...per the front page of SpartanTailgate.
MSU offers Ed Davis...
why it took so long? from all the film on the internet, this kid is quite an athlete....
Has been really stepping up there recruiting of linebackers
I'm all ears...
I talk to Ed quite a bit, and it seems that a lot has changed since he got his Michigan offer. I talked to him tonight about the MSU offer, and he told me this:
I got an offer from them (Michigan State). Iowa and MSU are my top two right now. I heard some things from a few people about Michigan, so I'm not sure about them right now.
Being an inquisitive person, I asked what he had heard, and who it was from. He had this to say.
I just heard that the coaches might not even be there, and that I would get left behind. I had kind of heard it before, but I wasn't really thinking about it like that before.
He told me it's not over with Michigan, and he doesn't want the Michigan coaches to think he isn't interested, either. This "issue" that was recently brought to his attention has him concerned, and he wants to take his time with how he makes his decision.
Ed hasn't sat down with his parents and talked to them about his concern, yet, but he will be soon. Take from this what you want.
Sounds like some more negative recruiting coming out of East Lansing.
It's not from them.
I see. Suspicion withdrawn then.
Look at Iowa's coaches.. there is one in particular.
You have the right to be suspicious, I'm just telling you it wasn't the MSU coaches.
saying it's his HS coaches maybe? or a college program? im lost....
He's from the same high school as William Gholston...
aka Sparty by proxy?
Tom is it the freep?
A newspaper is negatively recruiting high school kids?!?! Alright, now I've heard everything.
You could sort of say they have been negative recruiting us for the past 3 years. If I read nothing but the freep, I wouldn't come anywhere near Michigan's football program. They managed to take the best dual threat QB in the nation last year and not include him on their dream team.
Have you ever heard a man eat his own head? Well I guess you haven't heard everything.
The FREEP has arranged to have a "special edition" delivered to Ed Davis' doorstep each day. In addition, Rosenberg and Sharp ride their bikes over each day to tell him how mean, bad, and nasty RichRod is.
Munchausen by Proxy?
My favorite psychological disorder!
from Yes Man.
Damn, Eastern Michigan is at it again.
Maybe it's Toledo doing the negative recruiting here. I checked both his profiles on Rivals and Scout and both say he's a 3* player. So what's the big deal here? It's still June for ___ sake! Michigan has so few scholarships to give out this year. I would rather see them go to top flight players and not just blown on any kid. If he wants to go to Toledo or Iowa or MSU well maybe he belongs there. Michigan can do better IMO.
Iowa won the orange bowl last year
...anyone would even have to bring this up. I would expect that any young man about to commit four years to a school would already have this among his considerations, whether the coach in question was Coach Rodriguez, Zook, or Brewster.
I mean seriously, if the equipment sponsor is a factor, coaching longevity is a factor.
When practically every major media outlet puts RR on the hotseat (whether this is correct or incorrect), why immediately point the finger at a rival? I mean, it's as or more likely that he saw it on ESPN.
I don't think you understand.
on ESPN in the last two weeks since receiving a UM offer, naming UM his leader and then visiting Iowa and MSU his current leaders?
You're right, I've never heard of a recruit who changes his leader after every visit.
We were talking about where he heard "UM coaches won't be around." You suggested that it was ESPN. My point is that would have to had happened in the last couple weeks.
Is it unusual to change leaders after a visit? Of course not. But to come out of visits saying that he heard "UM coaches weren't going to be around" is disconcerting and would suggest that he did not hear it from ESPN.
No, you're right. You've uncovered the great conspiracy against Michigan. Congratulations, the illuminati at MSU and Iowa will be furious.
It's not a conspiracy against Michigan. Just Rodriguez.
I'm not claiming any conspiracy whatsoever. Negative recruiting is a way of life in College Football and if you don't recognize that I don't know what to tell you. We are just seeing negative recruiting in action here. Nothing more nothing less. And this is one subject area that is ripe for this type of action.
And this is not to suggest that UM doesn't participate in negative recruiting as well, I'm sure they do. We just don't hear about it over here. But I bet if you perused the MSU boards you would find reports of similar stories.
I sincerely hope that Michigan negatively recruits. There's no virtue in bringing a knife to a gun fight and negative information is just as likely to be useful as positive information. Half of recruiting is convincing recruits that you are the right fit, and the other half is convincing them that the other schools are the wrong fit. Rodriguez and/or his staff need to tell Demetrius Hart that SEC schools oversign and then dump whoever they don't want. They need to tell Ed Davis that MSU has a thug program and that if he wants to get away from those kind of people, Dantonio is not a guy he wants to play for. And they need to remind Valdez Showers that Urban Meyer almost quit last year because of the immense pressure. I'm not saying that they should make up shit or be dishonest, but bring to light the obvious flaws in competing programs. Our competitors aren't going to volunteer that information.
Why are you here? Don't you have a cooler you need to go take a dump in?
They're very sensitive about negative recruiting, no matter how rational or reasonable it is
Your version of the events:
1. Rich Rodriguez has been on the hot seat for at least the last six months, which is repeatedly stated on ESPN.
2. Ed Davis gets offered by Michigan and is seriously considering committing.
3. He visits other schools.
4. Ed Davis sits down to watch SportsCenter, sees a talking head saying Rodriguez is on the hot seat.
5. Ed Davis puts other schools in the lead.
....."or you can come to State, where this staff will never get fired because mediocrity is considered success here!"
EDIT: .....and did not refresh to read the above, so accusation withdrawn, but point still stands.
The fact that RR and every member of his coaching staff are on the hot seat and might not be around for 2011 is something every potential recruit has known for months. Michigan's defense has been awful the past two years, resulting in the replacement of the DC at the end of the 2008 season and a defensive position coach at the end of last season. And you cannot read an article about Michigan or RR these days without it somewhere mentioning that this is a make or break year for Coach Rod. But, signing day is not until next Feb. and any recruits who would pick Michigan as their #1 if it weren't for this issue should be willing to wait until at least a majority of the 2010 season is over before deciding to commit somewhere else. If Michigan shows significant progress in 2010, this issue largely goes away.
...winning cures all.
If Rodriguez goes 8-4 or 9-3 or something like that, it will be more clear that Rodriguez will stick around.
Until then, recruits have good reason to be skeptical.
Which is the same reasoning any potential USC Junior or Senior would apply.
Pros: There is an opportuntiy for immediate playing time at Michigan.
Cons: (In the USC case) Why would I go 2/3rds of the way across the country, when there is a risk of coaching hot seat chaos all season long, coaching change next season, and they haven't been full cycle with the NCAA yet ...
Recruiting is going to be a rough trail for Rich and staff until they get past the two monkeys on thier collective backs. Fortunately, signing day isn't until after the season. Just win baby!
MICHIGAN ONLY HAS IM GUESSING 19 SPOTS, SO THEY NEED ALOT OF REALLY GOOD PLAYERS. ARE CLASS IS PRETTY GOOD RIGHT KNOW, SO KEEP IT UP COACH RICH ROD. AFTER THIS SEASON EVERY MICHIGAN FAN WILL LOVE YOU.GO BLUE!!!!!!!!!!!
What is this innanity you are trying to spew out?
Stop Yelling Asshole.
Can we take some points awy from this guy!!!!!!!!!!
A million exclamation points isn't an improvement over caps lock...
Honestly, I think it is.
I still negged the guy anyway...
that you could say your bowel movements have improved when they go from straight water to a soupy mix.
Thanks for that. Just what I needed to get my day started off right.
Biscuits and sausage gravy for breakfast?
Especially when he's asking a question. Which would require questionmarks.
Alot of people are already hating, and all i am doing is telling the truth. why do you Michigan fans got to hate on others Michigan fans, don't know.
Just a tip... This isn't Mlive.
its nice to see a fellow with more negative points then me
This year, when we put up 9 wins, all of the negative recruiting and writing goes away. If this kid doesn't want to get aboard, he will miss the boat. Best of luck to him, but this is Michigan! There will be others that will be happy to take his place, with just as much athleticism, should he not see himself as a Wolverine.
I'll end up with a lot of negative points for this, but some of these kids are being contacted and "de-recruited by Anti RR people from Michigan. If this not the case then why would these kids seem to buy the negative information so easily? These kids are not easily swayed by other programs tossing out some negative information. We have to give them more credit than that. My next question would be how the hell does a coach at another program know the inner workings of a rival? It's painfully too obvious to me that the negative recruiting is an inside job.
pass me that tin foil hat over there son.
It's just one of the natures of the beast in recruiting. Nobody on the Iowa staff (or MSU staff, for that matter) has any knowledge of the inner workings in Ann Arbor (although I'm sure one of them could give the impression that he does). Saying "they're all going to be fired" is just a scare tactic. Is it a possibility? Absolutely, we all know that. But there's no "inside info" being whispered into these kids' ears. It's just the typical negative recruiting that's always gone on. A few years ago it was "Oh, Lloyd is sick, you don't wanna go there, he's gonna retire soon." Now it's "Oh, Rich and all the others are getting fired, the AD doesn't support them, they're going down."
As for why recruits buy it, well...do you really trust high school kids to think clearly and think things through all the time?
agree with the possibilty of negative recruiting at other universities. I do not agree with your assumption that these kids are making decisions without some feedback from parents and or coaches or other advisors ie family friends or ministers.
1. there are persons in the Athletic Dept. who would leak possibly damning info to the press.
2. Dave Brandon has acknowledeged there is a split in the "Michigan Family".
3. Former players/Alums openly show contempt for the present coach in the media.
4. Former players trashing the head coach on their way out the door (proven to be false)
5. Alumni in the media has trashed the coach before a game is played.
But there are no Michigan employees that wou;d tamper with or contact a prospective recruit and warn him that RR and his staff would be gone before he graduates. I know what it sounds like I really want to say this would never happen, but look at all the other crap that I would never like to see happen at Michigan.
You really think that people inside the Michigan Athletic Department are negatively recruiting prospects that M is targeting? First of all, there is absolutely no evidence for your assertion. Secondly, may I refer you to Occam's razor?
This post has to be fake.
Troll City, USA.
Formerly known as Columbus, OH.
Putting myself in the recruits shoes, I would question going to Michigan too if the coaches might not be there in one year. I think this a very reasonable concern for a kid and I think we can squash it with some early Ws. Honestly if he wants to go to state and win 7 games and get mashed in a bowl game, let him.
7 wins and a bowl game?
I'll take it
Trust me, a year or two from now you won't be saying that. Sparties still will.
Remember, MSU couldn't get 7 wins last year, after a bowl game and without OSU on their schedule. It's not like their season was leaps and bounds ahead of ours.
For many, many reasons. But among them would've been the sheer delight I would've felt the first time somebody tried to negatively recruit and say, "You don't wanna go to school X, because this might be true." I would say, "Yes, well, it might. But it might also be true here as well, and at least they don't go around stabbing their competition in the back."
And then I would get up and leave. I'd leave the coach flabbergasted.
for using "flabbergasted." Perfect.
If he uses "flummoxed" in another post.
All the more reason why I want to see them run up the score on certain people this season.
* every people
I'd be fine with a solid win over UCONN but not running up the score (no need to score again if we're up by 21 in the 4th). I still feel bad for those kids after the stabbing last year.
I guess we will just have to settle for Kris Frost.
This is one of the dumbest recruiting threads I have ever seen
But, it doesnt surprise me since its subject matter tailors itself to the conspiracy, WAH WAH WAH EVerybody is out to get my Michigan, crowd.
Quit breathing heavy on high school boys, go to beach and talk to somebody in a bikini.
Go do it now!!!
but MGoObject of Desire Miranda Kerr is now taken. We'll have to find a new board girl of general-reference -as-hot.
Jamie is telling you to go out of the house, and (gasp) talk to an actual girl. Who lives near you. And you have a chance with.
Not some girl who you've seen in someone's avatar.
Blazefire is married.
Stop being cranky.
Also, Miranda Kerr is not "some girl." She is "The Girl."
Also also, it's time for the big reveal . . . my name is Orlando Bloom. Sorry, fellas.
IIRC you're a teacher right? Don't scare me with thinking that Orlando Bloom is actually educating the nation's youth in anything other than surfing down some stairs on a shield sniping orcs with a bow.
I am a huge success story when it comes to education. I suffer from dyslexia, but I find I can read better when scripts are typewritten on green or yellow paper. I'm an inspiration to all young dyslexics out there.
Also, I made out with Keira Knightley. I'm a badass.
NOW you're going to find out that it's true... she does indeed poop, and it is stinky and gross just like the rest of us.
Ed Davis's eligibility ran out after the 1995 season.
I thought he was a likely lottery pick in tomorrow's NBA draft?