It's a long way to NSD.
Multiple Sources: Dunn Sticking With OSU
My thoughts exactly. Meyer was saying anything he thought would get recruits names down on paper. We'll see how perceptions change as time goes on. February is a ways away.
Isn't BIll Greene the same guy that said Dunn slightly favors Michigan just days before he reaffirmed his commitment to ohio?
Dunn is an early enrollee though, which means he will officially be a buckeye in a week or two
No hes not. He didnt have things in order.
pretty sure that is what I saw...
A real Korean wouldn't have made this mistake.
Were not going to get Dunn. He just BWC'ed Ohio for a little bit and now is back. time to move on.
Just remind them to watch Michigan's bowl game next year.
Don't hold your breath, but we have seen that Dunn is fickle. Time will tell.
of a high school kid. We knew all along that he was a long-time OSU fan, and that he was only considering Michigan because of potential penalties for OSU. In the end, he went with his heart. This is neither surprising nor fickle.
for the Michigan - Ohio game. Unless he was a spy collecting information for O to use next year, I'd classify that as "Luke" Fickle.
Because he was on an official to Michigan, not OSU. To stand on OSU's sideline while on a trip to UM would have been foolish. It genuinely seemed at that point that he was 50/50 on his decision, so I see no problem there.
Dunn is Fickell? Will he coach defense also?
None of the recruits will budge. The bowl ban doesn't affect them so they don't really care, and they already got their scholarships. Too bad that witness didn't step forward, then maybe something would have happened.
The bowl ban is for next season so it does affect them. Maybe it would have made a difference to Dunn if he had waited a few more days, but I don't see anyone leaving either.
It's only a one year bowl ban but it could impact some players. Dunn would be a prime candidate. He's not likely to redshirt and depending on how he pans out, he might not stay all four years (like Beanie Wells). That means he'd only get two bowl games....and be on probation his entire career. I don't know if this is done yet.
Hope he enjoys his 2 trips to the Outback Bowl.
The postseason ban helps in the sense that OSU cannot win a Big Ten title or compete in a prestigious bowl and thus will not be able to use that tool in recruiting...but it really doesn't affect any players committing to the team for 2012. At best, some of them would probably have become back-ups, so they aren't really missing out on much.
A two year ban might have made them think twice. I'm actually not sure this doesn't work out in Meyer's favor. If his transition is rough, he'll have a handy excuse (even if it doesn't really apply) to use to explain the troubles. Basically he gets a practice season before gearing up for the real thing in 2013.
Michigan really needs to beat Ohio at Ohio and win the Big Ten next year. Those two things will be the bigger than any sanctions the NCAA can hand down.
A week in Pasadena or South Florida during Christmas break doesn't compare to a week in Columbus in December no matter how you look at it. /s
CONS: Meyer won't be getting those 15 extra practices that come with a bowl birth.
PROS: Meyer will be able to hit the recruiting trail in full force much earlier next season.
CON: (for us) We'll be their Bowl Game next year.
We humiliate them just like any SEC team would have.
Is really a big deal, especially for any players who did redshirt. There's not much of a recruiting advantage (assuming Ohio doesn't get extra staff next year too) because a dead period starts about the same time as most of the bowl practice time (yesterday for this season). This period (which prohibits visits) was put in place specifically so as not to disadvantage teams playing in bowls.
I guess lying to recruits is better than lying to the NCAA in Columbus, right? I guess they're moving in the right direction.
Once a kid like Dunn gets his mind set on going to his dream school sanctions like this wont change that. If he had waited another week before confirming with OSU, though, this would be another story.
Dunn chose OSU over us...twice. The second time he could esily have waited a few weeks to see what was going to happen. Now, this means he won't play as a back-up for OSU's feature back next year in the post-season, and some of the walk-on friends he makes will have to pay their own way all the way.
I think we can wave good bye to the S.S. Dunn, and move on. There's bigger game afoot now.
eh, kid wants to play for osu. maybe now he'll have a walkon blocking for him.
Yep. I'm good with fitz and Rawls will be a beast.
I am happy with the recruits/players we have, I have high hopes for all of them. I don't hold any hard feelings for Dunn, I just think he made a bad choice.
Oh well, I'm happy the direction we're going in. We'll see him on the field next November.
Does anyone have information on the current scholarship situation at tsio? It seems to me that it may be possible that the scholarship reduction won't even be a factor this year depending on how many players are currently on scholarship/leaving/etc. To add to that, I'm sure the plan for most of the freshman to redshirt anyway, the bowl ban won't mean too much to them either. Not surprised that no one has flipped, and I won't be if no one does (cause let's be honest, expecting movement an hour after the news is a little silly)
USC was able to have the penalties not count towards that particular recruiting year but instead start in the next cycle. That may have been because they were appealing them but in either case, it's clear the NCAA isn't being as hard on OSU as they were on USC so it probably won't affect this season.
Ah, I didn't know that about USC. I did just see the article on ESPN stating that the reduction is through the 2014-15 school year, so that would mean the ARE applying to this recruiting cycle (these recruits incoming for the 2012-13 year). I wouldn't be surprised if OSU tries to get them pushed back, if for nothing more than planning purposes
...are correct. They will only be allowed 82 scholarship players on the roster during the 2012-13, 2013-14, and 2014-15 academic years. So, in theory, this year's class could be three players smaller than it would have been. I would think Urban Meyer will find a way to make it work and keep this, his first class, to the size he has planned for since accepting the job. He will find a way to get to 82 without hurting his class, I am sure.
Yes, isn't it miraculous that the bowl ban was only a single year? If it would have been two years, like it should have been it really would have messed with recruiting.
They only lose 3 a year, which is nothing. So they'll be at 82 every year. All Urban needs to do is weed out the deadweight (which he'll do) and they'll be more than ok.
Sure, one of my first interactions with my coach was where he lied to my face about the expected sanctions, but I am sure that he was 100% honest about my expected role at OSU, right? RIGHT?!?
So who knows if Dunn is still an EE or what?
Edit* How is this overrated? cause it might afftect his decision if there's more time to think about.
I didn't neg so I can't say for sure but it's probably because he hasn't been enrolling early for over a week.
I don't blame him. Urban said he would murder Dunn's family if he didn't commit to OSU.
Who wouldn't want to be Urban Meyer's next great collegiate running back? I mean, if history shows us anything, its that Urban Meyer produces top notch, pro-style running backs.
the list is so exclusive, there's nobody on it.
I know it's a really bad pun but I really don't care anymore. We have talent, we'll keep getting talent and if he's all wishy-washy I don't really want him around. Happy that fans of the school in Ohio are crying and I wouldn't trade Hoke and company for Urb's or anyone else for that matter. Go Blue!
Why does it sting when a moderator I've never met labels my post as overrated? C'mon, it wasn't that bad.
Well, more like rule 1a - don't talk about moderation
See. Feels like the first day of school. Thanks all for the knowledge.
Cell phone Dunn got me
but you obviously aren't aware that everyone with over 100 points can moderate your post. Really strong chance a moderator didn't neg you.
Please for the love of god, no more freakin Dunn threads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HES THE ENEMY!!! WE WANT TO KILL HIM!!
I belive you meant to say "beat him on the field".
since they won't be seeing too much of the field the first year.
I understand the issue of Dunn will continue to linger until NSD, but until he shows a strong interest in M, I'd rather just forget about him altogether.
Objectively, M would have been a perfect fit for him (upper tier academics, character staff, aspirations of a traditional M power running game), but the kid obviously loves OSU enough, despite penalties and a non-conforming offense, to stick with that joke of a university.
With fear that my M pride clouds my rationality, I say cut ties... see you on the field in three years when wormely, pip, bolden, strobel, mario, ross, and RJS are clogging the gaps.
love the passion Mag... love it. Word choice, not so much...
Hope that is the last time he uses that word.
That's approaching Shane Morris levels, Tremendous
but I wouldn't call use of the word "faggot" "hilarious."
Good thing Hoke apparently has some sort of Twitter & You 101 course for incoming freshmen
While the use of "faggots" was not the right word choice, I agree that this was funny. We also have to remember that these are still high schoolers we talk about, and therefore misuse of words like these are unfortunately more common. Hopefully he will learn better.
But I think everyone missed the best thing about this tweet. Hoke is already teaching him well with his use of "Ohio". Well done Mags, well done.
is he calling them cigarettes?
To me this is one of the classic moves of the recruiting analysts that are actually de facto recruiters for a certain school. Some circumstance suggests a reason for a player to de-commit and the analyst gets the kid on the record and says people are saying you're going to betray us....are you going to betray us? Then the kid says of course not. Then you have that statement of loyalty on the record and hope it makes the kid feel locked in. And I can't say we're not guilty of the same thing sometimes (e.g. Kalis most recently).
The best way of showing your talent is to defeat the best DL.
No disrespect or ill wishes to Dunn or his family, but he needs to stay at Ohio. I don't want a Buckeye here, and for all intents and purposes, that's what he's always been. He made his choice, and I wish him the best, except when he plays agianst Michigan, or plays in a game that could effect Michigan negatiely by him playing well. GBOD
What are our chances at landing Dee Hart?
Sad Buckeye = It's great to be a Michigan Wolverine!
Our class seems to be rounding out nicely, the fears of mass poaching by Meyer are thus far unfounded (and certainly today's news doesn't help him out), and despite the unexpected harshness of the sanctions (I say this because I didn't think that the NCAA would even do this much), I had a feeling that at least most kids already committed will remain so. After all, a fair number of them may not even play during the ban from postseason play, but they'll have the benefit of every other aspect of the program. I wish Dunn well, save in one particular matchup.
The coaching staff can now set their sights on next year crop of rbs.
Ah, what the hell. Good for him. He's made a commitment (twice) and in the face of adveristy (albeit modest adversity) he sticks with his commitment. That's commendable in a 17- or 18-year old kid. I hope he tears it up at OSU, goes on to a successful NFL career, and loses to Michigan every time.