transferred in as a sophomore. Although I applied in high school, and got wait-listed, I made the crazy decision to follow my high school boyfriend somewhere else. I never found out whether I got in or not. Of course, that didn't work out. With a 4.0 from my freshman year at another school, I got in, no problem.
ITT, we post our ACT scores and high school GPAs.
ITT We try to be helpful instead of the standard mgoblog protocol of making fun of people.
I had a 2.9 and never took the ACT, but I also had half a season of freshman cross country and my mom was hooking up with Lee Bollinger.
I grew up in the hills and didn't have much book learnin' (never did figure out all those algebras and englishes), but I was the first in my family to wear shoes, so they let me in.
could anyone elaborate on the lifestyle of a michigan engineering student? just curious
the lifestyle of all engineers everywhere sucks
I graduated in '07 with a bachelor's in aerospace . I ended up with a 3.7 GPA, so I'd say I did fairly well. Here's my 2 cents:
Michigan Engineering is very difficult in that it requires a lot of discipline and will consume a lot more of your free time than you probably anticipate. That being said, I do think nearly everyone accepted to the school is capable of succeeding.
Obviously the cirriculum will be easier for some than others. What matters is how much effort you're willing to put into it. I did not consider myself one of the most naturally intelligent people in the program, but I worked just as hard as anyone and, not to pat myself on the back, did well. I had to attend office hours very frequently (probably more than your average student) but it paid off in the end.
I still had a very regular social life (attended all the football games, partied on the weekends regulary), but I'd say I had to work about 10 hours a day Sunday through Friday to get things done (between class, homework and group projects).
I've been working in the industry for about 4 years now as a stress engineer and I've got to say I think I have one of the best jobs on the planet. I couldn't imagine doing anything outside of engineering. So if you enjoy working hard and being challenged, the engineering school is a great option.
and I want to go crawl in a hole and cry 97% of the time.
oh and i think you still have a very good chance after being deferred. lots of the top students will be accepting spots they already found out about at other top schools so she won't have to compete with them RD and expressed interest by applying early
Im a junior living in IL. Is the out of state truly 55k or do they lower it substantially like some colleges?
Whatever is posted on the website is what you pay.
Out of stater here. Yes you pay the full amount. No they don't lower it. And yes every year it increases, and by a larger percentage than the in state. (i.e. this past year it increased by like 6%, while in-state was like 3%). We pay for the in-staters basically.
the tuition/r&b, fees do not change but financial aid (based on need) is available. financial aid applications go out after january.
you should apply early action (deadline wil be around Oct 15-check web site) and a decsion will be made (or deferred ) at this time next year.
I was deferred or wait listed (don't actually remember the specific bucket) for under grad b-school---when it used to be a 2 year program
Basically, I would advise that she do well in her final semester of high school and the write a 1 page essay explaining how her activities helped prepare her for the rigors of UM
I got straight A's my final semester
My time management improved through my dedication to literacy from volunteering at a local center for kids
Finally, I was able to contribute to a district title in softball
Essentially just send a one page outlining positive developments since her initial application and make the decision easy for the admissions people.
Good luck! If her heart is set on UM she'll make it happen, worst case go have the best 4 years of your life in another settling. I was always struck by peers freaking out if they didn't get into the grad program or course of study they wanted. If you're so easily defeated by such a set back--you wouldn't achieve your goals anyway.
Soap box over--Good luck!
she's yawning, but will rinse and repeat later.
After you have read everything. ask them what to do. They will give you an answer. You can do one better by coming into the office and talking with an officer here.
I was deferred with a 29 act, 4.0, and 8 extracurriculars, 4 ap courses and it sucks but it may be a good thing anyway because in reality I can't afford out of state tuition anyway. Fingers are still crossed.
Out of curiosity, how did you have eight curriculars? What were they?
4 varsity sports. ambassador, NHS, academic challenge, and student council.
I don't know you and mean the following in the nicest possible way...
I might be skeptical of a student that loads up on many extra-curriculars instead of devoting serious time to a specific few. Obviously, a varsity sport is a major commitment. However, the other four, to me, scream resume padders.
THAT IS UNLESS, you do something noteworthy in those roles. I always remember NHS and student council as basically little commitment, little leadership opportunity, little real worthiness. Perhaps, what an admin officer would rather see is leadership roles vs. a large number of activities.
That said, maybe you had leadership roles in each. Also, most of those activities are all activities that just about every other applicant has. You just have a couple more of them, which again goes back to what did you do in that role.
team capt. on 3 of 4 teams and NHS treasurer
That sucks she did not get in but I really don't think extracurriculars mean as much as people think unless you did something significant not just be a part of some club or sports team. It's great that people are sharing their admissions experiences and comparing numbers but I think a very valuable bit of info is either what year you applied or when you graduated. Seems to me that admissions conditions changed a lot over the years in terms of number of applications, the affirmative action thing, plus in and out of state tuition to name a few. I'd be curious to know how average GPA or SAT/ACT scores trended over the years....
In all honesty it is time to use any connections. If you can get a face to face with a "higher up" in the admissions department to "just talk about what else she can do" she will be OK. That would show that she really wants in at UofM and puts a face to a name. My buddy did that and got accepted a month after his "face to face"/"NOT interview" as they called it.
Connections my good friend, connections. Good luck and God's speed.
Just something that I've seen on the board a number of times lately.
Origin of GOD SPEED
Middle English god speid, from the phrase God spede you; God prosper you. First Known Use: 15th century
Y'all's first mistake was taking the ACT. Vastly inferior test, if only because I don't know enough about it to tell a good from a bad score, and that annoys me. Stop making me look at SAT/ACT conversion charts!
I had to send in my first semester grades of my senior year and shortly thereafter I was accepted. Good luck to your daughter.
waited it out, sent them my grades from first half of Senior year, got into the Michigan in April, went on and graduated April 2012. Just tell her to have some patience and not slack off during her Senior year, despite how much she may want to.
From my experience kids who were deferred usually had at least one C on their transcript.
Pretty sure that at this point, deferred is pretty much equivalent to waitlisted (I don't think you can be waitlisted yet). Thats not to say they won't get into the school in the next wave though, because plenty that are deferred get in during the next wave. However, It isn't until they have sent out all of there acceptances do people get put on the waitlist, which is in a few months. I could be wrong though, but that was my understanding of it.
While I didn't apply to Michigan, I applied to OSU and Tulane. I had a 3.7 ACT 28, 2 AP classes and took post secondary classes at a local univeristy, played two sports, worked throughtout school and partcipated in several activities. I got deferred from Tulane and pretty much they require you to enroll elsewhere and then reapply as a transfer student. I'm not sure what the conditions of deferral are for Michigan, so that's something you may want to read in the letter. Eventually I just went on ahead to OSU and stayed there.
I'm not sure if she applied to other schools but one option might be to go to another well respected school in [insert state here] and then transfer but typically what solidifies ones school is funding. Its kinda hard to get scholarships transferred, and even harder to get institutional scholarships onces you are a transferstudent.
Sidenote: Althought I didn't go to Tulane, about three faculty members from the schools had jobs there and one had his PhD from there. They ended up teaching at OSU for the program I was enrolled in so it was like I got part of the Tulane education through them. Maybe something as crazy as this could happen for you....
Best of luck!
Deferred is not bad at all, it just means that they need a bit more time. I was deferred and was accepted a month or so later. It's actually better than being waitlisted. So chin up, wot.
I have a 3.667 1986 SAT and about 150 community service hours. Along with being a leader of our Campus Ministry and Voice of all three baseball teams at my school.
What can I do to help my chances?
Frankly, I got chummy with the admissions people. Not pushy or anything, but just sent them a note saying how Michigan was at the top of my list, how I'd go if they accepted me, and the obligatory "Go Blue!" (They like that.)
Well it worked, they accepted me after I got deferred. For further reference I had a 3.12 GPA, 2160 SAT, and through a colossal oversight left the extracurriculars section of my application blank except for football, so it appeared as though I did basically nothing outside of school.
I've read a lot about it and they keep saying to write letters and to try as hard as possible your first semester in senior year.
Hope she gets in.
I was deferred last December and like other posters above have said they basically say just get some things in order. I received admission in February. I know what your daughter is going through because I was heartbroken too but it's the end of the world and she still has a very good chance.
2010 - My son was deferred => then waitlisted => then rejected. He transferred into Michigan LS&A after 1 year at another school. He was a 3.6 and 31 ACT.
2012 - My daughter was just deferred with 3.75 and 29 ACT and had applied to COE. She is not happy either
My wife and I are Alumni as was my father. As noted above her brother is a current student. I got a note from the Ross bschool asking for money today, not good timing.
With my son we worked the Alumni thing and admissions to no avail.
Getting into Michigan is far from scientific but a deferral is not a rejection so tell her to hang in their while working on a backup plan.
WSJ had a great article today about how the price of public university tution has skyrocketed.
As an out-of-stater, now, there is no way in hell I would send my kid to Michigan given the cost.
The 2012-13 $39K in tuition alone is compareable to Hopkins, UPenn, and Carnegie Mellon in my area.
My wife and I are both alumni and loved/love the school and the opportunities it provided us, but jeez, it's pricey.
Best of luck. Hopefully she gets in