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Moving into the bargaining phase - our history against other B1G opponents

Like a lot of people, I don't have a big problem with Maryland or Rutgers per se; I just dislike having 14 teams because that means having two more league opponents that we won't play in any given year (unless we expand the conference schedule, which I'd really like to see).  But I was thinking about this when I saw what our all-time record against Iowa was (41-13-4) - a school with whom we have shared a conference for a century.  It turns out that the custom of playing everyone, or just about everyone, in the conference is actually not that old.  Here are our all-time series against B1G opponents:

Ohio: 58-44-6 (108 meetings)

MSU: 68-32-5 (105 meetings)

Minnesota: 72-24-3 (99 meetings)

Illinois: 69-23-2 (94 meetings)

Northwestern: 53-15-2 (71 meetings)

Wisconsin: 49-14-1 (64 meetings)

Indiana: 52-9 (61 meetings)

Purdue: 44-14 (58 meetings)

Iowa: 41-13-4 (58 meetings)

PSU: 10-6 (16 meetings)

Nebraska: 4-3-1 (eight meetings)

So it seems that historically, there have only been four teams we've played on a truly annual basis: Ohio, MSU, Minnesota and Illinois (I guess that's why they consider us a rival).  That makes sense when you consider that for a long time, the football season was only eight or nine games long, and not all of those were league games.   Most of our games against schools like Wisconsin, Indiana and Purdue must have occurred in the last 30 years or so, when we started playing near-round robin schedules.  Before then it was almost like they weren't in our conference.  This is the direction in which we are going now.  Is it ideal?  No, but we have been there before.

 

 


 

 

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November 20th, 2012 at 3:35 PM | I wanna see proof on those 9 (Score:5 Normal)
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I wanna see proof on those 9 losses to Indiana.

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November 20th, 2012 at 4:14 PM | I know you're kidding, but here is some information anyway. (Score:2)
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Here you go: http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/opp-opp.pl?start=1869&end=2011&team1=Michigan&team2=Indiana

Apparently we lost to them in 1928, 1936, 1944, 1945, 1954, 1958, 1959, 1967, and 1987.

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November 20th, 2012 at 5:28 PM | I was in 2nd grade for our (Score:3 Normal)
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I was in 2nd grade for our last loss to Indiana.  Surprisingly, that was not an upset.  They were ranked 15th and we were 20th.  We still would have won but IU blocked a punt for a TD in the 4th quarter to pull out a 14-10 win. 

I won't embed highlights of that one for obvious reasons.  So instead, I'll show that IU squad beating up on OSU in Columbus...

 

Go Blue!  Always!

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November 20th, 2012 at 3:38 PM | You forgot the wild and wooly (Score:1 Normal)
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You forgot the wild and wooly University of Chicago. They used to beat that ass.

or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.

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November 20th, 2012 at 10:05 PM | My great-uncle was the (Score:2)
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My great-uncle was the captain of the basketball team at U of C back in his day, which is hard to imagine because I think he was all of 5'10". 

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November 20th, 2012 at 3:38 PM | Wow, you don't say. (Score:1 Normal)
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Wow, you don't say.

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November 20th, 2012 at 3:55 PM | Come on, I expect more (Score:3 Normal)
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Come on, I expect more inspired snarkiness from you.  Bring me your A game.

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November 20th, 2012 at 4:04 PM | You just regurgitated our all (Score:5 Normal)
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You just regurgitated our all time record against teams when you could have brought up some interesting points in this post.

For example, MSU joined the big ten in 1953, so we've played them a heck of a lot outside of the big ten. This isn't terribly relevant to adding teams, but it is a start.

Or maybe you could have mentioned Wisconsin, Purdue, Northwestern, Illinois, and Minnesota were all founding big ten members along with us (and U of Chicago). We have been playing Wisconsin, Indiana and Purdue for a long long time now.

A little bit of analysis and you could make the statement that the issue of un-even schedules within the big ten is not a 2012 issue. It has been going on since the start of the league.

 

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November 20th, 2012 at 4:48 PM | You're so awesome (Score:3 Normal)
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Can't wait to read your revised, new and improved thread on this.

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November 20th, 2012 at 6:22 PM | I would say that's more (Score:2)
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I would say that's more constructive than snarky.  But those are good points.

The inclusion of our record against those teams admittedly wasn't super-relevant, but I'll take any excuse we have to brag about how we have a winning record against every Big Ten opponent. 

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November 20th, 2012 at 7:27 PM | I'm not snarky all the time, (Score:1 Flamebait)
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I'm not snarky all the time, just most of the time.

Are you a park ranger at Yellowstone? Say hi to Yogi Bear for me. - the_big_house 500th

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November 20th, 2012 at 4:17 PM | wait (Score:2)
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Do we still count those losses to Penn State now that they've had to vacate some of them?

Brady...Hoooooooke!

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November 20th, 2012 at 4:22 PM | Big Ten By Decade... (Score:5 Normal)
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To provide some granularity to how scheduling has gone over time, here is the number of times we've played each team (including our newest members) by decade - it is interesting to see the distribution change with scheduling sensibilities through the years. The thumbnail to the chart is below:

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November 20th, 2012 at 4:24 PM | posbang this man! (Score:0 Redundant)
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posbang this man!

Are you a park ranger at Yellowstone? Say hi to Yogi Bear for me. - the_big_house 500th

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November 20th, 2012 at 6:50 PM | That chart reminds me that my (Score:2 Normal)
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That chart reminds me that my first game ever in the Big House was in 1990 against Maryland.

~short story bro

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