No. They've had teams in the past of MNC caliber. This is not one of those teams.
frank beamer #1
No. They've had teams in the past of MNC caliber. This is not one of those teams.
Look up the 50's and 60's, then get back to me.
Good point. UMich was slammed for similar reasons ("MOST LOSSES EVER IN SEASON OMG WTF UNACCEPTABLE!!!") in '08. Winning percentage wasn't considered.
Since more games are added to the schedule every year, it dilutes it down. A team that got 9 wins in 9 games is statistically better than a team that got 9 wins in 12 games.
+1 for your avatar, -1 for Spartyislol.
and since I couldn't plus 2 it, I forewent the negative for the post.
This isn't MSUGoBlog.
It`s good for everyone to understand that they are to love their enemies, simply because your enemies show you things about yourself you need to change. So in actuality enemies are friends in reverse.
a GB quotation as well?
I suppose I should just google it.
edit: It sounds like something from the movie Peaceful Warrior.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
(I do tend to agree with you though)
Mississippi State, don't care about the other MSpU.
Agreed, this is almost as dumb as another CC thread.
Why would we debate this? Lets debate whether or not Robinson will run for 200 and pass for 300, or run for 300 and pass for 200?
To me, the most important point of my thread was comparing MSU and U of M's record of double digit wins. What caught my attention when looking at a statistics site was MSU's futility, and U of M's overall historical success.
What caught my attention when looking at a statistics site was MSU's futility, and U of M's overall historical success.
You shouldn't need a statistics site for that. Just sayin'.
Your avatar is intriguing to me, this subject is not.
I made this post because I thought it might get a good discussion going. It's better than another CC thread! I am in my 40's, so I don't remember the 1950's and 1960's, but am aware that Sparty had some good teams. If they had a history of being good, it would not matter how many games they played. Michigan had double digit wins seven times before 1947. Of course those were undefeated seasons and there was little room for error.
Hey, I'm in my 40's, not dead! lol
What is this supposed to do? Make the past three years feel better? God I hope we start winning sometime soon.
Is "no". They've had National Championship teams, and this is a team most likely to get waxed by Alabama (and they did by Iowa). You don't have to have been alive to know some history. I didn't fight in WWII, but I know it happened. To have a discussion, at least bone up on the history first. And then when you realize it's become "who's the best MSU team of all time", guess it's probably not MGoBlog material. Now, in the off season next week, if you want to ask "'97 team- better than Bo's best, Yost's teams, or the Mad Magicians?", THEN we're rolling.
I believe that MSU claims 6 national championships.
Their '65 and '66 teams were considered among the greatest college football teams of all-time at the time.
In the early '50's they had a 28 game winning streak.
All while playing some of the nation's toughest schedules.
From 1947-1966 they were a national power, perhaps 2nd only to Bud Wilkinson's Oklahoma teams. Sort of like Miami(YTM) from 1980-1999
What makes this really funny is that MSU fans are the first to accuse Michigan fans of "living in the past" whenever all-time records are brought up. I think MSU going 11-1 and being stuck in the Crap-it-all One bowl says a lot more about MSU's "relevance" than I could in a book's worth of expletives.
Did you refer to UM's awesome victory over Florida in 2008 as the "Crap-it-all One Bowl"?
Yeah, I'm confused by people putting down the Capitol One Bowl. Outside of the BCS games, it's the biggest bowl game in CFB with the most prestigious non-BCS Bowl match-up.
I dislike MSU as much as the next guy, but going to the Capitol One Bowl is a good season.
undefeated teams in '51 and '52. I don't believe they were fully in the Western Conference/Big Ten yet, so no Rose Bowl until after the '53 season.
It appears (Wiki) that their all-time bowl record v. USC is 2-0.
They seem to have been much bigger before 1966 or so than at any time since. A lot of this co-incides with UM's sort-of nadir after Woody took over down south in 1951 and before Bo came in '69, so there doesn't appear to be any serious stretch of what one could call memorable rivalry games.
(1901-4, for instance) were before the Western Conference, and other governing authorities, started limiting the number of games in a season to seven or so, and then working their way back up. Don't get me wrong; in this case, we're clearly better-established. Sparty doesn't go back as far, and hasn't really dominated in the last 44 years or so.
It just so happens that none of Sparty's years of greatness appear to line up with our own, unlike Brown U.'s in the 1890's, or Minnesota's in the '20's-'50's.
Who the hell cares? Ignore everything about that dump.
did someone say something about a rat's ass?
Strangely, people don't much care for them for Christmas.
that sing at you?
Screw MSU. They have had 5 relevant seasons since 1967. They're not worth talking about.
But the answer is NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, and NO! Quit posting topics like this you dickhead! This is a UM Blog. Get the hint...we don't care.
BS. MSU fans know we had a good season, but we have no illusions about this team. The schedule worked in our favor, we didn't have key injuries, and we played decent defense. Any MSU fan that thinks this team was one for the ages only needs to que up the Iowa game for a reality check. Also, we also know that the 65/66 team would have KILLED these guys.
but calling the 2010 version of Sparty football "the best ever" when they got blown out by Iowa and didn't play OSU is a stretch for me. They have probably been the most resourceful version of sparty ever, or the most fortunate, but not the best.
To answer this seriously...
The schedule worked for them, and they got a little, maybe a lot lucky to beat Purdue and Notre Dame.
MSU took advantage of racial segregation in the South to develop those powerhouse mid-century teams. They recruited some great talent that couldn't play at Alabama and other SEC schools. By 1970 that well ran mostly dry.
There aren't a lot of really good MSU seasons since the 60's. Their late 80's Rose Bowl team (87? 88?) was a really good team. Saban had one pretty good season. That's about it. I think they were on probation one year in the late 70's, or they might have gone to Pasadena that season.
I made the argument to a lot of my friends from MSU that the MSU-Iowa game was the biggest in the history of their program. If they won, they were almost garaunteed to go undefeated the rest of the way and had a legitimate shot at going to the title game.
It warmed my heart to see them face plant in such a grand manner.
That was before Iowa got the munchies. MSU just got shattered; it was hard not to think they were intimidated by the moment. That was just MSU's second real road game - the first was in the friendly environment at Northwestern, where plenty of MSU fans showed up. Halloween in Iowa City is a very different kind of vibe. Their schedule didn't really prepare them to play up in a game of that magnitude.
legendary Michigan captain and Inteflex medical program honor student from the late 1970s......
Great things like this only happen for the first time once.
If you need last-minute heroics to beat Purdue and Northwestern, and get ravaged by Iowa, there is no logic in calling your team "great" by any reasonable standards.
When YTMSU starts getting high ratings outside of the midwest, then we'll talk about a Great Season in EL.
undefeated, even MNC, teams get through a season without some near-misses. Going undefeated isn't that easy for anybody, even in the days of cupcake-scheduling.
the light doth shineth upon my arse...
'tis occurth once and a while...
I'm just getting back to the site after the holidays, and I actually thought I stumbled onto RCMB with this thread. Seriously, I could care less if this is MSU's best season ever, worst season ever, or just a season. M is playing in a bowl game in a couple of days, and that's the only football that needs to be here.
This is not the Sparty's best team ever. I could be constructive and share with you who I believe are there three best sparty teams of all time, but I wont bother because Sparty sux.
1965 (10-1, lost Rose Bowl) and 1966 (9-0-1). Those teams had great defenses led by one of the greatest defensive linemen ever, Bubba Smith.
The 1966 team was ranked #2 when they played #1 Notre Dame in the last game of the season in what was considered "the game of the century." The game ended in a 10-10 tie with Notre Dame, with the ball at their own end of the field, elected to run out the clock rather than try to move the ball to score.
An interesting side-note is that game greatly overshadowed the Michigan-OSU game played the same day. Neither school like that, and thus a new rule was made that all non-confernece games had to be played before a certain date (something like the end of September or 1st week in October).