MSU -11 vs PSU Vegas knows Cook is playing?

Wasn't MSU a 10 or 12 point dog last week?  And didn't Staee lose to Nebraska a few weeks ago?  Stranger things have happened this year, Sparty could lose this game.  Not that I'm banking or even betting on it.

The bettors move the line. If it opened at -1.5, there was a flood of action on Sparty, moving the line. 

Line was never -1.5, that was one off shore site that wasn't taking bets. -11 or -11.5 is what Vegas has shown. And that's with Cook up in the air, if he was playing for sure it would be -15 or more. PSU has about a 15% chance of winning.

Penn State is not good.  The only hope PSU wins is if MSU does that thing where they play to their opponents' level and get bitten by it.  Given MSU's charmed existence this year with the +11 T/O margin and victories in their two biggest games when they didn't lead until the clock hit 0, I'm not counting on it.

That spread is more like it; makes more sense.

Fuck that stupid "school" and that town and the colors green and white.  Fuck them.  And fuck that stupid play. This season was absolute bullshit

I'd give State 9 if Cook plays and 2.5 if he doesn't. Either way, they should be favored. PSU's offensive line is going to get destroyed by Sparty's DL.

Point spread has very little to do with how much Vegas thinks a team will win by. It is ALL about maximizing profits by evening the bets on both teams. if the same amount is bet on both teams then Vegas wins...if it is far more on one side then the chance is there for Vegas to lose...Vegas doesn't like losing!

The look in Hackenberg's eyes tells me that he is done with college. He's been sacked too many times. At the end of the Michigan game, he couldn't wait to get off the field rather than go for it on 4th down.

His spirit is broken. I just don't see him beating MSU.

But I'll be rooting for him nonetheless! 

so if this has been discussed before, please pass on by. But in the end isn't the non-targeting call on Zettel now a good thing?/hangsupandlistens

let's just worry about ours

My mind is on Ohio State. Not the JV game in Lansing.

Probably because Penn State is just ok and not all that good.

Even if he plays he's coming off an injury that had him sidelined for a critical game just 72 hours ago. He wont be 100%

This could have more to do with a psu injury (ie, hackenberg not playing after hobbling off the field at the end of our game) than with cook starting.

...that Hackenberg finished his previous game concussed?

MSU's defensive line will pummel PSU, especially after Michigan beat them up last week. Surely PSU is still feeling the pain... Can't remember which team it was that said, "when you play Michigan you feel it for a week".

No, Vegas knows Franklin is coaching.

Just get our tenth win and keep moving forward. Next year we will be in control of situations and make the playoff. Enjoy what you see Saturday , you probably deserve it.

In the offshore world it's BetCris/Bookmaker and Pinnacle. In Las Vegas it's the Westgate (formely known as the LV Hilton) or Cantor Gaming/CG Technologies. 

There are numerous people (myself included) who wait around for these TRUE OPENERS to first come out as the markets are at their softest during this time. When betting the openers it's your opinion going one on one against guy/group who sets the opening number and that makes it's easier to beat as there's more 'mistakes' in the openers compared to at any other time during the week.

What a few small recreational sportsbooks like a youwager (the book who opened MSU -1) or another one is called sportsook or sportsbetting will do is post their opening numbers (especially in football) before anyone else but they do so at micro-limits ($100-200 tops). Also keep in mind these small places are sportsbooks that very few people even have accounts at also due to their small limits at all times and they will also kick out winning players too. The goal for these smaller places is to get online sites/newspapers to mention them (which happens all the time). It creates a ton of free publicity for these places and probably some legitimacy also I suppose for their company to be mentioned in a newspaper that people trust.

Eventually a few hours later one of the offshore books (usually BetCris/Bookmaker or Pinnacle) will open up the true opening line with high limits (at least $2,000 minimum). All the other bigger books will then usually wait an hour or two to let the opening number SETTLE IN before they decide to enter the market to limit their risk/exposure. Within a a few hours (or by the next morning at the latest) the limits will rise at a few places and all books are usually now open and will be within a half point or so of each other. The limits then continue to rise throughout the week at all places the closer we get to game time.

The point is a place like youwager has NOTHING to do with the real opening number. Also of note, when it comes to the sports betting world, the top offshore sites (Bookmaker/Betcris and Pinnacle) are the places who mainly control the betting markets and all the other places including the Las Vegas books follow their lead. Those offshore sites do WAY more business than Las Vegas and take MUCH LARGER bets than LV as well. 

Hope this helps clear this up for some. Happy Thankgiving to all and GO BLUE!!!

But if this line goes to -15 I'd consider it.