Virgil Sollozo (the Turk)
Virgil Sollozo (the Turk)
there is a chance you will sit next to Selena in a class at NU.
That would be a dream come true.
I wouldn't rush to that decision. A lot of people prefer Michigan to Northwestern. I have a good friend who grew up in Michigan and went to Northwestern, and her biggest regret in life is choosing NW just because the rankings told her it was a better school. I also have a handful of friends who went to Michigan for undergrad and NW for grad school, and they were all so glad they weren't there for undergrad.
Don't get me wrong, NW has a lot going for it too. I just hope you're making the decision for the right reasons.
He doesn't have a choice, early decision is binding, he has to go to Northwestern.
Ah yes, I somehow missed that in his second post. In that case, good luck at NW.
How do they enforce that? Do they make you give them a big deposit off the bat?
I know Northwestern very well. Both my parents went there, and I've visited dozens of times. I feel very comfortable with the school, and can't wait to be a Wilcat! I also plan on doing grad school at Michigan.
Stop making decisions that are better fits for you. This is Michigan!
NW awesome man. You'll love it. I went there for med school after undergrad at Michigan and ended up staying for residency, and now working there.
Michigan > Everywhere else.
my advice is to wait till the very end (the decision deadline) and have her send emails to the admissions office periodically until then.
I graduated high school in 2006, so things might have changed since then, but I applied to Michigan before Halloween and got deferred. They told me they wanted to see my 7th semester grades before reaching a decision.
When I got to Michigan and asked why that happened, they said that they might do that with students from high schools that don't normally send students to Michigan. That was the only explanation I got. However, I went to one of the best high schools in the state of Illinois even though not many people went to U of M (from my class of about 800, only two of us went to Michigan).
I know that's only my experience, but maybe it helps.
EDIT: Also, I had something like a 3.6 GPA, 32 ACT, and was an all-State soccer player.
Soccer's for NU grads, it is
Also, something else that I remember from last year's process, there are actually 3 types of deferral letters. Each one says something different, and depending on which letter your daughter received, that may say something about her chances.
If you don't mind, could you post the first few entences of the letter your daughter received? If you did that, I could try and tell what the general consensus on that letter is.
Something like if it sounds good, like they say you are in a special group, it's actually bad. If it's just a standard message or they say they might want your grades, it's apparantely good.
I received the one that says my application is sufficient enough as is, but I can send in my grades if I please. I had a 3.5 last quarter with 3 CAP courses and a 97 in CAP economics, which is what I want to major in, and this quarter I have a 3.7, so I don't think it will make too much of a difference since it is just an average year for me.
Obviously there is still hope. But if things don't work out, and your daughter is deadset on michigan, keep in mind the possibility of tranferring in. My suggestion--again, if she doesn't get in directly--would be to contact the admissions office. Ask them what schools they typically accept transfers from and what types of courses are likely to transfer over.
This is a very real option that too few students take advantage of. If she does well in her first few semesters at another school, there is a very real chance that Michigan would accept her. She would only lose one year at michigan. And future employers will only care about where she graduated from, not the school she went to for her freshman year.
I transferred in as a sophomore. Although I applied in high school, and got wait-listed, I made the crazy decision to follow my high school boyfriend somewhere else. I never found out whether I got in or not. Of course, that didn't work out. With a 4.0 from my freshman year at another school, I got in, no problem.
ITT, we post our ACT scores and high school GPAs.
ITT We try to be helpful instead of the standard mgoblog protocol of making fun of people.
I had a 2.9 and never took the ACT, but I also had half a season of freshman cross country and my mom was hooking up with Lee Bollinger.
I grew up in the hills and didn't have much book learnin' (never did figure out all those algebras and englishes), but I was the first in my family to wear shoes, so they let me in.
could anyone elaborate on the lifestyle of a michigan engineering student? just curious
the lifestyle of all engineers everywhere sucks
I graduated in '07 with a bachelor's in aerospace . I ended up with a 3.7 GPA, so I'd say I did fairly well. Here's my 2 cents:
Michigan Engineering is very difficult in that it requires a lot of discipline and will consume a lot more of your free time than you probably anticipate. That being said, I do think nearly everyone accepted to the school is capable of succeeding.
Obviously the cirriculum will be easier for some than others. What matters is how much effort you're willing to put into it. I did not consider myself one of the most naturally intelligent people in the program, but I worked just as hard as anyone and, not to pat myself on the back, did well. I had to attend office hours very frequently (probably more than your average student) but it paid off in the end.
I still had a very regular social life (attended all the football games, partied on the weekends regulary), but I'd say I had to work about 10 hours a day Sunday through Friday to get things done (between class, homework and group projects).
I've been working in the industry for about 4 years now as a stress engineer and I've got to say I think I have one of the best jobs on the planet. I couldn't imagine doing anything outside of engineering. So if you enjoy working hard and being challenged, the engineering school is a great option.
and I want to go crawl in a hole and cry 97% of the time.
oh and i think you still have a very good chance after being deferred. lots of the top students will be accepting spots they already found out about at other top schools so she won't have to compete with them RD and expressed interest by applying early
Im a junior living in IL. Is the out of state truly 55k or do they lower it substantially like some colleges?
Whatever is posted on the website is what you pay.
Out of stater here. Yes you pay the full amount. No they don't lower it. And yes every year it increases, and by a larger percentage than the in state. (i.e. this past year it increased by like 6%, while in-state was like 3%). We pay for the in-staters basically.
the tuition/r&b, fees do not change but financial aid (based on need) is available. financial aid applications go out after january.
you should apply early action (deadline wil be around Oct 15-check web site) and a decsion will be made (or deferred ) at this time next year.
I was deferred or wait listed (don't actually remember the specific bucket) for under grad b-school---when it used to be a 2 year program
Basically, I would advise that she do well in her final semester of high school and the write a 1 page essay explaining how her activities helped prepare her for the rigors of UM
I got straight A's my final semester
My time management improved through my dedication to literacy from volunteering at a local center for kids
Finally, I was able to contribute to a district title in softball
Essentially just send a one page outlining positive developments since her initial application and make the decision easy for the admissions people.
Good luck! If her heart is set on UM she'll make it happen, worst case go have the best 4 years of your life in another settling. I was always struck by peers freaking out if they didn't get into the grad program or course of study they wanted. If you're so easily defeated by such a set back--you wouldn't achieve your goals anyway.
Soap box over--Good luck!
she's yawning, but will rinse and repeat later.
After you have read everything. ask them what to do. They will give you an answer. You can do one better by coming into the office and talking with an officer here.
I was deferred with a 29 act, 4.0, and 8 extracurriculars, 4 ap courses and it sucks but it may be a good thing anyway because in reality I can't afford out of state tuition anyway. Fingers are still crossed.
Out of curiosity, how did you have eight curriculars? What were they?
4 varsity sports. ambassador, NHS, academic challenge, and student council.
I don't know you and mean the following in the nicest possible way...
I might be skeptical of a student that loads up on many extra-curriculars instead of devoting serious time to a specific few. Obviously, a varsity sport is a major commitment. However, the other four, to me, scream resume padders.
THAT IS UNLESS, you do something noteworthy in those roles. I always remember NHS and student council as basically little commitment, little leadership opportunity, little real worthiness. Perhaps, what an admin officer would rather see is leadership roles vs. a large number of activities.
That said, maybe you had leadership roles in each. Also, most of those activities are all activities that just about every other applicant has. You just have a couple more of them, which again goes back to what did you do in that role.
team capt. on 3 of 4 teams and NHS treasurer
That sucks she did not get in but I really don't think extracurriculars mean as much as people think unless you did something significant not just be a part of some club or sports team. It's great that people are sharing their admissions experiences and comparing numbers but I think a very valuable bit of info is either what year you applied or when you graduated. Seems to me that admissions conditions changed a lot over the years in terms of number of applications, the affirmative action thing, plus in and out of state tuition to name a few. I'd be curious to know how average GPA or SAT/ACT scores trended over the years....
In all honesty it is time to use any connections. If you can get a face to face with a "higher up" in the admissions department to "just talk about what else she can do" she will be OK. That would show that she really wants in at UofM and puts a face to a name. My buddy did that and got accepted a month after his "face to face"/"NOT interview" as they called it.
Connections my good friend, connections. Good luck and God's speed.
Just something that I've seen on the board a number of times lately.
Origin of GOD SPEED
Middle English god speid, from the phrase God spede you; God prosper you. First Known Use: 15th century
Y'all's first mistake was taking the ACT. Vastly inferior test, if only because I don't know enough about it to tell a good from a bad score, and that annoys me. Stop making me look at SAT/ACT conversion charts!
I had to send in my first semester grades of my senior year and shortly thereafter I was accepted. Good luck to your daughter.
waited it out, sent them my grades from first half of Senior year, got into the Michigan in April, went on and graduated April 2012. Just tell her to have some patience and not slack off during her Senior year, despite how much she may want to.
From my experience kids who were deferred usually had at least one C on their transcript.
Pretty sure that at this point, deferred is pretty much equivalent to waitlisted (I don't think you can be waitlisted yet). Thats not to say they won't get into the school in the next wave though, because plenty that are deferred get in during the next wave. However, It isn't until they have sent out all of there acceptances do people get put on the waitlist, which is in a few months. I could be wrong though, but that was my understanding of it.
While I didn't apply to Michigan, I applied to OSU and Tulane. I had a 3.7 ACT 28, 2 AP classes and took post secondary classes at a local univeristy, played two sports, worked throughtout school and partcipated in several activities. I got deferred from Tulane and pretty much they require you to enroll elsewhere and then reapply as a transfer student. I'm not sure what the conditions of deferral are for Michigan, so that's something you may want to read in the letter. Eventually I just went on ahead to OSU and stayed there.
I'm not sure if she applied to other schools but one option might be to go to another well respected school in [insert state here] and then transfer but typically what solidifies ones school is funding. Its kinda hard to get scholarships transferred, and even harder to get institutional scholarships onces you are a transferstudent.
Sidenote: Althought I didn't go to Tulane, about three faculty members from the schools had jobs there and one had his PhD from there. They ended up teaching at OSU for the program I was enrolled in so it was like I got part of the Tulane education through them. Maybe something as crazy as this could happen for you....
Best of luck!