MSU Penalty on the snap?
http://longsnap.com/2010/08/28/nfl-and-ncaa-rules-regarding-snappers/ Could this have been legitimately called? The rules seem to have been implemented in 2010 and I haven't seen anything that was updated. It's the first I've ever heard of such a rule and I've never seen it called in a game.
Looking at the replay, it did look as if Sypnieski (spelling?) was bowled over on the snap.
October 18th, 2015 at 10:32 PM ^
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October 18th, 2015 at 10:47 PM ^
I've seen you comment in a similar vein elsewhere, and I agree with you... to a point. Good teams don't need calls (or luck, or crazy blocked punts) to go their way to win. In fact, I think that is a pretty good definition of a good team: one that wins despite calls and freak plays. BUT, I also believes a good team plays by the rules... not the rules as written so much, but the rules as enforced. From this perspective I think it is important and reasonable to scrutinize calls in a game that could have been or were relevant. For me it's not an "oh, well, we had that game stolen because they illegally ran over the long-snapper", but rather, I'd like an honest and open reply from the NCAA... they've got this rule on the books, do they intend to enforce it or not? I think it would probably be good for our ST coaches and players to know. We like to think that the Harbaugh staff is on top of all the details... so let's get the details. If it isn't an enforced rule, then we'll play accordingly. If it is supposed to be enforced... well... then... well, it was only one play in a 60 minute game, but it sure was a hell of a play to miss a call on...
October 19th, 2015 at 2:20 AM ^
We don't "think that the Harbaugh staff is on top of all the details;" we KNOW the Harbaugh staff is "on top of all the details."
He also knows that there is nothing to be gained right now by saying anything more about it in public. I am guessing that a lot of tape is going to the league office with pertinent and relevant questions.
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October 18th, 2015 at 10:34 PM ^
I missed it.
October 18th, 2015 at 10:35 PM ^
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October 19th, 2015 at 12:13 AM ^
Ray, they violated the #### out of it
October 19th, 2015 at 1:31 PM ^
was tripped in the end zone without a pass interference penalty. The score stays the same.
Officiating will never be perfect. Players and coaches make mistakes too. All the time.
Time to move on. There's a lot of football yet to be played this season. No one seems unbeatable in our division. Let's see how things play out.
October 18th, 2015 at 10:35 PM ^
They did set a couple players in motion
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October 18th, 2015 at 10:42 PM ^
So, are you saying it is not a penalty?
October 18th, 2015 at 11:01 PM ^
I'm saying that the game is over, and has been over for more than 24 hours. Whether it was a penalty or not makes not one bit of difference now.
If you want to get philosophical then I would say that If a ref doesn't call it then it is not a penalty. Is it bullshit that they missed it? I would say yes, but it doesn't change the fact that the team lost.
:edit: just noticed you didn't reply to me.
October 18th, 2015 at 11:03 PM ^
Peace
October 18th, 2015 at 11:05 PM ^
:chest pound:
One love
October 18th, 2015 at 10:49 PM ^
if it is a shift from a punt to a non-punt formation.
If they are still in a punt formation the rule still applies.
It is not the shift alone, but a shift to something other than a punt formation that negates the long snapper rule.
October 18th, 2015 at 10:51 PM ^
Thank you. That makes sense.
October 18th, 2015 at 10:58 PM ^
" II. NCAA Rule 9-1-2-o
When a team is in scrimmage kick formation, a defensive player may not initiate contact with the snapper until one second has elapsed after the snap (A.R. 9-1-2-XVIII-XX)."
No mention of motion.
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October 18th, 2015 at 10:36 PM ^
If the teams had been reversed with Michigan recovering a fumbled punt to win the game, I have complete confidence that Michigan would have been called for a penalty.
October 18th, 2015 at 10:52 PM ^
jumped early, the flag is there this stupid scrum is going to be done over right? No flag? About another 20 seconds elapsed and I turned it off. We lose our top tackler for being pushed on top of a guy, Sparty cheats in their very Dantonio way and it's just good to go? game over. Whatever.
October 18th, 2015 at 10:53 PM ^
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October 18th, 2015 at 10:44 PM ^
I don't know. I have seen worse calls than this at the last play. TDs have been called back.
October 19th, 2015 at 6:42 AM ^
October 19th, 2015 at 8:26 AM ^
Then they need to go back and play school until they can get it right. We got jobbed, multiple times through the game. Now I have to deal with (and pay) several Sparty co-workers who are just insufferable on a normal day.
Anger.
October 19th, 2015 at 10:28 AM ^
I loathe this mentality. They don't want to decide the game, thereby deciding the game.
Same with the egregious hold on the play that made us unable to tackle. If it was a kick return, that's a penalty call every time. But since it's a crazy final play, the ref stands there dumbfounded.
October 19th, 2015 at 1:11 PM ^
Why not? He would be throwing the flag almost immediately after the snap and well before MSU recovered the ball. He isn't therefore taking anything away from MSU.
October 18th, 2015 at 10:41 PM ^
Unless there is a new rule introduced that allows a game to be restarted more than 24 hours after it has ended in order to review a possible infraction then this shit is pointless.
October 19th, 2015 at 1:00 PM ^
In fact, the only thing more pointless is people whing about how pointless other peoples' opinions are...
October 19th, 2015 at 1:13 PM ^
oh quit being a grumbler. Had to say it; actually I agree with your statement.
October 19th, 2015 at 5:03 PM ^
Kind of like how it is more pointless to "whing" about how pointless it is to "whing" about how pointless other people's opinions are?
Too infinity, and beyond.
October 18th, 2015 at 10:42 PM ^
It's information I didn't know and I appreciate you taking the time to educate me on this.
October 18th, 2015 at 10:45 PM ^
of many bad calls and non-calls in that game. One of the worst officiated games I have ever seen.
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October 19th, 2015 at 8:01 AM ^
I have a border collie. I promise you the dog is very happy running around like that. They love to do "jobs" and that is a job to them.
October 18th, 2015 at 11:30 PM ^
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Gif. After this weekend, that made my day.
October 18th, 2015 at 11:05 PM ^
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Calls simply aren't made unless they are major. So unless Sypniewski's head fell off they weren't going to call anything. Refs are encouraged to swallow the whistle late to avoid messing up the game. Some refs follow that, some don't. The crew yesterday did.
October 18th, 2015 at 11:20 PM ^
I believe he took a tumble or two after getting hit, then sat there. Not sure if he was trying to sell a penalty or not, but it's not like he just got bumped over.
October 18th, 2015 at 11:25 PM ^
An apology from B1G would be nice. Won't happen and doesn't change the loss. It just helps with arguments with sparty, which is idiotic anyway. I think it does help our punter, whether he needs that help or not.
October 19th, 2015 at 6:43 AM ^
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