So much for being rational
My 2010 UM Prediction UPDATED
You took the words right out of my mouth. I think he needs to change his name to DrunkAndIrrational(Typical)MSUfan.
You could just make that "MSU fan". The rest of it makes it redundant
Classic case of premature etrollication by this State fan.
after this thread, he'll never be able to start one again.
so many people "loved" a rational opposing fan that now he has to make a new thread every time he comes on here to "rationally" explain how UM will make zero progress and lose to 7 teams next year. of course MSU will go 9-3 according to this poster.
to the OP - you obviously pride yourself on being reasonable and come on here to 'try to discuss the issues' but not every offering has to be a new post. Irish doesn't do it. various Buckeyes don't. you don't either. try being a 'member' of the board instead of trying to imply some statesmanship and a constant demand for attention by making a new post every time. shit wouldn't fly if an mgoblog member did it on RCMB - why are you doing it here?
is gonna rip the panties out of our crotch and make us eat them.
We needz another year fore we can beat they butts
listed it as a win while marking it as a loss
Sounds like a future Freep writer to me!
There is little rational in this post, sorry.
EDIT: Also - does this mean that RVB, Woolfolk, and Mouton are ??? players? Even though they're returning starters in their 4th (or 5th) season in the program? You know enough about our program to sound rational, but you don't know enough to give a true analysis.
Ofcourse theres a good chance he has a ski mask on that is limiting his sight!
He's wearing it backwards.
that many of our returning starters are "minus" or ??? players but he fully expects their freshmen running backs to be producers. So much for following the same line of logic. He has stated that he doesn't bye into the Big Will(or freshmen) hype because he hasn't seem them on the field yet it is different with MSU's incoming players. Plus, who are all the great "playe makers" at the WR position?
he's referring to what will be MSU's sophomore running backs, those being true freshman starters Caper and Baker
I agree, and the fact that 2 of his 3 minus players (and maybe all three) might not even be starters this fall. Even though one of his minus players made the freshman all-Big Ten last year as well as second team freshman all-american. And we have 3 returning starters that are ???. I understand giving a guy who hasn't had a lot of PT the ??? treatment, but 3 returning starters?
but any chance of you being rational left when you decided that ND's quarterback situation would be anything but turbulent by week 2. It looks like you worked hard on this but you lost me after your ND analysis.
EDIT: First poster beat me to it
But let me guess...
You have us losing to MSU, right?
was added to the schedule last year.
To me, this oversite overshadows any rationale you tried to bring to your opinion since you used it as a knock on the Michigan AD and their scheduling.
1. If you had simply reversed your ND (Zero QB ) and UConn (RRs historical ownage of huskies) picks, it would have been huge in terms of your credibility in evaluating teams.
2. I think you meant to say Loss for the OSU game.
3. I don't see how "our defense will blow" and we beat Wiscy (the team best suited to rail-road us into submission with power running). You can't just make up assumptions and abandon them halfway.
That being said, MSU is indeed going to be the better team this year. I am just hoping as hell we play out of minds and pull this one off.
Whip that Buckeye ass twice on the same day. Show up early for the Indiana game and beat them Friday night. And beat Central after Sparty loses to them (again.)
i trust your prediction for anything UM related as much as i'd trust an msu student to do my chemistry homework.
1) We are tired of posts predicting UM's w/l record by our own fanbase or even by the "experts"
2) We do not like folks from other teams making agenda-laden posts, i.e., trolls (e.g., Irish walks the non-troll line well)
3) You, from another team, made an agenda-laden post predicting next-season's w/l record
Conclusion: You are currently a troll. Go away for a while. Come back later. Post better.
We have multiply playmakers at WR, a strong stable of TE's and I'm expecting an improvement from our true freshman RB's. OL is the only concern on offense. I acknowlege it is a large concern.
Uhhhh. What multiple playmakers are at WR? Playmakers implies dynamic game changers. Dantonio had to move a QB to the WR position in order to flesh out the roster. The amount of looks Nichols get reflects the LIMIT at the position, not the depth. Further, having a "Stable" of TEs is worthless unless you put 5 out at a time. You took a WR and made him a FULLBACK. And the only concern on offense is OL? You know, the thing that allowed and assisted your Freshman RBs to play as well as they did? The OL is EVERYTHING. It's why UM was even worse than their qbs played in 08 and why, in 09, UM was better. It's also why in '10 UM will be even better.
Tell me, what dynamic elements of UConn's defense implies that they will be able to slow UM down? What's more, with their decimated offensive line and a lack of true returning RB the likes of an heir apparent, why, aside from the loss of Graham, would the UM defense not be able to more properly contain the Husky offense? Or is your analysis solely based on the "LOL UM LOL" meme that finds UConn considerable? Remember who else was supposed to beat UM last year? WMU.
You've built up a board presence by toeing a line and not falling into Spartan Tailgate-level "we're better, suck it"ness. But this post just shows all you're in it for is the attention. Try posting in general topic threads about the Big Ten. There's about 9000. That doesn't interest you, though, because it's not about you. Also a Loss @Purdue but a win at home against Wisconsin is a joke.
There's absolutely zero 'expert' analysis on here. The fact I understand the complexities of these games and Big Ten rosters better than you shows two things: (1) I would never dream of trying to describe my 'prediction' in the vein that it would come off as me thinking I'm an expert and (2) you never should have.
that Geaux Blue is more knowledgeable about Spartan personnel than Mr. Rational himself? Or should we cut him some slack, since he's been so busy over here professing his expertise on all things maize and blue?
it's always a losing battle. I married a Spartan and she's learned that she can know absolutely NOTHING about MSU and still get under my skin by bringing up if they win/beat UM, etc. and when I try to point out a UM loss she's able to fully embrace the "i don't care anyways." eventually I'm left screaming "LLOYD CARR IS A BRILLIANT MAN!"
sadly i would also assert i probably do know more about MSU's roster than this guy. not UFR-level... but definitely enough.
FYI that dane cook sketch is my home to a t.
Yeah I agree. How is MSU's offense going to be so great? The running game is going to take a step back with an inexperienced OL, and the passing game lost Blair White. I think by playmakers he means punch throwers in term of how to describe the WRs.
I think it was another typo, he meant haymakers
Also a Loss @Purduebut a win at home against Wisconsin is a joke.
That's where it went from the worst-case scenario to just no.
Maybe he was refering to the WR's from the MSU version of "The Longest Yard" .
was irrational about it? Pessimistic? Certainly. Totally out of the realm of possibility? No way.
was a mockery of his "rational MSU fan" monicker.
you are correct. it may be rational. but it's dumb.
is it dumber than me saying that i hope our two linebackers who were not very good last year will be better after learning a new system and having more youth and inexperience in back and in front of them?
i really hope they will be better, but to admit a scenario where they are not based on what we have seen so far is not dumb.
considering his analysis is entirely based upon MSU developing in full while UM staying stagnant in some ways and becoming worse in others (DEFENSE IS DEAD GRAHAM IS GONE GERG DIED FOR OUR SINS), he has a slanted view. your view is one that breeds optimism that also accepts equivalent development in other teams. your view would reflect on the MSU situation and say that the running game at MSU might develop with the RBs being a year stronger, etc. however it would also include their O-Line being cut in half - an O-Line, mind you, that wasn't very sound last year to begin with.
see the problem with the above analysis is that it cherry picks where it sees development. development or continued success thrives in teams like PSU, MSU, UConn, etc. UM only suffers regression and TEH APOCALYPSE.
Any MSU player improving or UM player stagnating is individually plausible, but it's much less likely that collectively their guys will progress and ours won't. I think he also makes the mistake of reading too much into last year's UM-MSU game, which was our worst offensive performance of the year. It reminds me of the Iowa fans who dismissed UM going into the 2003 season, after we had laid an egg against them in 2002.
I look at MSU this year and I basically see us, but with more questions on the OL. Good returning QBs (theirs were a bit better last year, but ours are on the steeper part of the learning curve), good receivers, so-so RBs, decent run defense, bad pass defense. I think our run defense will be much improved even though Graham is gone: Campbell should be a fine space-eater, Roh won't be too small to play his position, Martin and Van Bergen should be stronger and won't be playing out of position, Ezeh and Mouton should be better under Robinson's coaching.
A few other nits to pick: UConn is a somewhat favorable matchup for us since they are a running team, and I wouldn't bet on ND's new QB being able to exploit our weak pass defense behind a mostly new OL in only their second game in a new offensive system.
Wow. Do yourself a favor and stop thinking so much about the Michigan football program.
right up until you said Craig Roh was a "serviceable" Big Ten player. Serviceable Big Ten players are like Brandon Englemon or DeWayne Patmon.
Hope you like your crow with extra eyebrows...
Check the UFRs from last year. He'll probably improve a lot this coming year, but for last year "serviceable" is just the right word.
He was just a freshman last year and I believe he held his own pretty well.
Keep up with me. This year we'll see more. Like #88s hanging in the windows at MDen more.
Look you said he had you until he said Roh "was" a serviceable player. Forgive me for inferring that your use of the past tense referred to something in the past, not future.
I especially like how the "serviceable" true frosh. (and not even an early enrollee) ran with one of their "stud" TEs and got a PBU in the end zone.
I knew I was right about "rationalMSUfan". Garbage.
Damn, I was just thinking about posting a "Why we will go undefeated in 2010" thread in true off-season fashion. I guess that wouldn't be rational in light of this thread. I suppose I'll just have to wait until next week.
Michigan to continue it's unheard of generosity in the turnover and penalties department against MSU for a third straight year?
Alas the chances that MSU faces a true freshman Michigan signal-caller for a third straight season is pretty much zero.
I would agree though that the first two contests on Michigan's schedule will probably have the Wolverines better prepared than anyone else in the league.
Long and overused topic is long and overused.
In all seriousness, though. I expect us to be better down the stretch as we're not playing a ridiculous number of freshmen who aren't used to a collegiate level of football. I wouldn't go too far as declaring an OSU win at OSU, but stranger things have happened. I expect this team to give us an incredible sense of hope we rally behind (see: 4-0 start last year), falter a little bit in the middle (maybe a 3-loss streak, including a game we should have won, which will cause massive panic in the MGoCommunity), but have a resurgent end to the season. 8-4 with a bowl victory is a successful year in my books.
Is it September yet?
First it's spring practice, then NCAA Football '11 in July, then fall practice, then we can start wishing for September.
I told you so. This guy is no more rational than the rest of them. I called it after this guy's second thread and a bunch of you got your panties in a bunch.
Sparty gonna Sparty.
+1 to EVERYONE
Because a win, would get us a bowl game.........the suspence is killing us all!!!!!
Sorry, but this is more rational then "10-2 with a win @ Ohio State" that's been thrown around. Honestly, we drank the kool-aid last year and we're drinking it again this year. Unless we readjust our expectations for improvement, we'll just be pissed off again.
UConn - tossup
ND - tossup
UMass - win
BGSU - win
Indiana - win
MSU - tossup
Iowa - loss
Penn State - tossup
Illinois - win
Purdue - win
Wisconsin - loss
Ohio State - loss
There are 5 wins, 4 tossups, and 3 losses. Hoping for a split in the tossups, that would put us at 7-5, and with a little luck we're at 8-4. Not speculating on RR's job security, but that probably won't appease the mlive-ers and TomHagans of the world.
That's reasonable and much more rationale than said 'rational' MSU fan.
Well, he is a MSU fan so naturally he would be biased against Michigan, while most of the 9-3 or 10-2 posters are biased towards Michigan. I'm a pessimist so I think I'll set it at 7-5 with 8-4 being just as likely as 6-6.
If I felt any bit more hopeful about the defense, I'd shout you down. But the spring game did nothing to settle my stomach.
So while I'd like the sunny maize scenario, I'll have to manage myself down to "rational" expectations like you've laid out until we see the defense on the field. (This is the lesson learned from three seasons of optimistic beginings gone all wrong ... somehow I'll forget the lesson again in September.)
I think the odds are that Rich may more likely be around in Spetember 2011 because or new AD has a head on his shoulders and balls to back it up, than surprising success in 2010.
I really would liek to be wrong.
If I felt any bit more hopeful about the defense, I'd shout you down. But the spring game did nothing to settle my stomach.
Hey, if I felt more hopeful about the defense I definitely wouldn't be saying this. A good defense under Carr would put us in a January bowl game with this offense. This isn't to say that the defense's general suckyness is Rodriguez's fault, it's really nobody's fault, but yeaqh a competent defense and we'd be in Florida in January.
I also think Rodriguez will see year four. The AD went all in for Rodriguez so to speak when they hired him, and Brandon supports him now.
We beat Iowa this year. There. I said it.
I'll say it too. Iowa used up every once of luck in their sack-O-luck last year. No way that get that many bounces their way this year.
The jinx-ing abilities are strong in this one.
I would definitely say that Wisconsin is more of a tossup than Penn St is, mainly because it's at home and Penn St was the only team last yr to blow us out at home. Also how is Iowa not also a tossup game after we almost beat them last year(far closer than us beating Penn St). So that's 5 wins 5 tossups, and 2 losses(switching PSU and Wisconsin) so the 10-2 prediction is entirely optimistic but within the realm of rationality. To be clear I think we'll split the tossups 3-2 and go 8-4.
As for Iowa, I'm not sure. We were lucky to still be in that game, and they should be improved after having won a BCS game. We do have a chance obviously, we should be competitive in every game, but Iowa's experience and defensive talent should win out. They do have Jewel Hampton back from his knee injury, we'll see how he does but he was the presumptive favorite before the aPAKIlypse.
Michigan was the team that had 4 turnovers and (re)lost it's best offensive lineman on the first series. Given how close that game was, I'd say Iowa benefited from fortune much more than Michigan did.
That had a great defense and Michigan clocked them on the road, at night, with Freshmen QBs, and a juggled OL. Also they lost a really good LB, Angererer...er, as well as a solid to good DB, Spivey.
Oh yeah, and Ricky Stanzi is a liability. And they lost Bulaga. And Moeki.
So, Iowa still might be solid but I think they have some non-trivial questions to answer.
I wonder if Stanzi will learn how to throw to the other half of the field this season...
They spotted us a seven point lead too. I think it will be close, but after seeing them finish out the year I don't know if we'll win. We did have the best offensive performance against them so I might be wrong. Maybe they can't handle Denard.
Not trying to be contrarian but, Stanzi, your boy (kidding), threw that ball right to a 5-star defensive back. Regardless your point is well taken.
Iowa got away with a bunch of shenanigans last year: Sparty gave it away, the Indiana game was ridiculous, we've been over Michigan, and they needed magic against Northern Iowa. Georgia Tech has a one dimensional offense that they had 1 month to prepare for.
Sparty won got away with similar shenanigans in 2008 and came right back down to earth in 2009.
I know it's not really fair to do this. They won all of those games and I give them their due for that, but no more. I'm skeptical that they are really that good especially given all the holes they need to fill.
Love it or leave it.
Yeah, personally I think Jake VandenBerg is better than my boy Stanzi, but he's proud to be an American so I can't bring myself to root against him. Plus I'm not Kirk Ferentz (even though it may seem like it), so my opinion means nothing.
You're right about Iowa's close games, part of that is due to their skill, but eventually there will be a regression to the mean and they will drop some of those close games. Hopefully one will be against Michigan.
I still think Iowa will win, but you've persuaded me to change my highly thought-out and scientific model for picking games, so Iowa has moved from a "win" to a "tossup"
That's five wins, five tossups, and two losses for you folks keeping score at home, but I think we win two of the five tossups to go 7-5. Inexperience is not an asset in close games.
Penn State also has a lot of questions at QB. I heard they looked terrible in the spring game.
I agree. Wisconsin is better than Penn State in my opinion. Penn State has a good defense, despite losing their three best defensive players (Bowman, Odrick, and Lee). Their offense could be Sheridanesque with Newsome and McGloin back there.
I'm not even going to waste my time negging you...
I think that unless Dantonio reinstates Oren Wilson, that for the first time in a couple of years, Michigan's OL will whip the D-front of MSU.
Michigan hasnt blocked Wilson or Anderson in two years and neither of them will be playing.
I like State. I like State's team. Better than most people here. I love Keishawn Martin's game, as an example. And Cousins could be the best QB in the league, who knows?
But, Michigan's OL is finally equipped. At home. Double revenge. Sorry dude....if you want to make money that day, you best go to the window and ask for a Michigan ticket.
Free advice and No Sugarcoat.
"Uconn - Loss - (0-1) I'm sure when this game was put on the schedule, it was supposed to be a nice appetizer for a traditionally powerful UM as a tuneup for the Notre Dame game. "
Then you obviously don't know when this game was scheduled, lol.
I don't have a problem with this post, I'm all whatevs and shit
i didn't wake up feelin like p diddy
I agree with the OP final record of 5-7, but I would swap the ND and Wisky games. We'll beat ND, but lose to Wisky.
Their is no such thing and you proved it by this post.
I thought it was rashinoil?
I think you are going to be extremely surprised at the improvement of this team. We were very close to 9-3 last year. ( we could have lost to ND and Indiana, but Iowa, MSU, Purdue and even Illinois could have easily gone the other way)
Its simple. We get rid of the massive bad luck and turnovers. We also don't lose anything significant on the offense, and we lost three good players but return 8 starters and better backups than the last three years on defense. We have a returning defensive coordinator for the first time in four years. The home schedule makes wins against Iowa, MSU and Ilinois wins simply by being at home when we were close last year. (Illinios was closer than the final score) How could you think Kelly is going to have ND playing well two games in? He lost a lot from last year.
We have a qb who has actually played in a college game who will either be a 12 game starter from last year who will be healthy now, or the guy who beats him out who has some experience and is one of the fastest players in all of college football.
Our defense was horrible the last two years, but just having a better offense will make the defense better by not putting them in terrible positions all the time.
Now, if you had said our kicking game will cost us a game or two, you might have been right about something.
I do worry about the UConn game, but its still a game Michigan should be favored to win. And I think we will lose to OSU, but other than that, there isn't a team on this schedule that has a huge advantage over us. We'll lose one or two we could win, but in the end, we'll be 9-3. Hope one of those loses isn't to MSU.
This is dead on. So many of our losses last year were due to WTF decisions by young players. Yeah, our defense sucked, but our turnovers sucked more, and we would've been able to pull out at least 2 more wins without them.
As for people who say that we're counting Iowa and Michigan State as possible wins that we need to count ND and Indiana--that's just wrong. We lost Iowa and Michigan State because of our young, inexperienced team. It's not like we won ND and Indiana because of experience. In other words, we lost a few games because of inexperience, but also won a few game in spite of that inexperience.
Back to the game.....I think we are a better football team than UM. Sorry for that opinion. I'm sure UM fans look at last year's game and say we needed OT to win at home. I tend to look at the first 3.5 quarters of the game and see total domination.Whatever, MSU always plays "3 and change quarters of great football" As "dominant" as MSU played, Michigan was just a play or two away from:
first full game with Mooseman at Center (he had two horrible snaps that killed drives) and the first game after Tate's shoulder injury as well.
I am, generally, a pessimistic guy re: UofM football, but we WILL beat Sparty this year. Book it.
History shows that MSU will win the game over Michigan...(sarcasm). A team thats going to take a step back because of the OL and had to go to overtime to win at home will not be given a W against an improved O and D on the road. Never
Listen MSU guy, some of us are still pretty frusturated about the past couple seasons. Honestly, I dont want to hear your negative garbage. If thats how you feel then wait till the fall and see what happens. Or at the very least post a picture of hot MSU girls next to your negative nonsense, so I dont feel so bad that I clicked on it.
* "Under my scenerio, the natives will be restless having lost to Uconn and Notre Dame." Poor sentence structure *and* bad spelling...
* "Alternatively, a 3rd straight loss to f'ing MSU and Rich Rod may be facing an in-season dismissal." You should have used alternately there. Also, you assured that no one would take you seriously after that point.
I'll stop there.
kind of like that quote from super bad, "...the girls will be twice as dumb, and therefore twice as likely to fellate me." haha
So we have a decent shot at being 6-0. We should win against UConn and ND, although I could see us losing one. And we can beat MSU at home. That'd make us 6-0 going into the Iowa game, which is at home.
He cant be serious. How could he have us losing 7 games, but two of the wins coming against Wisconsin and OSU? Irrational.
reading comprehension. he fucked up and wrote Win instead of Loss. he marked it as a loss in the tally and the writeup makes it quite clear he meant to write Loss.
That also makes it quite clear that he's dumb. And the error makes be think, for no good reason, that he's from Opposite Land, in which case, he's predicting us to go 7-5 with wins over ND and Sparty. But, then he has a losing to BGSU and UMass so .. yeah, he's still an idiot.
With this logic, I'm surprised he picked wins for the games against UMass and Bowling Green....
this is an MSU fan predicting a bad season for Michigan and UM loss to MSU? Man, this really is not your typical MSU fan, is it?
the only rational spartans in the world are the ones that gave birth to me.
I hate the off-season.
that he tries (and fails) to dissect our defense and explain why it will be bad but then completely ignores any mention of his own team's defense (aka Greg Jones and 10 dudes) which may have just as many question marks as ours.
the OL is a concern butTHEY HAVE A DYNAMIC OFFENSE! BUY A NEW COUCH MA! WE'RE BURNIN THIS ONE IN E LANSING TONIGHT WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-EEEEEEEEEEEE!
Holy shit this is awesome.
Is it too late to change the 2010 student section t-shirt? Either way I will have a t-shirt with this on it before next season.
This post is a joke, right? I mean, you aren't really serious about this, your RCMB friends put you up to it, etc. If you are actually serious about this post, you are in for a rude awakening soon. MSU could easily implode if Saint Dantonio doesn't either get rid of or regain control of the less-than-ethical subculture that exists among a large portion of "his" team.
You are way off on this one, but I think you have probably nailed MSU's record with your post.
horrendous post is where he attempts to over-inflate the importance of MSU. A loss to MSU and RR faces an in-season dismissal?
Seriously? There is absolutely no scenario in which a loss to MSU (standing alone) is even grounds for an end-of-season dismissal, let alone an in-season one. Among the many, many flaws in your reasoning is that Brandon has stated repeatedly that he intends to judge RR on the body of his work--not a single game. An in-season dismissal for any reason flies in the face of this.
Last but not least, we just don't care that much about you guys. I'm sorry. Sure, you are a rival. 1 of 3, ranking third. Unlike you, the MSU game is not the only game on our schedule. The disconnect from the way the two fanbases approach this game - truly - is fucking hilarious.
And you take back what you said about Barwis earlier. TAKE IT BACK!!!
How did a kool-aid drinking MSU fan get enough points to post something like that? Magnus is going to go ape-sh** when he reads that Free Press Special.
...internet vitriol. Can't wait until actual football gets played.
to a game of NCAA 2010 RIGHT NOW so I can prove RR is a good coach
You should let me play him. I was ranked as high as 72 online last year. And yes, I am a no life loser.
When the OP was born the doctor should have slapped everone in the room.
I predict that while the 2010 season is unpredictable, we act as though it were (was?) predictable when it is over.
i KNEW you were going to post this
I knew you were going to respond with that!!
this game was tomorrow and not 4 months from now.
Michigan returns 75% of their starters but isn't going to improve?
I'm with you on this one. Just about every MSU fan that I talk to, assumes that Sparty will get better and everyone else will stay the same or get worse. This MSU team will be 6-6 again. The team last year went 6-6 in the regular season and were 1-4 against the 5 teams with winning records that they played. They also didn't play OSU. They will be lucky to have a 6-6 record again this year. They had a pass efficiency defense that was rated 101st in the country last season, but our defense is the one that will blow? Also, that talented offense that they had last year didn't manage a passing TD vs. our "horrible" D last year.
I truly believe that UM has the potential to blow this team out. I also believe that, given the chance, Rich Rod will bury Dantonio. Make no mistake about it. UM wants to beat these guys bad!
Don't worry, we'll make room for ya on the RR bandwagon before the season is done.
Mr. msu fan, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Everyone who posted, save a few, are extremly defensive about this. You must be afraid somewhat. His logic, flawed in spots as it may be, is completely feasable. I wouldn't be suprised with 5-7 wins. Sometimes you have to step away from things and look at them in a different light so your own emotions don't interfer.
what UConn has shown themselves to be that makes them a walk-away loss like the OP introduces?
Next he will be doing "300" impressions: "WE...ARE...SPARTA!" Yeesh.
This is inflated ego of the irrational Spartan fan in all its YouTube glory...my favourite line is where they talk about what an honor it is to die on the battlefield...I say we give them what they want...
This is so ridiculous. A mod at The Only Colors said that 300 may have been the worst thing to happen to their program, and while I think this is slightly exaggerated, it has been pretty funny to see the fanbase resemble its stereotype of frat-boy douchebags with their obsessive following of an admittedly mediocre gore-fest that was totally awesome, brah. I am so glad we don't go "OMG HUGH JACKMAN WOLVERINE WIN FIGHT KILL RAWK!! What is this 'Hail to the Victors?'"
They have gold outlines on their numbers on the "alternate" football jerseys, presumedly because of the Spartan warrior image brought on by 300. Come on...
Dude...could you picture it? We all go to games dressed in Maize and Blue "X-Men" costumes with copycat facial hair and fake Wolverine claws on the backs of our hands...too funny...just the thought of that makes the whole Spary 300 thing seem even more rediculous.
Don't forget the video for the pre-game, X-Men Origins works nicely I think. Who cares about running through the banner? That stuff is so outdated.
We need some ten foot Wolverine Xmen mascot to lead the team out and instead of Touching the Banner... he shreds it with his claws...all while we blast loud RAWK music and set off flairs and fireworks...it will be sooo awesome!
with sunglasses, a cape and cowl... that would be epic ridiculous...
That this turd in moss green suspenders threw the grenade into the room and walked away? He hasn't returned to make any comments. Not one. He wanted to make us all go ballistic (it worked) and enjoy the fireworks.
he rarely discusses topics. just posts and walks off. hence why it's so annoying that he feels the need to not make forum posts but, instead, forum topics.
with OP update/response
He is right. We would have gone into auto-troll mode last year had someone predicted 5-7. The only thing I really see is the Purdue loss and Wisconsin win but other than that it's all possible. I said it before, he's more rational than those calling 9-3 or 10-2.
it's that it's dressed up as a thorough analysis when it has little to no analysis. he ignores any sort of natural progression for UM and instead buries the defense as "undoubtedly worse" due to one lineman and a cornerback. while these are issues of importance, they're not an overall death knell. the d-line looked strong in spring practice and is a UNIT, not one side. if all the dbs go from 6s to 7s while losing an 8/9 player, they're a better unit. if the line goes from 7s to 8s while losing a 10, the unit is better.
an admitted fan of another team who feels the need to create posts that extoll his virtues as rational without an analysis that truly shows any sort of valid knowledge? that's not right, that's trolling. 5-7 is a basement, not a middle ground expectation.
oh and don't forget his is the fan base that predicted 9-3 or 10-2 last year. by all predictions i've seen on MSU based sites, 9-3 is their expected basement. so an MSU fan's prediction that throws out 5-7 as his expectation not in a comment but in a glorified "LOOKATME, I'S SMART" manner. it's unwelcome to many.
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I feel the need to agree with his assessment of our defense, not because of his analysis, but because of how bad it was last year (although hopefully the Ohio State game was the start of a trend and not the exception to the rule). It won't be as bad as last year, but that isn't saying much, if anything at all.
As for the "rational" MSU fan, his approach was pretty tactless, and I don't think he cares (obviously). He shouldn't have posted this, and it should be taken with a grain of salt. This was not thourough or even researched analysis, and to claim that it was is misleading.
State did lose a few close games last year, with their schedule 9-3 was not a bad prediction. As for this year, the schedule is favorable again, but 9-3 is the kind of homerism that is found everywhere, including here.
i would also like to point out that your ultimate premise that a 5-7 prediction would have elicited trollism. MANY people believed 6-6 was very possible and that 8-4 was a very optimistic ceiling. predictions of 10-2 this year are very rarely serious and are instead the optimism of people who have seen that the development of many of the players seems to be peddle to the floor. i think it may be one thing i can conclusively note as a difference between Carr and RR - players under Carr seemed to get better yearly; players under RR seemed to struggle and then become WAY better in a rush. now you could argue it's hard not to look better when you look as bad as some did in 2008 but i genuinely don't look at last year's team as a 5-7 team. and i watched every game. they very narrowly missed 7-5 imo whereas teams like MSU who could have ended up 8-4 instead of 6-6 missed did so because of systematic problems. UM would lose games by being burned on one to two plays - teams like MSU would lose by consistent series that exploited very serious defensive problems that have not been shored up in the offseason. whereas it appears UM has. the 3-4 is not going to fix MSU's db problems, it just escalates the power of their LB corps.
color me optimistic that this team returning is not going to hit the low-end again.
We would have had to be really really lucky to go 7-5. As it is we won two games that we were outgained in and could have gone either way (ND + Indiana). The other games that were close (Purdue, MSU, Iowa) we were also outgained in. For us to have won 4 out of those 5 games would have required a tremendous amount of luck.
The Only Colors did a poll.
Contrary to your statement that "9-3 is the expected basement", the majority of them expect 8 wins or less.
You should let the OP be the only one tossing out ignorant claims here.
i would trust RCMB opinion way more than tOC, especially given a number of glaring errors that site has had, bordering on libel. also given the fact the median is 8.5ish, that would fit within my assertion. discussions have prevailed on MSU sites that nobody can figure out what their fourth loss would be.
Voting has gotten a bit childish on this board. Reward thoughtful contributions. Punish offensive or unserious contributions.
The above was a rational and reasoned post. If we punish posters for not seeing the glass half full we are sliding towards the common football fan boards. Let's not.
I think someone swung through and negged everybody. I'm not sure who or why but, that's what it looks like. May have been more than one id, too.
I appreciate it.
But we are kind of sliding towards the "if you don't think like us, you're wrong" mentality. I don't really mind though.
"So nobody on this board thinks 5-7 is possible? Wow."
It's one thing to be trollish in predicting 5-7 based on ridiculous reasoning, on a total lack of ability to think logically. It is another to come back and act like we are the ridiculous, irrational ones. I find it exceedingly irritating for sparty to come back and use the condescending "wow" based on on his own blindness to his own stupidity. Nothing is worse than trying to engage in a logical debate with someone too stupid to recognize his own stupidity.
EDIT - Redacted this derogatory portion in the hopes of keeping it classy.
Didn't MSU's receiving corps just get out of jail?
Is that he was so surprised that this post got a negative response. Whether or not we're worried about the upcoming season doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is we don't need to hear this shit.
Now go home and get your shine box.
Why is everyone freaking out lol
I have yet to meet a rational MSU fan. And how is a bunch of mediocre players kicked off the team for going to jail help sparty this season?
to hear "i've been to jail motherfucker" when you line up against MSU.
Sparty, were you pitcher or catcher?
A rational MSU fan is an oxymoron. RationalMSUfan is just a moron. Anybody else find it strange that everybody else will improve this season but Michigan? Yet MSU went from 9-3 to 6-7.