Should Nik, Glenn and Mitch be selected in the first round, will that make UM 2013 team one of the most talented college teams ever? I cannot think of a recent college team that had 5 first round NBA players who started at the same time.
I was thinking the same thing recently... makes that Louisville loss so fucking painful
Seriously. When I hear the name Luke now it often makes me cringe by bringing to mind Hancock's surprising heroics in the second half which basically offset Spike's surprising heroics in the first half.
If you want to feel even worse, know that we almost got Luke Hancock - and kept him from Louisville - when he transferred from George Mason.
Then again, that run was awesome and this is the kind of sports pain that I welcome.
One of my best friends since 3rd grade and a groomsmen at my wedding is named Luke Hancock...
Really? I mean yeah I would have liked to win the national title but we needed a miracle to get there and lost to the one team that looked like the best team in the tournament.
Think how you would be feeling if Michigan lost to Kansas (and we still got to the Elite 8 this year). Rather than "John Beilein is the best coach in college basketball" it would be something like "Michigan is back to being respectable in basketball thanks to Beilein." Much less exciting.
Yeah, really. Sorry, but I just can't relate with someone so content with being 2nd place. Let me guess, you've been a NARP your whole life?
Kentucky did it in 2012, including the first two picks.
Edit: Nevermind. I thought it was 3 in a single year. Not all five.
Haven't UK and UNC had a bunch of guys go in the first round recently? Maybe Florida too...
Not all starting 5 in the first round
First Round Picks:
Rodrick Rhodes (transferred)
Tark's team was stacked. Additionally, Dukie has many star laden teams (GHill, Laetner, & Hurley) as does UNC. But I hate both those teams for beating Fab 5 & pre-89, respectively.
Well, technically, "pre-89" should come before Fab 5, that is, if you're going to use the term "respectively" correctly.
I think it's a mail plane....
2012 NBA Draft...just 2 years ago.
|1||1||Anthony Davis+||PF/C||United States||New Orleans Hornets||Kentucky (Fr.)|
|1||2||Michael Kidd-Gilchrist||SF||United States||Charlotte Bobcats||Kentucky (Fr.)|
|1||29||Marquis Teague||PG||United States||Chicago Bulls||Kentucky (Fr.)|
|1||18||Terrence Jones||PF||United States||Houston Rockets (from Utah via Minnesota)[e]||Kentucky (So.)|
|2||42||Doron Lamb||SG||United States||Milwaukee Bucks||Kentucky (So.)|
Yup...that is pretty good.
You responded too quick, before I could edit.
I wanted to add UNC in 2012 as well.
|1||14||John Henson||PF||United States||Milwaukee Bucks (from Houston)[c]||North Carolina (Jr.)|
|1||7||Harrison Barnes||SF||United States||Golden State Warriors||North Carolina (So.)|
|1||13||Kendall Marshall||PG||United States||Phoenix Suns||North Carolina (So.)|
|1||17||Tyler Zeller||C||United States||Dallas Mavericks (traded to Cleveland)[A]||North Carolina (Sr.)|
I understand that it's the entire starting 5...but I'm sure those teams had another guy go in the first round...maybe not.
Lamp was in the 2nd round
I love lamp.
There have been similar Kentucky teams of recent years and certainly some seriously star powered programs in the 80's and 90's prior to kids jumping to the pros. Recently the 2009 UNC team that won the national championship saw these guys go pro:
Ty Lawson - First Round
Wayne Ellington - First Round
Tyler Hansbrough - First Round
Tyler Zeller - First Round
Ed Davis - First Round
Danny Green - 2nd Round
...and those National Championship Florida Gator teams with Noah and Brewer. Not sure if they had all 5 go in the first. But that UNC team was stupid good.
UNC also had a great team lead by May and Felton.
And I'm getting my teams mixed up, but one of those had Marvin Williams as a 6th man and he was like a top 5 pick.
Taurean Green from Florida went undrafted iirc.
Second round to Portland.
Damn. Apparently idrc. I'll upvote you one day when I actually go on the site. Maybe I was thinking of their sharpshooting 2-guard whose name escapes me who was similar to J.J. Redick or Kyle Korver if you know what I'm saying. High IQ. Lots if grit.
Zeller was selected in 2012, while Hansbrough in 2009. I think Zeller did not play much in 2009.
Perhaps I shuold amend my statement that they should be drafted within two years.
Zeller was getting equivalent minutes to McGary as a freshman before breaking his wrist. He returned in the ACC tournament and played a role in them winning the title.
Most talented basketball team ever?
Chuck Daly sets them apart.
I am still mad about that.
At Michigan? Maybe. All of college bball? No way.
You really should've picked a better title...because you're trying to ask if anyone else has had a starting line up of first round draft picks and you're asking if last years team was the most talented ever...no. Even if the entire team does go in the first round, no.
One could argue that FAB 5 and the National Champ team were more talented.
The National Championship team had 4 first round picks and a 2nd. The Fab 5 had 3 first rounds picks and a second. It should be noted that more foreign players are getting drafted nowadays, making the accomplishment of the recent team more impressive.
It could tie the number of first rounders in one draft by Michigan, but I doubt it will.
The most players taken in the modern, 2-round NBA draft was in 1990.
Los Angeles Clippers
San Antonio Spurs
in the previous draft makes the 1989 team a more talented group in my eyes.
Most talented Michigan team ever? Arguably, yes. If not, they'd be second to only the Fab Five.
Most talented ever? Not at all. I'm no college basketball guru, but I feel like you only have to look at some of Kentucky's, Duke's, and UNC's greatest ever teams and those teams undoubtedly eclipse ours by leaps and bounds.
I'd take the National Championship team over the Fab 5. No one on the Fab 5 could shoot it like Glen Rice. The '89 team had big bodies inside (Mills and Vaught) that could handle* Webber and Howard. The champs also had a bona fide point guard in Rumeal. The Fab 5 had Jalen, who was a great player, but I don't consider him a prototypical PG and when the Fab 5 bogged down on offense, I think it was because other than Talley, they didn't have a true point.
Vaught v. Webber? Webber gets the edge. Vaught was a 13th overall selection and had a long NBA career (Mr. Clipper), so the edge isn't as big as some might think.
Mills v. Howard? I love Juwan Howard, but this is pretty even. Mills was an incredible post player when motivated.
Rice v. Rose? Glen Rice, no doubt about it. Tournament scoring record, etc.
Higgins v. Ray Jackson? Higgins. He was the #1 overall recruit or thereabouts. He was drafted, Ray was not.
Rumeal v. King? Rumeal was the 10th overall pick while King was a 2nd rounder. Plus, Rumeal was a PG.
So I give it 3-1-1 to the 89 team.
If you want to add the benches, Hughes, Griffin and Calip were pretty productive for the 89 team. I guess I'd give the edge to the Fab 5's bench because of Talley, Voskuil, Riley and Pelinka having more starting experience, and Riley's height gives him an edge over Hughes.
EDIT: by 'handle' I don't mean shut down, just that they could match up with them and not get destroyed.
Weber > Vaught, not even close. No disrespect to Loy
TEAM > player?
But lots of disrespect to Chris and his family name!
plays stellar defense and were unselfish team who always share the ball. Yes, they're not a good shooting team and turn the ball over a ton, but they make up for it with their athleticism and unselfish plays.
No disrespect to him, but how many years did he have in the league vs. Howard?
11 to 19
Or the 1989 team.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves with this "Best team ever" thing.
Plus, the entire premise is false. You can't pick players from 2013 and players from 2014 and call it a team. Yes, some of those players played both years. But not all. And roles were different. You have to look at those teams individually. Or you simply discuss who had the best 5 players within a 5 year span, which is a totally different concept.
That team was just fun to watch.
That 1990-91 team in particular - as I recall - had four players go in the 1991 NBA Draft - three in the first and one in the second, if memory serves. I want to say George Ackles went in the second round, but relatively early. The first round picks would have been Greg Anthoy, Larry Johnson and Stacy Augmon then. Elmore Spencer was on that team but went in the 1992 draft, I think.
who was not drafted, but nonetheless won the 1990 Final Four MVP award.
Hunt played high school ball in Detroit.
Michael Jordan, Sam Perkins, James Worthy, Brad Daughrty not a bad lineup and the 1960s UCLA teams were OK 38 game NCAA Tourny winning streak. 10 national championship in 12 years. I bet there were some good teams before that aswell. I know it might seem like the game started in 2000 but there was NCAA basketball before that.
Omg. Jordan wasn't even the best player on that team when he was on it. worthy and Perkins were monsters.
Going to be 6 after this year. Caris is a projected top 15 pick.
This got me thinking how fun it was watch last year's team grow up in such a hurry.
Also, I was thinking if Michigan will ever have 3 upper classmen start again?
Also, the 85-86 Big Ten Champions had 7 guys drafted. Frieder had some really talented teams. They just didn't finish.
Curtis Rowe, Sidney Wicks, Lucius Allen, Lynn Shackleford - oh and possibly the most dominant player in college hoops history, the guy who got the dunk banned.
from that link:
Alcindor had considered transferring to the University of Michigan, because of unfulfilled promises from recruiting.
Not all the same draft, of course.
That's six top-20 picks on one team. plus Shackelford who didn't go until pick 91. Ken Heitz and Bill Sweek were on the team and were drafted ahead of him.
This team has been pretty talented, but look at some of those Kentcuky teams under Pitino if you want to see an NBA factory.
Um, Mitch played good in like, 7 games.. Just keepin it real.
Just keeping it real here too.
Played great. Just keeping it the most real. *I had to resist the urge to use the term "realist" there for obvious reasons.*
9 guys played pro.
that team was probably the most talented team we gave ever had. Burke and Hardaway Jr went in the first round last year. IF all 3 of them go in the first this year, that puts all 5 starters from the National Runner-Up going in the first round. Say Caris goes on the first next year, and that's 6 players that were drafted in the first round off 1 team.
UK next year will be it.
It was a super talented team to be sure.
Burke and Hardaway were both 1st round picks.
Stauskas and GRIII will both be 1st round picks. McGary has an outside shot at a late 1st, but will certainly get drafted.
Caris is already being projected as a top 20 pick for next year.
There was a lot of talent on that team.
It's certainly right up there as one of the 5 most talented Michigan squads ever.
But this raises the question of how we define "talented." Are we talking about how they were at the time or their eventual future? A year ago, Caris was an extremely raw freshman and Nik was more of a designated stand-in-the-corner guy. They both dramatically improved their games over the past 12 months. During 2012-13 itself, they were not playing at a 1st-round NBA level.
Marques Johnson (#3 in '77) was a freshman and didn't play. That was the second year freshmen were eligible to play varsity basketball but Wooden didn't like the rule and didn't let his freshmen suit up. Not that he needed them.
So that's four top-three picks in one school at one time, and five in the top eleven. And two future hall-of-famers in the same graduating class.
Two future HOFers playing together in college as seniors.
That's unthinkable now. They'd be third-year NBA players, probably all-stars, Walton might even have been an MVP candidate.
They were knocked out of the tournament by David Thompson, still in college as a junior.
College basketball was awesome in the 70s. You young guys don't know what you missed.
The last (and possibly only) Michigan team to have all 5 starters drafted in the first round is actually 1987-88 - Grant, Rice, Mills, Vaught and Robinson.
During a seven season span from 1697-1973, UCLA lost five games total and won seven straight championships. Wooden may have gotten a huge assist from bagman extraordinaire Sam Gilbert all of those years, but I am going to give those rosters the nod as the most talented ever, especially when they had Kareem or Walton.
what about UNC when they had Felton, Marvin Williams, McCants, Sean May and I can't think of their other starter.
Duke in the boozer, williams, dunleavy years.
Kentucky runs 8 NBA players plus every year
Michael Jordan, James Worthy, Sam Perkins.
Did Pitino put a lot of players in the NBA at UK? Other then Mashburn how guys went on to do much in the NBA?
I know this will send me to Bolivia, but one of my favorite rosters of the 2000's was the 2001 Duke championship team...
Or the next year when they lost Battier, but picked up Dhantay Jones and Daniel Ewing.
I thought this was going to be about the possibility of Carmelo Anthony playing in Miami next season.