from 3 pt range, matching Byrd. Izzo is much more likely to depend upon Valentine and Trice to hit shots.
that is nice bonus change
from 3 pt range, matching Byrd. Izzo is much more likely to depend upon Valentine and Trice to hit shots.
small sample size applies (both to this yr and last yr) but he was a 39% from three last year...
The only player on MSU who does anything is Nix. If he's gone and they don't return anyone they will be in a world of hurt.
I hope this isn't serious
over 25 pts and 12 rbs per game over his last game.
I assume Iowa State has a scholly for him...
... they're losing is a little depth. He played 16 minutes a game and was an offensive liability (check his stats, they are turrrrible). Not sure about his defensive prowess, but I don't consider this a big deal.
To be fair, most of their team is an offensive liability (save G. Harris). They have no shooters or ball handlers. Just some really athletic guys that play tough D and out hustle other teams. This shouldn't hurt them all that much though...unless they give Byrd more minutes. Dudes turrible...
Everyone is saying this isn't a big deal for state. Well it is. No he's not coming off the bench and scoring a lot, but he's playing a lot of minutes and has been pretty good on the defensive side of the ball. He's one of the players in their short 8 man rotation. Basically this means that byrd is going to have to play quite a bit more, and byrd is much worse than kearney. Its not that they are losing a proficient scorer, but losing a body that is even decent on defense is something they couldn't really afford.
He's a former target and Braylon's cousin. As such, he was the first Braylon freak out when we didn't over him soon enough. But cuz was ultimately happy with Brandon going to a strong program like MSU
I'm glad we didn't offer. He would have been abyssmal in Beilein's system.
People, justifying him as a loss would be like saying were doomed if Vogrich leaves. Now don't twist my words, Vogrich IS important, but Kearney hasn't made any impact at state since he's been there and saw his time go to others such as Denzel Valentine, Russel Byrd, and Travis Trice. Losing a <6mpg kind of guy isn't a huge hit despite it not being exactly positive.
And as a rational Wolverine living in EL forced to watch the majority of Staee games, I can tell you that Kearney cannot dribble nor shoot, plays good D but as reiterated above, won't slow State down a bit.
That comparison is extremely bad. Vogrich isn't part of our rotation but Kearney is part of their rotation. Kearney is playing 17 mpg this year in all 13 games, I have no idea why you think he plays less than 6 mpg(you said you watched MSU games, so I would have assumed you knew he played much more than that). Compare that to vogrich who is averaging 9 mpg in 11 of our 12 games. Another part that is incorrect is that Kearney is young and was expected to help out in future seasons as well, whereas this is Vogrich's last year.
Are they doomed? No. Does this hurt them now and in the future? Absolutely.
as one of the best defenders on a team that does well only two things: defense and rebounding.
Yeah, I'd say his loss is significant.
Its tough to make comparisons because teams aren't composed the same. However, I would have to agree with you, that Levert is probably the best comparison.
The best comparison, but still not a great one. Caris already has shown offensive potential and will keep improving during the year.
Don't think it has anything with not being "sold on State." It's a great program and although I'm partial to Ann Arbor and U of M, there aren't many better places than East Lansing for a college student and college basketball player from the Midwest.
His comments and the articles suggest this this was almost entirely about role. Sure, he was averaging about 17 mpg but he'd gotten passed on the depth chart by 2 freshmen and a classmate (Harris, Valentine, and Trice). With a little patience he might have been in line for more minutes if Appling left - especially with nobody in the 2013 class. But it's clear he wants a bigger role. Maybe he's learning that he isn't as good as he thought he was? A reality check, sure, but transferring would be the best move in this case.
Detroit and Oakland are both great places for him to land IMO. I'd be surprised if he transferred to another 'major' based on what I wrote above, but I hear Iowa State loves ex-MSU players.
Follow your heart, Kearney.
Don't take unsolicited advice.
Assuming the rules for transfers are the same across all sports, Kearney would have to pay his own way at Michigan. Not gonna happen.
He is a Michigan football fan after all...
I like how Brady Hoke handles players leaving much better than Tom. Better to not say much than call things "strange" and insinuate stuff, acting like a jilted girlfriend.
I love that this minor defection sparked a debate which I've Michigan Fans know is legitimate but have to deep silent about because it sounds like whinning. I also love how sensative my State friends and family are about Jabari Parker. Just mention his name, and they start to turn red.
Neither Izzo nore his 6 Final Fours impress me much. I think their Nat'l Championship was in a rather weak year and that team actually reallly wasn't very good. Would they have competed with last year's Kentucky squad or our 1987 or 1992-1994 teams? No way.
I think they lucked into weak matchups and regional home games to get to those 6 final fours--and they got blown out in a lot of those games.
I think that it all was caused because Michigan imploded in scandal and picked an aweful coach, and we handed him not only the keys to flint and Detroit but to Indiana and Ohio stars that followed.
I think Izzo hasn't developed many players and that he's an immature, whinny little angry elf who is embarassing to watch on the sidelines.
I think he probably wishes he'd gone to the Cavs when he could.
I think that Izzo's run is just about up and they will probably win a few conference championships here and there but will never be considered a to program again. The recent defections and inability to land to players is pretty much a sign of that.
But I tend to think these things to myself because they sound like sour grapes, are hard to back up with stats, and make me sign like a sniveling child. None-the-less, they are a good sign for Michigan, which is all I care about.
But the best team in 2000 was Cincinnati till Kenyon Martin broke his leg in the conference tournament. That was the only team that could have really played with MSU. But then Hughins teams had a history of choking, so they might not have even gotten there.
And I don't think anyone wants to be the coach of the team that LeBron ditches.
My hatred for Izzo likely stems from jealousy, from when his program was great(the early to mid aughts) and our program was the red headed step child of the athletic department.
Even taking that into account, the guy is a giant turd. He's never had a loss that the officiating didn't snatch from his tiny little girl hands. You simply cannot make the argument that he wasn't wildly successful last decade. And a lot of those teams didn't start the year great.
But an honest look at his current team suggests that they aren't very good at basketball. And they've got nothing coming in next year. I just bought tickets at the Bres, and my "NIT" chanting voice is all warmed up. It should be fun.
It isn't fair to compare a team from pre 1995 to a team after that. The best players prior to 1995 stayed at least two seasons and usually three. If Chris Webber graduated high school in 1999 he would never have stepped foot in a college arena. Izzo has put together some really good teams over the years. There is no doubt he benefited from Michigan's sanctions but I can't blame him for it.
Dawson was one of the best in the Midwest last year. He went after Parker full gusto. Parker's a one and done kid, the exact kind of player Izzo has claimed he didn't even like to recruit yet he went after him HARD>
These are the top 100 players he's brought to EL the last 3 years, D. Anderson never actually played for State. I would hardly call this not landing players.
Gary Harris #25
Denzel Valentine #81
Matt Costello #85
Dwaun Anderson #95
Adrien Payne #20
Keith Appling #38
what happens to these players when it's time to leave MSU???
The reality is that teaching defense and rebounding used to be enough as a tournament strategy for college basketball. Now, I'm not so sure that's enough.
Moreover, players want success at college and the next level. The problem for MSU is that elite programs do more than successfully teach only defense/rebounding (note: Kearney was one of the better defenders MSU had). Scoring and ball handling and bball-IQ are big parts of playing at the next level.
There are a lot of freshmen in the backcourt for MSU that have to guard Burke and THJ and Co. I can't wait to watch those games.
As others have noted, you don't luck into 6 final fours, but at the same time some of those later runs were just that; a couple of close wins in one-game playoffs. The difference between a Sweet 16 team and a Final Four squad is 2 games, played on a single weekend on a neutral court. Crazy things can happen, and they tend to do for older teams with a clear identity (which has typically been the case for MSU). Rarely has MSU fielded an offensively-dynamic crew, and the talent levels always seem a step behind the elite programs in a given year. So instead of fixating on those numbers, people should consider the number of tournament appearances, winning seasons, and B1G titles/close finishes that Izzo has been able to accumulate, which are much more impressive. I do think that his peak was hit a couple of years ago and he will be trending down a bit as programs around him continue to thrive, but he is by virtually any metric one of the three or four most successful coaches of the past 20 years in college basketball.
As for Kearney, his loss will be felt because he plays 17 or so minutes and gives them some size and depth at the 2-3. This team isn't full of athletes and Kearney is one of the better ones, and he fits the system Izzo likes to run on the defensive side of the court even though he is a liability as a scorer. This will affect them as the year progresses, because either one of the younger kids will have to step up or everyone will be playing more minutes, which will grind them down as the conference slate kicks into high gear.
Having said that, here is my take on Izzo. He is a very good coach, but greatly overrated. His teams are built on defense, rebounding and the fast break. Do those 3 things very well and you will win a lot of games. Five or six lay ups a game will be the winning difference in most games. Get MSU into a half court game and you can beat them.
His recruiting success has been, in large part, due to UM down years (much the same way that Dantonio has benefited). His teams often flounder during the early part of the season. Is this because he has poor talent and it takes him 2 or 3 months to whip into shape? Why do they seem to have to go through this every year.
His teams often don't seem to get along. Someone is always in his dog house. He rides his players during games and embarrasses them, and throws them under the bus when they lose.
Finally, for all of his success, I wouldn't want to play for him and I wouldn't want my son to either. I think his best days
best years are behind him.
Everyone would do them.
MSU has poor early seasons because they play more great teams regularly than anyone else in college basketball. And what foes it matter? March and April are all that anyone cares about.