We don't care.
Which is why we look absurd. It's hard to mock the RCMB when so many of our fans live in a fantasy land of delusion where SPARTY NO! is still a thing and Dantonio is still an average coach at best.
from Sparty No last night, when Cousins fumbled on the last drive
but I agree with you, it will be a good rivalry for several years. At least beating them will get us some recognition now, rather than getting their best shot and no one caring nationally bc Sparty sucks. Also good for the state of M
I thought that fumble was going to complete a new version of Sparty No where they allow Wisconsin to score 17-21 straight unanswered in the 4th but then there was a Bielema No and they pulled it out. Sparty still flirts with Sparty No, but Dantonio has them above it
I think you are mistaken. It is not hard to mock RCMB because they give us so many opportunities. When we start getting posts on here telling us of the OP's sexual conquests the night before, then we won't be able to mock RCMB.
Sparty No! Is still a thing, they almost blew it last night. Just because they were fortunate enough to win doesn't erase 10 years of MSU spartying all over themselves. As for Dantonio? Well now his record is like 4-10 against the Top 25, they're a solid/great team this year but for most people I think they still need 1 more 8-9 win season to be considered a solid program. And he's still looking for his first Bowl win there as well.
We is the incorrect word here. Looking at the board it would seem that this is a State blog. This place has become Little Brotherish.
All truth right now. Their defense is seriously mean and basically strangled (literally and figuratively) Michigan for 60 minutes. They and Wisconsin are the class of the Big 10 this season and a probably going to meet again for the right to play in the Rose Bowl.
On the plus side, barring Michigan winning out, this should mean the Big 10 only gets one BCS team this season and is correspondingly more competitive in its other bowls. I really don't want to see a Big 10 team get murdered by the loser of 'Bama and LSU.
the thought behind your plus side - this is not the year to get a second B1G BCS berth. However, does it not now appear that if both Sparty and Bucky win out to the B1G championship, the loser of that game may end up in a second BCS berth?
I doubt it, MSU has an ugly loss to what will probably be a weak 8-4 ND team at best, and Wisky would have 2 losses to MSU. I doubt that gets you in over OSU if they lose against OU, or Oregon if their only losses are to undefeated Stanford and LSU. I mean really there's probably only going to be 1 At-Large bid this year and with the Big Ten not being that strong I doubt we get 2
I don't care about MSU but they are legit and to see people dismiss them regularly shows how delusional they are.
I think you're spot on. I look forward to the next few years and the rivalry growing.
Now about the success of Dantonio, speak to me when MSU t-shirts start selling in Ann Arbor. Never in a million years do I think MSU jerseys will sell in Ann Arbor.
Truth. We have to respect them. As long as they are little brother they have the ability to surprise. Once we stare them down, we can figure them out
We ought to acknowledge that their footbal team is playing well, that doesn't mean we have to respect them.
They have definitely had good teams for the past couple seasons, but I don't know how much their program has changed in the long run. I'd think it's very hard to lose at least a good share of top prospects to us, OSU and ND yearly and still maintain success. Dantonio might keep averaging 8-9-10 wins per season, but that also means he'd be a prime candidate for a better situation elsewhere (as long as that program had no illusions about the type of players suiting up for their team).
This is going to be one hell of an offseason.
Best case scenario: Dantonio hired by OSU. MSU has to settle for a worse coach (Narduzzi?), and they fall back to being a mediocre team, like they did after Saban left. Meanwhile, I get to hate Dantonio & OSU even more.
Worst case scenario: Dantonio expresses his never ending love for MSU, and OSU hires Urban Meyer.
The best case scenario involves OSU keeping Fickell. I don't want either Meyer or Dantonio in Columbus. Dantonio is a good coach, but the institutional limitations at MSU still constrain him. Witness how we're dominating on the recruiting trail. We will field more talented teams than MSU in the future, even if he's there. That's not necessarily the case regarding OSU.
is that MSU continues to recruit thugs, puts a good/great team on the field year in and year out, we recruit Hoke guys and beat them year in and year out.
Sparty is only stable because of their head coach who is sure to leave soon for greener pastures
I feel like he's getting kind of old though to still be jumping around.
He's already had a heart attack and signed his lifetime contract. I think he'll stay. If OSU calls, he'll probably be very interested, but I don't know where else he might go. What high profile jobs are opening up this offseason? Maybe Georgia?
He would gladly take the osu job even if they were sanctioned.
of a pasture could he be in?
I honestly do not care about MSU at all. Good for them on winning last night but I only concern myself with them the week we play them. Typically this is the approach the national media takes as well. If they can close out the year, then they will start to get some respect. IF!
there is much iron in the words of chief chunkums. see the eagle soar in the heavens above his message.
and no i am not trolling or flamebaiting.
chunks is my SO
Sparty is a good program now.
The problem is, they have been 'good' before. It is usually for a few years, and they either self destruct or their coach leaves. If Dantonio stays for the next 2 decades without problems, they can elevate the program. Who wants to bet on that? MSU still, for most coaches, is a transitional job. Does anyone want to put money if Dantonio got offered the OSU job, he wouldn't leave town in a heart beat?
Additionally, how good they are is still suspect, considering both Michigan and OSU are at their nadir. If OSU gets Meyer, Hoke keeps improving Michigan...how good will MSU be? For example, even this year, would they be better than OSU if they still had Tressel and Pryor? I have my doubts.
So give them credit...right now they are the best team in the Big 10. I just don't know what that means in the grand scheme of things.
I guess this is legitimate, but when it comes to next year at least, they'll probably be even better considering that they get almost everyone back. This is especially true if Worthy stays. In the future, however, I'm not so sure I can see Dantonio jumping ship. He's starting to get a bit too old to be jumping around from job to job.
certainly go pro and cousins, cunningham and a host of others are graduating
I agree with a lot of your points, but I think a lot of people believe that MSU has never proven they can sustain successes. I think right now MSU, as well as a lot of other programs including Wisconsin, and maybe even Iowa are taking good advantage of a few key programs shooting themselves in the foot (Mich, OSU, ND). I think ND showed that once they get out of their own why, they can’t lose to a team like MSU. I believe in another year or two, the Michigan vs. MSU game will start to resemble the MSU vs. ND game of this year. But right now you’re right, they are on top and we’ve got some catching up to do. Next year they lose a lot of key players on that defense as well as their best two options on offense (Cousins, Cunningham). Let’s see if they can replace some of these guys. My guess is no!
Cousins and Cunningham is it though right? I'm pretty sure they return their entire line and all of their backs. Also, they really don't lose that much on D at all.
Worthy might leave for the NFL, meaning MSU would lose their three best players. I know a lot of people here don't think he's that good, but he's really good. A high first round grade may convince him to leave town.
Also, Cousins makes that offense go. We've seen how big the dropoff can be for even the most talented teams when the QB situation isn't right. I'm not sure Cousins's backup is going to be the same level of player.
Cousins is a huge loss, but the OL should be a huge gain considering how poorly they play at times. I see their backs doing a lot more to help the young QB.
Yeah unless you can name a receiver and QB that’s ready to step in and pick up where Cousins and Cunningham left off. Don’t worry I’ll wait… and as the defense goes do you really believe that Worthy is coming back next year because I don’t. All I’m saying is there will be a slight drop off next year at some key positions. They got lucky with Cousins but can they do it again with the next QB. My guess is NO!
Cousins and Cunningham is it though right? I'm pretty sure they return their entire line and all of their backs.
Basically their entire passing game will be gone - Cousins, their top three wide receivers (Cunningham, Martin, Nichol) and their top tight end (Linthicum). So they not only have to replace their QB, but find new receiving targets. They also lose their starting center (Foreman) and I think one other lineman. There might also be a chance Baker will take a look at the NFL Draft, if he finishes the season strongly.
Foreman is the RG....they have a RS Frosh starting at C - Travis Jackson - who handled Mike Martin a lot better than I thought he would. He's good. Their next qb Maxwell is probably better than Cousins skill wise, definitely more mobile and has a better arm. he'll be the starter for 2012 and 2013 barring injury or some miracle underclassman. Bennie Fowler was supposed to be their big #2 WR this year but I don't know that he's played. not sure why. he's good though. They have some talent in the pipes, but it's not like they'll reload like Wisky does with their O-line.
The big concern for the rest of the conference should be that there is only one Senior on that starting Defense (the safety Robinson) - they are very young and going to get a lot better. It's time to admit that D is for real.
The good thing is that I think next year we have Gardner full time at QB and a real Pro Style offense that can ram the ball down their throats and a better D that will scare the new kids on the block.
Monte Ball had just this side of 7 yards a carry last night. It's not like he had an outlier 80 yarder in there to pump up the average either. A mean defense doesn't let anyone do that to them on their home field. State is a good team in a down league at this point. Wisconsin with that pass rush and lack of speed on defense was going to be the Big Ten's BCS golden child? Really?
Give State their due. They shouldn't be blamed for taking care of business. Plus, how bad other teams are isn't their problem. We wouldn't quibble if Michigan were undefeated in the league right now.
On the sword. You'll probably get negged a thousand times but it's the truth. We need to give them credit, look inward and move on already.
We lost to them, it sucks, get over it. We don't just not care about them because its rare to lose 4 in a row, we don't care about them because we have Ohio State.
Nobody cares that we lost to MSU in 1969 and if we beat Ohio State this year, nobody will care about it this year either. To hell with State, start focusing on the games ahead.
Says the guy with the defaced Spartan avatar. If there was ever an outward symbol of the exact denial I'm talking about, you are it.
for the "touche" moments.
methinks I've got another!
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know having an amusing picture as my avatar was the equivelant of making the 30th thread about MSU this week. Every time somebody makes a thread about MSU, we become more like them by constantly talking about them like they do us. Its been 8 days since the game and half the threads on the sidebar are in some way about MSU and not a single one of them says anything new or insightful about them and contains anything that hasn't been discussed to death already.
MSU has a good team this year, they beat us, and they took advantage of Wisconsin's mistakes to beat them and get into the driver's seat. Good for them, let's talk about Purdue.
..the chips these past few seasons have ALWAYS fallen for 'em the right way. Last season - weak B10 schedule (no OSU I believe), a big win over Wisconsin and a terrible loss to Iowa and they whine about not going to Rose.
This season they've passed the gauntlet so far with B10 teams but let's not forget that Gholston should've been suspended during the Michigan game (changes that game in many ways), that they narrowly escaped OSU and that they just got the tip of a lifetime to beat Wisconsin on the last play.
They are a solid team but they've gotten the breaks. They've lived on the edge for three straight weeks. That will end soon. I am predicting a loss to Nebraska (at Nebraska mind you) and a potential let-down to another B10 team before all said and done. Just watch. This team plays on the knife's edge and will get cut before long.
There is, as always, a middle ground between the extreme positions.
MSU has a good team this year. This does not surprise me. I didn't understand why people here kept selling them short in the offseason. Dantonio's a defensive-minded guy, so you have to expect them to be competent on that side of the ball most years. The variable is offense. Right now, they have an excellent QB in Kirk Cousins - and he has a lot of skilled talent to throw to. At one point in the fourth quarter yesterday, he was 14-17 passing. Cousins seems to have a little Tom Brady in him, where he doesn't get rattled and seems to play well when it matters most. They also have a fine pair of backs in Baker/Bell, and some quality talent on the defensive side of the ball. I didn't expect MSU to beat Wisconsin, but I did think it would be a competitive game, and none of their other games has really surprised me.
Having said all that, I'll be surprised if MSU can keep this up. They have a good team right now, but they are not an established program. You can see that in the way that Hoke stepped in and promptly went 10 for 10 or whatever against them in recruiting. Spartan Stadium is a smallish concrete eyesore that only sells out for some games. The practice facilities are so-so. Dantonio himself is paid less than Tom Izzo. MSU has been viewing itself as a basketball school over the past decade. An MSU coach still has to work much harder than a U-M coach in recruiting. In the recent past, they've benefitted from a combination of factors:
1. John L. Smith, while a disaster in most aspects, recruited some solid offensive talent (including Cousins, who committed before JLS was fired).
2. Dan Enos, MSU's lead recruiter in Detroit until 2011, recruited the city unsually well for MSU. In addition, the coach at Southeastern HS steered kids to MSU.
3. Rich Rodriguez's arrival at U-M gave MSU "brand differentiation". When Carr was here, Dantonio had to sell his program as basically a watered-down version of U-M. When RR was here, Dantonio could stress that his program was the one that emphasized defense and power running. Edwin Baker, for instance, was apparently a guy that was favoring us before the coaching change, and then he ended up at MSU.
4. The simple fact that U-M hasn't been good. Anytime we're weak, that creates an opening.
These have changed. Cousins and the remaining JLS guys are gone. Enos is at CMU now, and the Detroit Southeastern coach has been fired. We now have Hoke and will return to our philosophical roots. The final step for us is #4: winning on the field.
This is all true, but even with the dip in recruiting due to various coaching changes, I still think they'll be a solid 7-9 win team with Dantonio, and not a gimmie like they had been under JLS and Bobby Williams. Also, JLS didn't recruit defense for crap, so that says something about Dantonio and the gang.
I can buy that, but a Michigan program operating at full strength shouldn't be too worried about 7-5-caliber opponents. I don't think MSU will be much more than that in the long run. Most years they'll be an underdog against Michigan and Nebraska, and OSU/PSU whenever they play - and Iowa is no gimmie (in fact, Iowa's had their number lately).
It's true JLS didn't recruit much on defense. I think that defensive talent can be masked by coaching to a somewhat higher degree than on offense. Even if you lack defensive talent, if you can just get your 11 players to communicate together, understand their responsibilities and be technically sound, you'll be decent defensively. On offense, OTOH, if your QB is poor, there's not much you can do.
JM -- I normally like your posts on this board, but have to call you on this one. You're attributing part of MSU's recent successes to John L Smith?! Really?? While I agree that the rest of the B1G is down, MSU is doing some things to take advantage of the situation. IMO, the past 5 years under Dantonio haven't been an aberration. His recruiting has been fairly consistent (top20-top30) each year and this upcoming year is looking no different. He is consistently placing 4th and 5th in the B1G in recruiting each year. Most of the "stars" on this team are 2 and 3 star guys that are OSU rejects anyway (Marcus Rush, Denicos Allen, Cousins with no D-1 offers, etc) so I don't see that changing very much.
Also, once Hoke has a year or 2 under his belt with his guys, I really think the MSU/UM game rivalry will be 6-4 or 5-5 over a span of 10 years. As long as there are competent coaches on both sides of the ball, this won't be a runaway rivalry like it has been at times IMO
I'm not attributing a big part of the success to JLS, but he did leave some offensive talent to plug holes while Dantonio was getting his feet wet. Cousins, Ringer, Dell, Gantt - those guys were/are pretty solid. If the offense had been as lacking on talent as the defense was when Dantonio got there, those first few seasons would have been a lot worse.
I'm not going to go so far as to predict that Michigan will rip off a bunch of wins in a row in the series, but I think it will return to where it was in the late '80s/'90s, where we won about two-thirds of the time. The two schools are now largely recruiting the same types of players and - so far, anyway, those players are choosing Michigan.
Ironically, I had just written a post on that and decided not to hit "save". I think that, over time, some of those guys will play to their scouted level. Yes, Dantonio has shown he's good at evaluating talent, but right now I think MSU is playing above it's scouted talent level. If you average that over a decade, there will be some regression to the mean when a 2* plays like a 2*, and not lights out like the guys GBS mentioned.
Look at Notre Dame and what happened to them last night. Year in and year out they have five-start quarterbacks, five-star receivers, all of this talent, and they perennially underachieve. Look at Florida State. If recruit talent was the only thing the only thing that mattered, Lou Holtz would usually be more or less right about his predictions for ND.
I'm not sure what it is that makes Dantonio so effective. It's not like he's a Rich Rod (at West Virginia, not the way it worked out at Michigan) or Chip Kelly type guy playing moneyball with an innovative spread-and-shred scheme. It's not like he doesn't try to create the same kind of traditional smash-mouth offense and tough defense that other schools do. But he's managed to be effective with it with less recruiting talent.
A lot of people here are very concerned about MSU, and I say this as a Michigan fan, because Dantonio's success is confusing more than anything else. He doesn't come from a school with very much history of success, he wasn't a big-name coach when you hired him, he doesn't stock his classes with four-star and five-star recruits, he doesn't have an innovative scheme on offense, and he's never won a bowl game. His success, in the MGoBlog worldview, is completely inexplicable, but at this point it's undeniable.
Obviously relying on highly touted classes comes with the implicit understanding that coaching is more or less equal. The schools you name all lost coaches due to underperforming in their coaching responsibilities to good athletes.
I don't deny that the evidence shows Dantonio can string together successful seasons (8-9 wins) the way he develops and scouts talent. My point of contention is whether he can continue to do what he's done in 2010 and 2011 (10-11 wins) with the same type of recruits season after season. My answer would be probably not, because just like with 4/5* athletes, some 2/3*'s that Dantonio recruits won't turn into Cousins or Jones. They'll play to how they were scouted by other coaches, and that leaves a hole. Doesn't mean Michigan will exploit it, but between us, Nebraska, OSU or PSU that will be exploited in most years.
The reason Peterson and Patterson are such hot tickets in the coaching world lies in the fact that very, very few people can get "out recruited" and still field elite level teams on a regular basis. Maybe Dantonio can, but the odds seem small.
I was a Sophmore at MSU when our last game was against Hawaii to become bowl eligible and we choked that game away and ended the year with 5 wins. After yesterday, we just became bowl eligible in October. In my student days, I had no idea such a concept was even possible.
says that. The averages always come home. Texas will be better than Missouri long term, USC better than Arizona St, Georgia better than Miss St. Doesn't mean the latter programs can't compete in cycles.
WTF is Dontonio ?
People keep going "We Don't Care", but if that was the case, there wouldn't be so many threads about State. There wouldn't be so many posts on those threads. State is good right now and it's bugging people. If we really "don't care", let's move on and talk about beating Purdue this Saturday.
State isn't going anywhere anytime soon. They have become a Wisconsin-level program. Not enough talent to really contend for the MNC, but certainly enough to contend for the B10 most years. They are developing 3 star recruits into impact players (Worthy), getting meh QB recruits to RS & play smart (Kork Coupons).
Their D recruiting has improved a TON over the last 2-3 years to the point where they are replacing 4 star LB talent with the same level recruits. Their DEs are top quality. State will have a very good to great D for the forseeable future.
It's on offense where the OL recuriting has been 'meh' but they have performed weel above expectations. They lose Cunningham and Coupons, but retrun everyone else on the team assuming Worthy returns. Their Rbs are solid and WR is an easy psoition group to replace when you return everyone in the running game.
The big question is, will the QB next year make Sparty miss Cap'n Crunch? Because it's pretty clear the D isn't going anywhere and the rest of the offense returns, save Cunningham.
They lose more than that on offense. Basically every skill-position guy (including the TE) they have involved in their passing game right now is a senior.
|2007||Michigan State||7–6||3–5||T–7th||L Champs Sports|
|2008||Michigan State||9–4||6–2||3rd||L Capital One|
|2009||Michigan State||6–7||4–4||T–6th||L Alamo|
|2010||Michigan State||11–2||7–1||T–1st||L Capital One|
1 good season and B10 championship (if you can call it that because they didn't play OSU), 0 BCS bowls, 0 bowl wins,1 double digit win season and they are suddenly wisconsin??
guys wisconsin has been going to the rose bowl on average a couple times a decade under bielema and alvarez.
im very much willing to give sparty their due but a good year last year and a potentially good year this year and all of a sudden they are wisconsin?
you can't be serious can you? "Who cares about the last two years where msu went 11-2 and this year have the chance to do it again, overall under dantonio they haven't been that good!" Makes perfect sense...
edit: plus they've beaten wisconsin two years in a row. That's not an easy thing to do. They absolutely shafted us last year and would absolutely shaft us this year too.
I don't buy the "recruiting is shifting the tide back to us" right now. This is simply a bedtime story generated to make us feel safe at night. The truth? The truth is that we have had the better recruiting classes. Want proof?
Ranking by Team by Year
2011: U-M 21, MSU 31
2010: U-M 20, MSU 30
2009: U-M 8, MSU 17
2008: U-M 10, MSU DNR
2007: U-M 12, MSU 42
The meat of their team is made up of guys who know their posittion. Recruiting is not the answer for us, only one part of the equation. Now this wouldn't be fair to present without stating that we are on our 3rd head coach in the same amount of time, and that our offense and defensive schemes have suffered because of it, but we are being beat with lesser talent right now. We can laugh if we want about our 2012 class compared to theirs, but they will probably sign a few more kids and move up into the top 30. That should be more than enough to compete with us and make for an interesting rivalry.
The key to all this for us and them is coaching. We keep ours and so do they. Dantonio puts his teams in a position to win. We need our coaches to do the same. They got it versus Notre Dame, and didn't versus Michigan State. Michigan State was a more winnable game statistically. We lost that game at the end. We had to perform miracles to win Notre Dame. If the strategy in the 4th quarter against MSU was "Denard go do what Denard do" then we probably wouldn't have 80% of the topics on this esteemed blog crying and bitching about a team we claim is inferior.
We may have had better recruiting classes on paper those years, but how many of those guys we signed: 1) made it to campus; 2) stayed four years; and 3) actually panned out on the field? What would our rankings have looked like if guys like Dorsey, Turner et al. were removed from the equation?
Watching the last four games in the U-M/MSU series, it's been clear to me that our talent level has been down. We have not had a single 100-yard rusher or 100-yard receiver in any of those four games. We've recorded very few sacks/TFLs. We've generally made very few great individual plays. Remember Woodson's INT and Braylon's leaping TDs? Where have those plays been from us lately? Maybe the last really spectacular individual play by a Michigan player in the rivalry was Stonum's 60-yard TD in 2009, and unfortunately he's suspended right now.
Whether you want to blame it on Carr, Rodriguez, Martin, Brandon, the phases of the moon - we have not had Michigan-level talent on the field. (It's not only manifested itself against MSU, of course. We used to have a 1,000-yard tailback and 1,000-yard receiver every year, and we haven't had either since 2007.) Now, it's possible that our 2012 recruiting ranking is inflated, but there's no particular reason to believe that right now. If MSU's coaching staff has a good eye for talent, then the fact that MSU wanted a lot of these guys is a good sign.
Donovan Warren 5* - worked out pretty good one more year would have been nice
Ryan Mallett 5* - worked out good (for Arkansas)
Toney Clemons 4* - yeah, Colorado? How's 1-7 feel, does that feel like Lloyd Carr? (sorry I couldn't help it)
Mike Williams 4* - too bad about him, concussions
Martell Webb 4* - Rich Rodriguez - tight end - that is all
Ryan Van Bergen 4* - those who stay
There is definately merit to your point about developing players and attrition of players. I am glad to see that we have kept a lid on attrition for the most part. Only two of those "top recruits" have worked out. That is just football for the most part. Injury, development, utilizing player assets. Compare to MSU for discussion point.
Kirk Cousins 3* - pretty much had his way with U-M
BJ Cunningham 3* - all time MSU legend at reciever
Greg Jones 3* - back to back 1st Team All American
Mark Dell 4* - played in 47 games, started in 27
I know I have picked some players out and not included the entire list, but it does make the point further that development is as important as recruitment. It does serve for interesting discussion because of the current state of our program; and the future that we are headed for.
2007 record 9-4 (5-3 Big Ten) L Outback, Tenn
2007 record 7-6 (3-5 Big Ten) L, Citrus FSU
2009 record 10–3 (5–3 Big Ten) W Champs Sprots Miami
2010 record 11–2 (7–1 Big Ten) L, Rose TCU
2011 record 6-1 (2-1 B10)
43-16 (22-13) 1-3 Bowl
39-20 (23-12) 0-4 Bowl
I'll let you figure out which team is which (and whose been playing ND every year in the OOC instead of Fresno St)
enough about state that I would not miss them if they left the B1g for the MAC (or other) and we did not play them again.
We don't get riled up over the big UM vs CMU game or the heated UM vs EMU game. So why does anyone get all excited over the UM vs MSU game?
We don't really compete for the same kids. The only player that I recall that went to MSU that had a M offer was Pittman, and it remains to be seen if he has the grades to make it.
I want to win every game on the schedule, no matter who it is. So if MSU was off the schedule and CMU was put on the schedule, I would cheer for M to beat them too.
In my opinion, MSU is NOT a rivalry game.
MGoBlog readers: Which scenario would you prefer?
A. MSU doing well with a prune-faced, DOOSH-y coach who often looks the other way at criminal behavior (on and off the field).
B. MSU doing well with a coach who is respected (if not loved) by all. Pat Fitzgerald may not be the best example, but he's the one who came to mind. What if Sparty had a coach like that and a true law-and-order program?
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I'd much prefer the first scenario.
I like MSU being the villain. Now the good guy just has to win.
I honestly dont care about MSU at all. They mean nothing to me. There becoming a threat but I still just dont care about them.
but if they keep kicking our ass you will have to acknowledge them. Michigan has to get back to respectability and take care of business with MSU and tsio. Then we can all say "we don't care about them".
MSU is a legitimate threat. I agree it takes more than one year to make a program. They are known as being the same ol spartans because they always crumble. Thats why they never got the big recruits. We have the advantage of a rich history and offer the best stadium and best uniforms in the country for recruits. Its also nice to tell them to be a part of the winningest football program ever.
But MSU went 11-2 last year. What if (big IF) they win the first ever big 10 championship game this year? They're defense is killer and they are young (they'll lose Worthy to the NFL, and Robinson to graduation, and Gholston to the State Pen), so they'll still be good next year. I think kids are going to start to think MSU is becoming legitimate. How will their 2013 class look? Remember, these kids were only 5 or 6 when Woodson led us to our last national championship. Their perspective might be a little different
MSU is not like CMU or WMU. We have actually beaten them the last 4 years. Its about time for our staff to take this game seriously and take the state of Michigan back, like it always has been.
I have a feeling our staff is taking the game seriously.
We have a countdown clock.
Dantonio does develop 3 star talent into sometimes, i repeat sometimes NFL caliber draftable players, and since MSU joined the Big Ten...they have a close record vs Michigan...but Michigan will always rule the State and get what recruits they want . It really is kinda like Purdue vs ND for in state recruiting. Only a MSU victory binge will change that. Hoke takes this rivalry much more seriously then RR did.