My guess is MSU is taking preemptive action and doling out a 1 game suspension before the Big 10 could get to him and hand out 2.
MSU to announce Gholston suspension tomorrow
Not to mention that this will open the gates of the Spartys saying "We would've beat Wisconsin if we had Gholston!" after they lose on Saturday.
Honestly nothing would make me happier than if they suspended him for the Wisconsin game and you could provide definintive proof that said suspension cost them the game. If they win, or lose in a blowout, then the suspension hasn't ultimately affected them. It would be nice if it actually counted for something.
That would be a terrific outcome. The idea that a team - any team, not just Sparty - can be that dirty and win because of it burns me up. I hope they talk shit all week and then lose because the backup to Gholston is terrible - teams that play like that deserve to lose because of it, not win.
Nothing would make me happier than if our game costs MSU the Wisconsin game.
Um, they were going to lose regardless.
EDIT: double post fail. Jersies, Ohio, you know the drill.
That MSU will only be planning for two defensive plays in the game against Bucky.
A thusly justified four play (two game, then) suspension, AND public shaming in EL in front of all of his student peers will be the appropriate immolation.
Have a.nice pep rally and first series off, asshole.
will be more than one game. State will suspend him for more than one game. The Big Ten is thinking more about whether Gholston will play again this season. The (typical) lack of local outrage about the play on Denard should not effect your perception of that play. It has become taboo to seriously question Michigan State in these parts. How it became that way, I don't know, but it has. What you saw was accurate, William Gholston attempted to break Denard's neck. Plain and simple, regardless of whether the Michigan media wants to discuss it in the fashion. The only thing that prevented a serious likely permanent injury to Denard on that play was his helmet coming off when it did. The only thing that prevented an ambulance on the field was Denard's helmet coming off when it did. The only think that prevented Gholston from never seeing a college field again was Denard's helmet coming off when it did.
Hoke and the staff have not addressed it directly because it had nothing to do with the game outcome and they don't need to pile on for that play to result in serious consequences. There was the Michigan State victory, a well earned victory, and then there was William Gholston acting like an animal and the two did not overlap. I don't think State will address this like a "when can we get him back on the field" situation. What Gholston did was more serious than Lagarette (sp) Blount against Boise State. He is in serious trouble and State will address it as so.
I hope you're correct that MSU takes this seriously but to blame this on Gholston growing up poor (or that's the reason he ended up at MSU) is a ridiculous statement. There are plenty of poor college athletes that don't do this (i.e. the Pahokee crew). He ended up at MSU because his HS coach steered him that way and is now on MSU's staff. M and others were recruiting him. Unless there is a strong history of him playing dirty in HS, its a fair assessment to say this is something being encouraged under MSU's coaching staff, not isolated to "one bad apple," especially in light of Rush's actions.
MSU wants Gholston to be a fall guy.
I removed it from my post. It was not motivated by anything other than commentary and discussions I have heard about him from multiple sources. There was not intended to be undertones but there was and I took it out.
I will bet my life that he'll be suspended. If it is for more than one game, I'll be delighted. However, I'll be surprised.
Is there any particular basis for your predicting that the B1G is seriously considering a multiple-game suspension for Gholston?
when a players head is protected by a helmet and not susceptible to any serious damage (less than the offending players hand), I don't see why an attempt to seriously injure a player while he is on the ground and helpless would not warrant a much more significant suspension. Go back and really watch the video of that play. That is not a football play, that was not in the heat of the moment. That was serious man. The minute that becomes "part of the game" it has officially become a sport I have no interest in. Is that less serious than Jacoby Harris going to the club with a booster? That was 3 games I believe. A play like that goes to the integrity of the game as much as anything else. That simply cannot happen and I believe that message will be sent.
First-time offenders are subject to a suspension for up to 50 percent of his/her team's scheduled games.
Here's the procedure, according to the handbook:
Within three business days of its becoming aware, by the Commissioner or designee or any other source, of any unsportslike or possible unsportslike conduct involving an individual associated with it, a member university, through its Director of Athletics, is to submit a report to the Commissioner or designee on its behalf and on behalf of the involved individual containing all information they have regarding its institutional position relative to the unsportslike or possible unsportslike conduct, including the identity of each individual involved in the matter, the penalty and remedial action, if any, which the member university has assessed or taken or proposes to assess or take. The Faculty Representative shall receive a copy of this report simultaneous with its
transmission to the Big Ten office. Within three business days of receipt of the report from the member university or, in that instance where a member university has not submitted a report, within three business days of the date on which the report was to have been submitted, the Commissioner or designee is to determine whether an act of unsportslike conduct has occurred.
At that point, the Big Ten could impose penalties.
Dantonio suspends him from the first quarter
lol i wouldn't doubt it.. don't think you need the /s kinda at all..
I wouldn't be shocked if he says he will sit the first half then play.. or he won't practice this wk lol..
Gohlston will not start but will be back in on the next defensive series. Oh!!!!! My wrist hurts.
taking a page out of LLoyd's playbook on this issue then. Well played.
I think you're giving Dantonio too much credit. I feel he's going to suspend Gholston for the first drive, if they are receiving the football. Otherwise, HE'LL BE SUSPENDED FOR AT LEAST 2 OR 3....
"I have zero tolerance for this, therefore William will be suspended for zero games."
"Zero tolerance does not mean automatic dismissal," the coach said. "To some critics, it might be seen as a low-percentage call or the wrong decision," Dantonio said. "It is neither. To me, our coaches, and our entire team -- the men in the arena -- it was the right call for the right reasons."
it from zero-tolerance to some-tolerance (or even high-tolerance, if he's feeling saucy).
I prefer Dantonio-tolerance, personally.
Dantonio suspends him for the duration of the press conference announcing the suspension. It's a metasuspension.
My prediction...Dantonio nominates him for the Medal of Honor.
I can see it now..... a handwritten note from the desk of Mark Dantonio - Head Coach - Michigan State Spartans - 2010 Big 10 Champions:
"I hereby award you the metal of honor for courageous service and dedication to Michigan State Football."
Ah yes, and in his award presentation speech about Gholston, calls him a Tressel-esque tragic hero...
Jim Delaney to Mark Dantonio: Either you do it or we will.
After the glen winston thing, I won't believe it until I see it.
All Gholston's fightin' posse attendance privileges will be taken away.
I know this is harsh a punishment and a big blow to the team but sometimes you have to make a stand for what's right and that's what we are all about here at Michigan State."
If he tries that against the Badgers, Bielema will dole out justice a-la Hammurabi.
My favorite part of the code: Build a house and if it drops on the owner and he dies, you die. Build a house and if it drops on the owner's son and he dies, your son dies. My daughter tells me that this was an improvement on what used to transpire: Build a house and if it drops, you die, your family dies, your crops die, your cattle die, ...
That kinds of seems like overkill after taking care of the builder and his family.
You all have it wrong. He announces that he doesn't know what the fuss is about because he already suspended him from practice yesterday. See, I told you he has zero tolerance and was fast to act on this. They don't stand for that stuff at State!
"William Gholston will be suspended for the Wisconsin game. Unless we start losing."
I believe you mean "He has decided to sit himself for the Wisconsin game, unless start losing, at which point he will come in when it is already too late."
If yes I'm just wondering the crowd response to Gholston's neck twisting of Denard?
Their big screen hardly ever played replays so most missed it. Too busy trying to figure out which helmet the football is under.
has an average mentality of a 3 year old, those shell games on the big screen are the best part of the Gameday experience
Dantonio will restate his position that it was a clean, hard hitting game and Tom Gholson is a victim of circumstance. Dantonio will reiterate there is nothing wrong with his players "borrowing" other peoples belongings. He will state his program does not teach is young victims of circumstance to practice unnecessary roughness. Sparty green kool-aid tastes great!
You guys have it all wrong. He's being criminally charged, this is out of his hands. He pleaded guilty and got a 4 day prison sentence. Don't worry, though, he'll be ready to go on saturday.
Moreover, Dantonio will personally escort him from the hoosegow to the team bus.
Bottom line. ..........4-0!
You would think someone so excited about Michigan State football that they had to come on to MgoBlog would know what his coach's actual record agains Michigan is.
67-32-5, thats the bottom line.
If Sparty can keep this up in thirtyfive years they will be .500.
This is exactly what I was saying I was worried about!
That Dantonio would self-impose the totally obvious and inevitable penalty from the Conference on Gholston, and thereby hope to contain the matter to Gholston alone, and avoid the dual penalties to Marcus Rush as well as Gholston. There's no way in fucking hell that Gholston would have ever escaped a suspension.
What a completely hateful lying prick douchebag Pat Narduzzi is, for saying that he liked the style of play, only to now have Dantonio suspend Gholston.
If Dantonio suspends Gholston with some solemn words about intensity and emotion, and says nothing else when everybody knew what Gholston had done when he and Narduzzi were giving their happy little victory speeches and said nothing, it will truly represent a new low in the sordid history of Mark Dantonio.
The press had really better do its fucking due dilligence tomorrow. They had better fucking ask about Marcus Rush. They had better ask about all of the video on both Gholston and Rush. They had better ask Dantonio to explain Narduzzi.
This is bullshit; I have seen it coming all afternoon.
Why aren't you trying to burn Isaiah Lewis at the stake too? He had a hit out of bounds and a hit on a defenseless receiver. Granted they were flagged, but this was against Michigan, so it needs special attention.
You need to attend these press conferences. Change your profession and do so please thanks.
why would Rush be suspended? It was a late hit, but hardly egregious. happens every weekend. if you are going to start suspending guys for roughing the QB there's going to be a LOT of starting players missing time. Never gonna happen.
I'm glad #2 will get a suspension, but that's all that needs to happen. Frankly, i've been embarrassed by this board's insane over reaction to this. The punch was WAY out of line and he was flagged. He got flagged for the facemask on Denard too. We couldn't make them pay though - and that seems to be what people are mad about deep down. I've never seen a group that over reacts more than this place though.
The thing about Rush is that (and this isn't in the rulebook) he should have been ejected for injuring an opposing player on a personal foul. I realize you would have to change the rulebook for this to happen, but by all rights he should have been thrown out when Denard went out. Otherwise, what's the incentive to not injure a star athlete in the opening drive? Obviously this isn't Rush's fault that it isn't in there, but it really should be a rule.
Fifteen yards was much more appropriate for Rush than for Gholston's facemask.
You'd have people flopping like this is futbol if injury+personal foul=ejection.
It would work like hockey, "injury" is defined at the discretion of the official. My definition always included the player leaving for the locker room rather than the bench. From what I've encountered that's more or less standard, and could easily be applied in football.
Edit: and I think the NCAA can add a game misconduct after a game concludes if they deem it worthy UFR, so that would be another option.
The Oklahoma players who killed Kenny (Shaw) should have been suspended for this fiticious clause in the rules. THAT was suspension worthy. This was just another cheap hit after a throw that Michigan has done countless times as well. If you don't want your QB smacked a second after throwing the ball then block better and get the ball out sooner. But I'll stop watching football before I stop smiling when I watch Alan Branch do the same thing to Penn State. Welcome to football.
It's much, much more preferable to have a clause officials can use (again, injury is not an absolute value, there's grey area there) to immediately stop predatory behavior from a player than not have that clause. That's just smart writing in the rulebook.
As for "welcome to football", football has already decided that this hit is unacceptable. Having another mechanism to enforce that changes nothing about the original ruling or the sport.
Dude, you're in the wrong part of town.
Taking a player out of the game (or impeding his ability to continue to play at a high level) is well worth fifteen yards. Sure, we couldn't "make them pay" and half of that could be because Denard was hurting after getting repeatedly flagrantly abused.
Marcus Rush is getting off easy right now if he is not suspended. I expect Rush to be suspended. Anything less would be inconsistent with past B1G precedent. Please forgive the lack of embedding here. If a mod wishes to invade this post of mine or otherwise embed the three links of video, please feel free.
So here goes; three cases. Two are bona fide suspension cases, Kurt Coleman of Ohio State and Zach Reckman of Purdue. The third is Marcus Rush of MSU. I don't think that Rush should be suspended because of any accumulative effect of what Gholston is surely going to be suspended for. But apart from any unfairness to Rush (he should only be suspended if he alone deserves to be suspended), why not take into account the fact that his unit, the Spartan defense had displayed a pattern of severe fouls against Michigan's QB all day, and the coaches seemed to be fine with all of it, save for the one exception of the Gholston punch? Why not? Dantonio even argued against the Gholston late-hit call! You judge if Marcus Rush should be suspended. Note the only player who was injured was Marcus Rush's victim, Denard Robinson. It was not merely roughing the passer but specified by the referee as "threw the quarterback to the ground."
Kurt Coleman (OSU), suspended by the Conference for one game:
Zach Reckman (Purdue), suspended by the Conference for one game:
Marcus Rush (MSU), under investigation by the Conference at present:
There's an argument to be made that Worthy should be suspended too, for his roughing the passer on Denard in the 1st half. He clearly goes after Denard's head, grabbing him by the bottom of the helmet and swinging him around. Then Worthy has the nerve to look surprised when the flag is thrown.
That's not worthy.......but suspend him too while we're at it. In fact, Edwin Baker ran the ball well against Michigan....so he deserves to be suspended. Don't forget Keyshawn's 2 TD catches....he needs to go as well.
I jest.....It's late.....I just got back from MNF from the Meadowlands......don't hate me.
You're wrong, you just look like a moron saying shit like that.
People who claim that roughing the passer should require a suspension who look like morons.
In the NFL, Marcus Rush would have been fined, suspended, or both. Now we can't exactly fine student-athletes. But neither should we fail to protect student-athletes form injury, when they aren't getting paid to play professionally with large guaranteed contracts and Lloyd's of London insurance policies in the event of injury.
SUSPEND MARCUS RUSH.
I went by the title of the video - it was Anthony Rashad White, #98. Doesn't make what he did any better.
FWIW, Rothstein on ESPN argues the same thing about Rush pursuant to Rule 10.01 in the B1G rulebook on unsportsmanlike conduct.
Your obsession with Marcus Rush and the personal nature of your attacks (in multiple threads) is a bit scary. Seek help.
EDIT: Meant to reply to Section 1's post above. Apologies.
So you don't like it? Get the fuck out, Sparty.
"The personal nature" of Marcus Rush's attack on Denard Robinson wasn't merely a 15-yard personal foul (it was); it was more than that. An intent to injure, or at least a foul with a real risk of serious injury, that deserves a suspension. I think that Bill Carolla is going to see it my way.
No, I am honestly concerned for you. I don't expect anything to happen to Rush and I expect you might hurt yourself or someone else when it doesn't happen like you think it will.
You're a troll on this Board with 13 MGoPoints. I don't like you, I don't respect you. I just want to hurt your team's chances against Wisconsin on Saturday. I think that suspensions of both Gholston and Rush would do that. Both suspensions are clearly warranted.
I'm "honestly concerned" that unless those two thugs are dealt with by the Conference in a serious way, they will hurt someone with one of their next cheap-shot personal fouls. Resulting in the injury of a skilled player like Denard Robinson, Russell Wilson or Taylor Martinez. Rush succeeded in injuring Robinson; he ought not have the chance against Martinez or Wilson. Not without penalty first.
You want to weigh in on the side of Marcus Rush, even after watching the video? Be my guest. I'll give you Jim Delany's office telephone number in Park Ridge, IL. I called it yesterday to urge them to suspend Rush.
And really, who cares about Gholston now? Gholston is toast. He'll be sitting for Wisconsin. Rush is the target now. He's the guy who hurt the Big Ten's MVP on a vicious personal foul. If that's not worth a simple one-game suspension, I don't know what is.
"You're a troll on this Board with 13 MGoPoints. I don't like you, I don't respect you. I just want to hurt your team's chances against Wisconsin on Saturday. I think that suspensions of both Gholston and Rush would do that. Both suspensions are clearly warranted."
So full of win.
Just get the hell out. You're guys were wrong. Weird that there seemed to be a common theme the whole game with the extra cirriculars going against you guys. Give it up.
Ground control to DB Tom
Ground control to DB Tom
Take a sedative, don't put your helmet on
Michigan State Rules of Discipline
1. First and foremost determine the value of the player to the coach's success.
2. Second, determine how you can best promote yourself.
3. Determine the strength of the opponents you are facing during a contemplated suspension.
4. If the player is not of much value quickly react and make an example of him.
4. If the player is a starter or significant contributor do nothing unless forced.
5. If the media (no need to worry about the university) presses the issue take the action that best promotes the coach.
I thought it went like this:
1. Attempt to injure player of opposing team.
2. Get praise from Coach Dantonio and Coach Narduzzi for playing with unnecessary roughness.
Trying to imagine Mark Dantonio turning to Jim Delany and starting this conversation with, "May it please his Lordship....", and then announcing the suspension.
No, there will be about ten minutes of rationalizing, followed by something which amounts to, "...because you won't leave me along if I DON'T do something..."
I wish Heiko had access to this press conference so he could ask the tough questions.
"That makes Tom...err, I mean William Gholston a tragic hero in my eyes."
Suspended for a week of non-practice days and two sunday games.
Unless Marcus Rush is also suspended, this press conference will be a complete joke.
Nope, let Rush play. Let Rush face a double block from two 330 linemen who want Rush to know its going to be a long day ... Let them put Rush on his ass all game long, put that punk in his place.
Gholston will be suspended for the entire 2014 season.
And now Dantonio can actually look like the good guy for suspending Gholson for 1 game when he deserves much more. Oh, well.
The presser tomorrow is to announce that Dantonio is sending film to the B1G to a address how Denard Robinson can wear such a big face mask that gets in the way of MSU players hands. Fer Gawds Sake....it nearly broke Tom's pinky finger!!
There's some minuscule possibility that the B1G informed MSU that they intend to suspend him for two games and gave Dantonio the option of doing it himself. It's also possible, if unlikely, that they let Dantonio make his own call and will increase it if it isn't adequate.
But I'm dreaming. Of course you're right.
his total lack of ANY statement on tsio proves that. He doesn't give a shit who lies to him. My guess is the B1G office hasn't said squat to MSU. ANyone guess ... maybe he'll read some psalms (ala - his mentor tressel).
Unless I'm misreading the rules about suspensions after the fact, the Big Ten has to come with an answer to both Michigan and MSU (if Michigan sent that film in). I would much rather piss off a guilty MSU than an innocent Dave Brandon, but that's just me.
In situations like this, the conference informs the school it's reviewing an incident, with a decision to come within three days. MSU is trying to get out ahead of it.
Is he is suspended for 4 practices to be served each Monday for four weeks in a row.
I'd say for 2 quarters... Zero tolerance courtesy of our buddy Marky.
I'd say for 2 quarters... Zero tolerance courtesy of our buddy Marky.
he has to write the sentence "I will not punch or twist helmets" 10x on the chaulk board, before he can play again. So that should work out to a 1 or 2 game suspension, anyway.
Too bad it is not 11x, because then he'd have to take his shoes off to count and that might take even longer.
First he would have to know how to write.
At this point, I am fine with it being announced by Dantonio because it means Gholston is finally going to be punished. Yes, Dantonio will claim he brought the hammer, but anyone who watched the game knows that he allowed numerous trangressions to occur on his watch, and the rest of the mainstream media harped on it as well.
Agreed. It's all about optics. If Dantonio really wanted to be proactive, he should have sat him for the rest of the game. The more I learn about how he runs the MSU program, the less respect I have for him as a person. And that amount of respect is currently so low that it's the opposite of respect.
Obviously one occured during the game and one happened after. But a punch is a punch. Right? If you add Gholstons other attempts to purposly injure players with dirty plays shouldn't his punishment be more than the one or two games that most are calling for. Not that he will get that. Just curious why the consensus for Blount was "throw him out of football", while it seems like people would be content with a one game suspension. I know that mouton got a game (should have been more imo) but that was before the Blount incident.
Blount punched a kid who wasn't wearing a helmet. Totally different.
merely a deterence to Gholson. You think he would have restrained himself if Lewan's helmet had fallen off while they were on the ground?
We can only speculate. If that had been the case, then yes, gone for the season. But with a helmet on, it's just not the same thing.
Is the intent of the punch any different?
Listen, I'm no defender of Tom Gholston. Truthfully I find the facemask twist to be FAR worse. It's just that punching someone with a helmet is a cheap shot and frankly stupid, punching someone without a helmet on can break their orbital or jaw. I'm just saying the Blount punch and the Gholston one are objectively different and don't call for the same punishment.
The Blount punch also occured after the game was over. I think it's different in the heat of the moment on a guy with a helmut who you just got in a scuffle with, but after the game is well over on an exposed guy's face is way too much.
Blount went after a fan after he punched the one guy, had to be seriously restrained and dragged into the locker room.
A punch to the throat (which is where he punched him) can be much, much worse than a broken bone.
1) Denard Beheading Attempt.
2) TL arm breaking attempt.
3) punching a lineman in the neck.
Dude's an asshole. I think a fitting punishment would be for him to have to be on field for every offensive and defensive play for the game (NTTG) next year. I'd like to see it, and I think our players would too.
...that Mouton's punch happened with helmets on, and hit the ND player under the jaw. Coach Rodriguez indicated in the press conference following the game that Mouton would not be suspended by the team - it was Delany & Co. that later imposed the one game suspension.
It makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside knowing what is cooking at MSU. Dantonio is doing the taxpayers a favor by keeping watch over this football program, otherwise there would be overcrowded prisons.
1. Ski mask taken away
2. No suspension for Wisconsin. Dantonio feels playing Wisconsin's OL is punishment enough
3. No practice
4. Absolutely no ripping other players face masks for 1 full game
5. Must not punch a Michigan player during the M-MSU game for the rest of the year
For the press conference.
Why do you think they are announcing tomarrow? The brain trust is gathering in the war room to come up with the sneakiest punishment possible, which will allow him to miss nothing and not actualy be a punishment. Kind of like winstons 180 day "suspension". At least hoke said he was redshirting stonum, dantonio suspended sims for the year and redshirted him without saying anything.
I think that suspension might be my favorite Dantonio suspension.
"I got it....let's let the state of Michigan suspend him and we will take credit for it. Maybe no one will notice he will be in jail."
Did we hold a press conference specifically to announce that Mouton was suspended for 1 game? Did Illinois do this when they suspended their player?
Maybe it's the optimist in me speaking, but maybe we are looking at a harsher suspension than we expected?...
With Mouton, it was unexpected. It was a new pollicy/action plan enforced by Delany. And if memory serves me, Delany hit us with it on a Thursday, with little or no time to do any reps with a replacement for Mouton.
Remind me who the Illinois player was.
Kurt Coleman (OSU) got suspended for a helmet-to-helmet play versus Illinois. By comparison, that was ordinary football, a little aggressive, and the Conference announced it as soon as they had reviewed that film.
Zach Reckman was suspended in much the same way. Both were announced by the Conference; no team press conferences, just announcements.
This is a regularly-scheduled presser. MSU does all their press conferences on Tuesdays.
If so, then he gets off with time already served.
Dantonio is going to announce that when the inevitable happens, and Gholston has to spend time in jail, he'll have to catch his own ride to the practice field.... and will not pass Go.
...what about the 200?
he went to Ohio State, he also wouldn't collect his $200 after passing go
Rightfully deserved. Bye Bye Gholston
Dantonio apparently is doing the right thing...but if he doesn't his hand is forced to. Wish he would have released this Sunday instead of waiting to see public opinion with neutral blogs calling MSU "ThugU."
Common. I mean who amoung us hasn't punched somebody in the neck in an attempt to break their windpipe and then tried to tear a defenseless opponent head off their neck by using a facemask as a weapon?
He who is without sin cast the first stone here.
Steals from you, steals from me...
here's the link to the meltdown http://michiganstate.247sports.com/Board/93/MSU-to-address-Gholston-at-Tuesday-Press-Conference-4944534/1
wow....i just read the first few and they're priceless to say the least. Here's my personal favorite....
"If what was rumored to have been said to him is true, I don't blame him for the punch. I'll go along with what Dantonio says should happen, because he's always doing what he feels is best for both the kid and the program. However, if true, he should have follwed up with a body slam and a couple of kicks."
truly do represent their fans well.
"It's the total pussification of football"
"You could argue that Big Will was diving into the pile when his hand landed on Denard's face mask and his momentum carried him to twist the facemask."
This one is so ridiculously absurd. It pleases me.
"They say that Dantonio is classless and wouldn't suspend him. Then when Dantonio does suspend him it's only because he knows that the B1G would have suspended him for 3 games and Dantonio is trying to cheap out of it. Really a bunch of piles of shit on that board."
I feel honored for being mentioned in their posts.
"You don't compromise your ability to win the toughest game on your schedule to teach one player a lesson about sportsmanship."
We did. Against Ohio. I guess that's why the two fanbases will never understand one another.
at the high school I'm an assistant wrestling coach for, we have BOOTED some of our most key wrestlers off the team for various infractions. Didn't stop us from winning state championships despite it (actually, one year it did, but this past year it didn't).
I wasn't thrilled to see the Denard facemask, headsnap stuff. Will needs to learn to keep that stuff "in the pile" .. not on the fringes where the cameras can see it. If a suspension teaches him that, so be it.
So, to add to their prison motif, they go by the Dirty Dozen philosophy that the mistake was "you let someone see you do it..."
Now that the one game for which anyone pays any attention to them is over, why not?
He should probably be given one of those pokey things and have to clean up the swirling trash heap that is Spartan Stadium. This of course will last well into the 2012 season.
Do you really think giving him a trash poker thing is so good idea? He might end up spearing a bystander!
Then I guess waterboarding is the only other approach
a name, Tom.
that could easily be a Bucknuts thread .... pathetic people with a pathetic coach ...absolutely classless RCMB's.
Oh no, I hope Gholston isn't having car problems!
/all other good jokes have already been used.
/perfect set-up for OSU jokes
He isn't having car problems, just directional problems. But its ok, he has a tom-tom gps in his car.
is...HILARIOUS. Well done
The fact that they're not announcing it until three days after the game suggests that this was not Dantonio's decision. Good for the Big Ten.
Dantonio's weekly presser is held on Tuesdays. Seems like an appropriate time to announce a suspension.
Since when does a questionable facemask call that could go either way = Karate chopping and rolling on someones arm, punching someone in the face, and violently twisting someone's facemask well after a playing over?
Ignore my post, the kid got banned.
I don't think this is fair. You forgot that someone also said nana-nana-boo-boo to him.
You answered your own stupid question- never. Same answer for questions like, "When will you get laid," "When will you be promoted from drive-thru," etc.
On positive note, with Game Day being in EL the MSU thuggery should get ample national coverage on Saturday morning. Even if he just gets one series, the game day crew will be forced to talk about it.
Maybe no video games for a weekend?
I see the press conference playing out something like this:
REPORTER: Coach Dantonio, a moment ago you told us that you ordered Coach Narduzzi to tell his men, to tell William Gholston, that you have a zero tolerance policy and Denard wasn't to be touched after the whistle.
DANTONIO: That's right.
REPORTER: And Coach Narduzzi was clear on what you wanted?
REPORTER: And when Coach Narduzzi spoke to the defense, any chance they ignored him?
DANTONIO: No. We follow orders son. We follow orders or people get Denarded.
REPORTER: Then why did Denard end up with his head facing backwards? DID YOU ORDER THE FACEMASK?!?!!
Well played by you sir !!
are so weak-minded. Complaining bc MSU played dirty. Shut up and expect more intensity from your team the next time they touch the field.
MSU is dirty, and we do expect more intensity...they are not mutually inclusive concepts you troglodyte.
Then keep bitching about MSU.
Who came on this board to talk about MSU again?
drive blocking someone out of a play, hard hits, hustle, ball-hawking...those are examples of intensity. Punching and ripping at face masks, slamming people down 3 seconds after it became illegal to hit...those aren't examples of intensity. Those are what Pat Narduzzi calls in his own words: 60 mins of unneccesary roughness.
So enamored with msu. That game is over. Im worried about my team being the best and working towards that goal. Not referencing pat narduzzi.
No one in the world (literally) is enamored with MSU. Trust.
How, by negating your patently false statement? Hey, I'll call you a retard, you deny it, and then I'll say you proved my point....
call me whatever you want.
Don't lecture on maturity. Save it for your football players, they could use the lesson.
You talkin' bout michigan? Oh, wait. You dont agree with what im sayin so I must be a spartan or buckeye right? I guess that makes me a troll because I see michigan differently than you do.
If you're a Michigan fan, I hope you get attacked by a Grizzly bear.
How, by negating your patently false statement? Hey, I'll call you a retard, you deny it, and then I'll say you proved my point....
Also, I slept with your wife.
I am not enamored with MSU. I am enamored with people who attempted to injure the players on "my team." It makes me mad because...Get this...I am enamored with MICHIGAN and don't like seeing people TAKE CHEAP SHOTS AT THE PLAYERS ON THE TEAM I LOVE, READ ABOUT, WATCH ON TV, AND PAY GOOD MONEY TO.
Go back and read through all my posts. I don't randomly talk about Michigan State. Believe it or not, though, sometimes the topic of Michigan State comes up considering, oh, i dunno...WE JUST PLAYED THEM.
Also, go back and look back..It's pretty difficult to say things that set me off on a message board. You succeeded. Therefore, I don't even care if I get negged for this, but you can go ahead and piss off, because I care about things that happen to Michigan players.
Obviously someone hasn't read this thread...
You think playing dirty and tough are one and the same. Playing with intensity and toughness is something all teams should strive for. Your team did play with that and deserved to win. The thuggery and intent to do serious bodily harm is a sign of weakness and lack of discipline to control oneself. Get a clue.
When you spend most of the day in opponents territory and only score 14 points.
is talking about winning or losing. They are talking about acts of violence.
And expect this team to not let it happen again, by punishing their opponent.
"honey I can't go to bed im trying to convince a bunch of Michigan fans that they're weak minded "
that begged to keep RR. yea, what am i thinking?
How is the view from up there inside your own asshole?
i'm talkin about michigan football, and you're worried about my anus?
How do you get to the point where you can assume this guy could get a wife? Mail-order? Inflatable?
You'd probably cheer for Rae Carruth if he played for MSU
so funny, you are.
MSU fan logic: your team lost the game, therefore your argument is invalid.
you're an MSU fan? who knew.
though I was beginning to imagine Dantonio stepping to the podium and stating how "he just hopes William Gholston doesn't suspend him" , afterwards declaring him a tragic hero and model citizen.
Against Wisky so the ass kicking Sparty is about to get is without excuses. And I hope we mistkenly chop block him next year and take out his knees. Those things can happen. Football is a rough game.
On a related note my GF (now my wife) went to Madison during our Junior year at Michigan and brought me back a Wisconsin sweatshrit which I have never even put on. It sat it my closet for alsmost 20 years and I must have considered throwing it out at least 10 times....but never did and it now for one week it has a purpose.
way to take the high ground by wishing an injury on a misguided kid.
How is this trolling?
vernon stopped being effective when he went to the league and couldn't peds ....maybe lil cousin will come to a haulting stop also
I suspect MSU is now scrambling to mitigate the looming pr disaster of having a national audience be shown replays of MSU's plays on gameday. One way of doing that is to at least make the pretense of taking the issue seriously and getting ahead of the story as much as possible by announcing a one game suspension in serious tones with a stern look and lots of mumbo jumbo about how disappointed the coaches are in one player in an isolated incident, a good young man caught up in the heat of the moment, and look MSU players are really all boyscouts who help little old ladies across the street and are really humble and respectful and blah, blah, blah. I'm sure they burning the midnight oil in an attempt to get the spin just right. I just hope there's some reporters with balls to question him about it and his dc's attitude and comments.
Dantonio will announce that he is suspending Gholston from the Michigan game in the 2011 season for his actions against Michigan in the 2011 game.
Honest question: What would make you folks happy? Gholston suspended for one game? Two games? A season? I'd like to know because some of the posts in this thread are borderline insane.
For the record, I think he should be suspended a game or two and I expect that to happen.
be forced to line up against Wisconsin's offensive lineman this Saturday and THEN serve a suspension once he's done getting driven into the ground time and time again by Wisconsin's massive line.
One for the facemask, which is most egregious and another for the punch, which was less.
Here is what I think, you will obviously disagree, but my honest opinion:
1. Gholston should be disqualified for the season because his actions were over the top. I know this will not happen, but he had at least THREE plays with obvious intent to injure. I don't think you should give out a 1 game penalty per play at that point. There needs to be a clear message sent that that will not be tolerated. I would be fine with no less than 2, but I think three would be reasonable.
2. Rush should get a 1 game suspension for his play. Blatanrtly late.
3. Worthy should get an angry letter from Dantonio criticizing the lack creases on his khaki pants. I thought his play was rather nasty, but not as bad as Rush's.
Obviously I am biased, but even my OSU fan roommates agreed with me. There is no room for thuggery like Gholston displayed in college athletics, and sorry but your coach's statements after the game did your team's image no favors. There is tough talk and stupid talk. Guess which that was.
Gholston - One game suspension, now.
Rush - One game suspension, now.
Both suspensions are practically no-brainers. Thoroughly consistent with past Conference suspensions. Both players had been flagged on the spot for personal fouls. Rush's foul reuslted in injury to an opponent. The television commentators (Urban Meyer and Chris Spielman) were appalled. I expect the Head of Officiating will be too.
And good luck defending Russell Wilson on rollouts wihout those two defenders on Saturday.
He should be suspended for one game, and forced to wear a jersey with "Tom" emblazoned on the back for the rest of his career at MSU. The only reason I don't recommend a lengthier suspension is that I know once he matriculates through your program, he'll no doubt shoot himself in the thigh or smoke up his NFL signing bonus or do something else to completely throw away his life...I will await that satisfaction, which I have no doubt is coming. Unfortunately, in your program, the more talented you are, the less you seem prepared for real life when you leave it. Your coach is a Tressel disciple in every sense, i.e., he exploits football talent, he doesn't prepare young men for the rigors of adulthood. Dantonio, like Tressel, is nothing more than a pimp, and he tries to hide that fact behind this fake facade of moral and religious pomposity which everyone outside of East Lansing and Columbus, respectively, can clearly identify for what it is: a mask. An act. A lie. I have no doubt a Tat-5 like scandal is coming your way in the immediate future, and I will twiddle my fingers like Mr. Burns awaiting that day. Your players come in as teenagers, and leave as boys; OSU and MSU are literally the only programs where your best seem to continually regress as people the longer they are exposed to the respective cultures therein. Glen Winston, BJ Cunningham, Max Bullough, Brian Linthecum, Tom Gholston, etc.- if they can help your head coach Iceburg Slim get another W, they don't get a slap on the wrist, they get a high five (literally). Other schools have examples of such, but at yours it seems to be the standard. And allow me to be clear- I think Tom Gholston will go down as the best player on your current roster. He will also thoroughly embarass your university at some point and provide plenty of laugh fodder for all of us. That's not sour grapes, that's just a careful reading of history. You got yourself a heck of a player there, Brownie...
...is an instigation penalty on Narduzzi. Seven days in the box: no pay, no football-related activities.
Also two games for Gholston and one for Rush. If there wasn't a precedent mandating a suspension for the punch I'd be ok with letting it slide and giving Gholston one, but there is.
Gholston's actions were on-par with Corey Tropp's slash to Steve Kampfer's neck when he was motionless on the ice at the end of a game. Possibly worse, given that Gholston had multiple occurrences of intent-to-injure against Michigan players. Corey Tropp was kicked off the MSU team for his actions, with the chance to return under good behavior; however, that MSU team had nothing else to play for, since their team was awful and it was near the end of the season. That means that Gholston should be done for the season AT LEAST.
I would also understand if the Big Ten wanted to set an example that repeatedly showing an intent to seriously injure will not be tolerated, and force William Gholston to transfer out of the conference or never play college football again.
I think it should be 2. One for the punch and one for the twist. I also think he should be warned that any other incident that embarrases the school will mean the season. It really was an ugly, ugly showing for him and is embarrasing for the school.
*If it were actually possible to embarrass that wretched hive of scum and villainy.
According to the transcript, Hoke said the team has submitted "several plays" for review by the league. So we can only assume that Hoke, whole avoiding a verbal flame-war, took issue with State's behavior.
Hoke also said "we always submit some film". Maybe the Big Ten offices are numb to this. I hope not.
Apparently, at MSU, they recognize multiple personalities in penalty situations.... Hence we will see Gholston playing the Badgers, getting trucked all day by 330 pound linemen who have no mercy.
I'll believe a suspension when I see one.
there has figured it out, prevailed on Dantonio to do this. Going around all blackshirt and Mussolini and ANNOUNCING that you're gonna be New Thug U is not a good long-term stratergery.
I wish they HAD dragged their feet, and got him to play this weekend, then had the Big Ten come down next week. Because they're getting curb stomped by the Badgers regardless. Losing some players might be the difference in a tight game vs. Nebraska, that I can see MSU winning. (Or losing. But it's not automatic).
Gholston - 3 games - one for each egregious foul
Rush - 1 game for after play body slam
That sounds great! But it's not an outcome that I'd predict, and I won't be terribly upset if it is less than that.
I'll be upset if Rush isn't suspended; and there is no way in the world -- NONE -- that Gholston escapes supension. The only question is how many games, and how it goes down.
My guess is that right now, Dantonio is going into Defcon-9 damage control mode. Hold down the number of games that Gholston is suspended; delay any effect away from major-opponent games; limit the damage to Gholston alone.
And isn't it great how our local press is covering this?
Not one mention of the details in the Sunday paper. Almost nothing in Monday's paper. Close to zero in today's paper, including virtually nothing questioning Rush.
I agree with a probable Gholston suspension. Since you are an avid supporter of suspending those who tried to injure players, would you support sitting Roundtree for a game because of this takedown by the facemask and kick to the face of Johnny Adams away from the play and continuing well after it was over?
I'm not saying they are on the same level of what Gholston did....just wanted to get your (and others') thoughts.
The facemask takedown is unacceptable, but it looks more like he's losing his balance than actively kicking here IMO.
I'm not impressed. If the ref saw it, throw the flag.
Likewise, I'm not impressed by Gholston's punch at a guy with a helmet on. That was a heat of battle thing. Throw the flag and move on (they did).
What deserves special attention is the bounty hunting premeditated quadrapalegic assault on a player that was already down and vulnerable. That is where the suspension should be targeted, and not just a minor one.
I'm really not interested in trying to find any better understanding or common ground and harmony with you guys. I just want to see Gholston and Rush suspended for your next couple of big games.
I don't care about reforming Gholston or teaching him a lesson. I don't want to help him become a better player or a better person. I just want him to be suspended.
There's good basis to suspend them both, based on nothing more than the stated policies and past video of past infractions that resulted in suspensions. All that the Conference has to do is to uphold precedent.
(Though I do love how after all the "but did you see what Lewan did FIRST" comments that the video was edited to only show the end of the play).
No suspension. Facemask doesn't mean suspension....after you've already committed a penalty by coming in late, and twisting a helmet around not even making a football play on a down guy...that's a suspension. As is a punch, which isn't that horrible, it's just automatic.
As for "kicking him in the face" that's just laughable. He grabs onto his foot, and yanks it away from him, and brushes his helmet in the process. If he wants to learn how to really try and kick someone, he should take lessons from MSU's players, because he's doing it wrong.
Please, someone refresh my memory. Glen Winston and his "three strikes" keep coming up. But what was the third one? Two of them were the hockey face punch-in and the orchestration of dormhate. What was the third?
My thoughts, he gets two dings for Rather Hall. As an MSU fan, that was the most disgusting event in our history. Dantonio gave the guy a chance, and he repaid with an incident that will take untold years from which to recover. The harshness of reaction to this past football were, in part, because of that incident. Being a head coach of 100 guys has to be one of the toughest jobs in college football--you walk a fine line between trying to do what's right for the program and the athletes. NO institution is perfect is this regard. I do find it extremely sad that the mistakes of youth are used by all sides to score points and make jokes.
Glen Wilson hurt MSU more than 20 loses to UM. This is not an exaggeration.
While reading some of the "reasoning" behind your statements has made my blood boil a little, I just wanted to say how classy I thought your team and coach were. They took the high road, and as an MSU fan I appreciate it. I'm sorry these incidents have occured, and I think at least Gholston's suspension will be deserved. Not only did he hurt his team, he could have injured one of your team members as well. MSU people have a great deal of respect for D.Robinson. He seems like an excellent example of what colleges need to showcase, and I would find no joy in seeing him injured.
One last thing, if MSU wins Saturday, I will find even greater joy in the victory knowing how much it will crush some of you. I hope you don't see this as trolling, but a good-natured ding at a rival. This is the way rivals should treat each other--in jest, not in unecessary violence.
I'm sorry these incidents have occured, and I think at least Gholston's suspension will be deserved. Not only did he hurt his team, he could have injured one of your team members as well. MSU people have a great deal of respect for D.Robinson. He seems like an excellent example of what colleges need to showcase, and I would find no joy in seeing him injured.
Now; Jim Delany, DO YOUR JOB. SUSPEND GHOLSTON. SUSPEND MARCUS RUSH.
... between your attempt at a calm and composed apology, and the actions of Gholston and Rush, and the unapologetic statements of Danotnio and Narduzzi.
You have every right to apologize if you want; it doesn't bother me. But I'm much more interested in punishing your roster for the next two games, than in hearing members of the MSU fan base try to convince anybody that the program is one of classiness and substance. I just want a couple of losses hung on you; that's all. I'm not asking for your apologies. I'm asking for the Commissioner to suspend your players.
You're talking about the man who lobbied FOR the osu players to play in their bowl game last year after everything came out....
will announce that all punishment is being handled internally.
I don't remember Carr ever dealing with on-field issues behind closed doors. But maybe I'm wrong. Can you point to any?