MSU to announce Gholston suspension tomorrow
Apparently Mark Dantonio will hold a press conference tomorrow and will announce the suspension of William Gholson (number of games unknown). This per my friend in the athletic department.
Confirmation of at least the press conference "addressing Gholston situation" on twitter:
October 18th, 2011 at 7:56 AM ^
67-32-5, thats the bottom line.
If Sparty can keep this up in thirtyfive years they will be .500.
October 17th, 2011 at 8:30 PM ^
This is exactly what I was saying I was worried about!
That Dantonio would self-impose the totally obvious and inevitable penalty from the Conference on Gholston, and thereby hope to contain the matter to Gholston alone, and avoid the dual penalties to Marcus Rush as well as Gholston. There's no way in fucking hell that Gholston would have ever escaped a suspension.
What a completely hateful lying prick douchebag Pat Narduzzi is, for saying that he liked the style of play, only to now have Dantonio suspend Gholston.
If Dantonio suspends Gholston with some solemn words about intensity and emotion, and says nothing else when everybody knew what Gholston had done when he and Narduzzi were giving their happy little victory speeches and said nothing, it will truly represent a new low in the sordid history of Mark Dantonio.
The press had really better do its fucking due dilligence tomorrow. They had better fucking ask about Marcus Rush. They had better ask about all of the video on both Gholston and Rush. They had better ask Dantonio to explain Narduzzi.
This is bullshit; I have seen it coming all afternoon.
October 17th, 2011 at 8:32 PM ^
Why aren't you trying to burn Isaiah Lewis at the stake too? He had a hit out of bounds and a hit on a defenseless receiver. Granted they were flagged, but this was against Michigan, so it needs special attention.
October 17th, 2011 at 9:39 PM ^
You need to attend these press conferences. Change your profession and do so please thanks.
October 17th, 2011 at 9:44 PM ^
why would Rush be suspended? It was a late hit, but hardly egregious. happens every weekend. if you are going to start suspending guys for roughing the QB there's going to be a LOT of starting players missing time. Never gonna happen.
I'm glad #2 will get a suspension, but that's all that needs to happen. Frankly, i've been embarrassed by this board's insane over reaction to this. The punch was WAY out of line and he was flagged. He got flagged for the facemask on Denard too. We couldn't make them pay though - and that seems to be what people are mad about deep down. I've never seen a group that over reacts more than this place though.
October 17th, 2011 at 9:53 PM ^
The thing about Rush is that (and this isn't in the rulebook) he should have been ejected for injuring an opposing player on a personal foul. I realize you would have to change the rulebook for this to happen, but by all rights he should have been thrown out when Denard went out. Otherwise, what's the incentive to not injure a star athlete in the opening drive? Obviously this isn't Rush's fault that it isn't in there, but it really should be a rule.
Fifteen yards was much more appropriate for Rush than for Gholston's facemask.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:49 PM ^
You'd have people flopping like this is futbol if injury+personal foul=ejection.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:57 PM ^
It would work like hockey, "injury" is defined at the discretion of the official. My definition always included the player leaving for the locker room rather than the bench. From what I've encountered that's more or less standard, and could easily be applied in football.
Edit: and I think the NCAA can add a game misconduct after a game concludes if they deem it worthy UFR, so that would be another option.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:49 PM ^
The Oklahoma players who killed Kenny (Shaw) should have been suspended for this fiticious clause in the rules. THAT was suspension worthy. This was just another cheap hit after a throw that Michigan has done countless times as well. If you don't want your QB smacked a second after throwing the ball then block better and get the ball out sooner. But I'll stop watching football before I stop smiling when I watch Alan Branch do the same thing to Penn State. Welcome to football.
October 17th, 2011 at 11:03 PM ^
It's much, much more preferable to have a clause officials can use (again, injury is not an absolute value, there's grey area there) to immediately stop predatory behavior from a player than not have that clause. That's just smart writing in the rulebook.
As for "welcome to football", football has already decided that this hit is unacceptable. Having another mechanism to enforce that changes nothing about the original ruling or the sport.
October 17th, 2011 at 9:54 PM ^
Dude, you're in the wrong part of town.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:35 PM ^
Taking a player out of the game (or impeding his ability to continue to play at a high level) is well worth fifteen yards. Sure, we couldn't "make them pay" and half of that could be because Denard was hurting after getting repeatedly flagrantly abused.
October 17th, 2011 at 11:41 PM ^
Marcus Rush is getting off easy right now if he is not suspended. I expect Rush to be suspended. Anything less would be inconsistent with past B1G precedent. Please forgive the lack of embedding here. If a mod wishes to invade this post of mine or otherwise embed the three links of video, please feel free.
So here goes; three cases. Two are bona fide suspension cases, Kurt Coleman of Ohio State and Zach Reckman of Purdue. The third is Marcus Rush of MSU. I don't think that Rush should be suspended because of any accumulative effect of what Gholston is surely going to be suspended for. But apart from any unfairness to Rush (he should only be suspended if he alone deserves to be suspended), why not take into account the fact that his unit, the Spartan defense had displayed a pattern of severe fouls against Michigan's QB all day, and the coaches seemed to be fine with all of it, save for the one exception of the Gholston punch? Why not? Dantonio even argued against the Gholston late-hit call! You judge if Marcus Rush should be suspended. Note the only player who was injured was Marcus Rush's victim, Denard Robinson. It was not merely roughing the passer but specified by the referee as "threw the quarterback to the ground."
Kurt Coleman (OSU), suspended by the Conference for one game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-PTEr78pcs
Zach Reckman (Purdue), suspended by the Conference for one game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-SAV1U8Hl4
Marcus Rush (MSU), under investigation by the Conference at present:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:20 AM ^
There's an argument to be made that Worthy should be suspended too, for his roughing the passer on Denard in the 1st half. He clearly goes after Denard's head, grabbing him by the bottom of the helmet and swinging him around. Then Worthy has the nerve to look surprised when the flag is thrown.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:34 AM ^
That's not worthy.......but suspend him too while we're at it. In fact, Edwin Baker ran the ball well against Michigan....so he deserves to be suspended. Don't forget Keyshawn's 2 TD catches....he needs to go as well.
I jest.....It's late.....I just got back from MNF from the Meadowlands......don't hate me.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:36 AM ^
You're wrong, you just look like a moron saying shit like that.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:46 AM ^
People who claim that roughing the passer should require a suspension who look like morons.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:04 PM ^
In the NFL, Marcus Rush would have been fined, suspended, or both. Now we can't exactly fine student-athletes. But neither should we fail to protect student-athletes form injury, when they aren't getting paid to play professionally with large guaranteed contracts and Lloyd's of London insurance policies in the event of injury.
SUSPEND MARCUS RUSH.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:25 PM ^
I went by the title of the video - it was Anthony Rashad White, #98. Doesn't make what he did any better.
October 17th, 2011 at 11:03 PM ^
FWIW, Rothstein on ESPN argues the same thing about Rush pursuant to Rule 10.01 in the B1G rulebook on unsportsmanlike conduct.
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/colleges/michigan/post?id=130
October 18th, 2011 at 1:05 AM ^
Your obsession with Marcus Rush and the personal nature of your attacks (in multiple threads) is a bit scary. Seek help.
EDIT: Meant to reply to Section 1's post above. Apologies.
October 18th, 2011 at 1:05 AM ^
So you don't like it? Get the fuck out, Sparty.
"The personal nature" of Marcus Rush's attack on Denard Robinson wasn't merely a 15-yard personal foul (it was); it was more than that. An intent to injure, or at least a foul with a real risk of serious injury, that deserves a suspension. I think that Bill Carolla is going to see it my way.
October 18th, 2011 at 1:21 AM ^
No, I am honestly concerned for you. I don't expect anything to happen to Rush and I expect you might hurt yourself or someone else when it doesn't happen like you think it will.
October 18th, 2011 at 1:39 AM ^
You're a troll on this Board with 13 MGoPoints. I don't like you, I don't respect you. I just want to hurt your team's chances against Wisconsin on Saturday. I think that suspensions of both Gholston and Rush would do that. Both suspensions are clearly warranted.
I'm "honestly concerned" that unless those two thugs are dealt with by the Conference in a serious way, they will hurt someone with one of their next cheap-shot personal fouls. Resulting in the injury of a skilled player like Denard Robinson, Russell Wilson or Taylor Martinez. Rush succeeded in injuring Robinson; he ought not have the chance against Martinez or Wilson. Not without penalty first.
You want to weigh in on the side of Marcus Rush, even after watching the video? Be my guest. I'll give you Jim Delany's office telephone number in Park Ridge, IL. I called it yesterday to urge them to suspend Rush.
And really, who cares about Gholston now? Gholston is toast. He'll be sitting for Wisconsin. Rush is the target now. He's the guy who hurt the Big Ten's MVP on a vicious personal foul. If that's not worth a simple one-game suspension, I don't know what is.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:12 AM ^
"You're a troll on this Board with 13 MGoPoints. I don't like you, I don't respect you. I just want to hurt your team's chances against Wisconsin on Saturday. I think that suspensions of both Gholston and Rush would do that. Both suspensions are clearly warranted."
So full of win.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:42 AM ^
Just get the hell out. You're guys were wrong. Weird that there seemed to be a common theme the whole game with the extra cirriculars going against you guys. Give it up.
October 17th, 2011 at 8:24 PM ^
Ground control to DB Tom
Ground control to DB Tom
Take a sedative, don't put your helmet on
October 17th, 2011 at 8:27 PM ^
Michigan State Rules of Discipline
1. First and foremost determine the value of the player to the coach's success.
2. Second, determine how you can best promote yourself.
3. Determine the strength of the opponents you are facing during a contemplated suspension.
4. If the player is not of much value quickly react and make an example of him.
4. If the player is a starter or significant contributor do nothing unless forced.
5. If the media (no need to worry about the university) presses the issue take the action that best promotes the coach.
October 18th, 2011 at 1:07 AM ^
I thought it went like this:
1. Attempt to injure player of opposing team.
2. Get praise from Coach Dantonio and Coach Narduzzi for playing with unnecessary roughness.
3. ?
4. Profit!
October 17th, 2011 at 8:27 PM ^
Trying to imagine Mark Dantonio turning to Jim Delany and starting this conversation with, "May it please his Lordship....", and then announcing the suspension.
No, there will be about ten minutes of rationalizing, followed by something which amounts to, "...because you won't leave me along if I DON'T do something..."
October 17th, 2011 at 8:30 PM ^
I wish Heiko had access to this press conference so he could ask the tough questions.
October 17th, 2011 at 8:31 PM ^
"That makes Tom...err, I mean William Gholston a tragic hero in my eyes."
October 17th, 2011 at 8:32 PM ^
Suspended for a week of non-practice days and two sunday games.
October 17th, 2011 at 8:32 PM ^
Unless Marcus Rush is also suspended, this press conference will be a complete joke.
October 18th, 2011 at 2:00 AM ^
Nope, let Rush play. Let Rush face a double block from two 330 linemen who want Rush to know its going to be a long day ... Let them put Rush on his ass all game long, put that punk in his place.
October 17th, 2011 at 8:32 PM ^
Gholston will be suspended for the entire 2014 season.
October 17th, 2011 at 8:33 PM ^
And now Dantonio can actually look like the good guy for suspending Gholson for 1 game when he deserves much more. Oh, well.
October 17th, 2011 at 8:34 PM ^
The presser tomorrow is to announce that Dantonio is sending film to the B1G to a address how Denard Robinson can wear such a big face mask that gets in the way of MSU players hands. Fer Gawds Sake....it nearly broke Tom's pinky finger!!
October 17th, 2011 at 8:35 PM ^
The fact that the announcement is coming tomorrow and not yesterday or today is pretty clear evidence that MSU is doing this for the wrong reasons (either an ultimatum by the B1G office or bowing too intense public pressure).
Zero chance they suspend him for two games.
October 17th, 2011 at 8:42 PM ^
There's some minuscule possibility that the B1G informed MSU that they intend to suspend him for two games and gave Dantonio the option of doing it himself. It's also possible, if unlikely, that they let Dantonio make his own call and will increase it if it isn't adequate.
But I'm dreaming. Of course you're right.
October 17th, 2011 at 9:15 PM ^
his total lack of ANY statement on tsio proves that. He doesn't give a shit who lies to him. My guess is the B1G office hasn't said squat to MSU. ANyone guess ... maybe he'll read some psalms (ala - his mentor tressel).
Go Blue!
October 17th, 2011 at 9:57 PM ^
Unless I'm misreading the rules about suspensions after the fact, the Big Ten has to come with an answer to both Michigan and MSU (if Michigan sent that film in). I would much rather piss off a guilty MSU than an innocent Dave Brandon, but that's just me.
October 17th, 2011 at 9:33 PM ^
In situations like this, the conference informs the school it's reviewing an incident, with a decision to come within three days. MSU is trying to get out ahead of it.
October 17th, 2011 at 8:36 PM ^
Is he is suspended for 4 practices to be served each Monday for four weeks in a row.
October 17th, 2011 at 8:40 PM ^
I'd say for 2 quarters... Zero tolerance courtesy of our buddy Marky.
October 17th, 2011 at 8:41 PM ^
I'd say for 2 quarters... Zero tolerance courtesy of our buddy Marky.
October 17th, 2011 at 8:41 PM ^
he has to write the sentence "I will not punch or twist helmets" 10x on the chaulk board, before he can play again. So that should work out to a 1 or 2 game suspension, anyway.
October 17th, 2011 at 8:44 PM ^
Too bad it is not 11x, because then he'd have to take his shoes off to count and that might take even longer.
October 18th, 2011 at 1:33 AM ^
First he would have to know how to write.
October 17th, 2011 at 8:43 PM ^
At this point, I am fine with it being announced by Dantonio because it means Gholston is finally going to be punished. Yes, Dantonio will claim he brought the hammer, but anyone who watched the game knows that he allowed numerous trangressions to occur on his watch, and the rest of the mainstream media harped on it as well.